Watch the whole thing first. So I thought about this deep and hard and I believed a lot of what she said is true but not ALL girls only care about "money and looks" like she says. I would say like 50/50 or something (not sure not a lot of experience) and honestly the airhead hot girl she keeps describing is probably not someone you should be interested in anyways.
I hope Im not rationalizing this because Im not the best looking in my opinion.
I tried to take most of what she said in the vid as fact and see if there was still hope for me and heres what I concluded:
What she's describing is of losers who keep chasing shallow hot girls who have expressed disinterest for a long time. Therefore you can still get a hot girl if you are average looking. just aim for the hot girl whos not shallow and shares your interests. And dont do all the loser things she said they do.

The part at the beginning with the equal stuff pissed me off at first but I reasoned later that you can be equal in different ways. Game can make up for looks.

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best way I can put this, is generally most girls are more focused on the big picture, rather then the specific details, more so then they even realize, and generally more so then men

the same can be said about guys, there is more that attracts/repels you from a girl then simply looks, more so then what guys realize, but in my opinion, not to the same degree as women

what girls/guys value in a sexual partner, varies from culture to culture depending on social conditioning, and it tends to be those that have something rare to offer that are deemed high status, what exactly is rich?, what exactly is good looking?, what exactly defines having a high social status?, what qualities will make one comparatively higher in status to another in the first place? completely subjective from culture to culture, and from person to person

there are tribes in the amazon, where being fat is considered physically attractive because it is not the norm and socially that person would be precieved to have more access to valuable resources (food), if you have 100k usd in some countries you are extremely rich, the guy handing out unicef food rations to the starving might be of extremely high social status in one country, while an actor/singer who is watched by millions might be considered of high social status in another country, it varies accross the world and is subjective, different places in the world, condition people socially to value different things, and different people adopt their own personal values

yes some girls are shallow, and yes some girls are not shallow

looks matter especially in the west where there is such an epidemic of unhealthy people, it gives people more status that are healthy looking since indicators of good health in the west, makes people stand out, but lets put it this way

as long as a girl can see past your looks, you can potentially sleep with her, you don't have to be a model or anything, or the most ripped guy in a crowd of 200 and usually guys will be getting shut down for reasons beyond their looks, but since they are so one sided, shallow and focused on a girl's looks and care little about other factors, they tend to generalize and believe that women are the exact same and start getting insecure about the way they look, when they aren't even getting rejected because of their looks to begin with, and often stop trying to meet women as a result of their insecurities (the whole putting girls on a pedastool and believing you are not good enough for all women), women tend to be more picky then men, after all they have to risk getting pregnant so the choice is more highly weighed, there is often a whole mariat of reasons for why you can get the girl / not get the girl, and they are subjective to a girl's tastes and what she values

good looks can get you in the door, doesn't mean they can close the deal, and bad looks can get the door closed on you before you even pitch your sale

That girl is my new idol.

Oh the truth hurts. It does but people need to see this video. Who says that nice guys finish last? Nice guys who finish last and wanna whine about it. A lot of nice guys finish first too but they dont complain about it so you never hear them.

And yes, she has a good point in people go after someone they have something in common with. Like 99% of all guys out there are afrer Angelina Jolie and her clones. But seriously, 99% of all guys wanna catch 1% of all girls? How big is the chance that the 1% will fit with 99% of all guys? Not very big.

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bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

This Video made me smile.

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Peel never ever take advise from a girl Tatoo that in your dick, not even the so call pua girls, we had a couple in the chatroom here, and trust me, they do not know shit! but skills why do you say that? Very simple, girls DO NOT DATE OR PICK UP OTHER WOMEN ON A CONSTANT BASIS, if it happens its just dancing on a drunken hour, now some lesbian are good as fuck in pick up... period end of story... If you are really serious about this subject, get the book no more mr. nice guy, which should be mandatory pua material, one of the best inner game book i have read... http://www.drglover.com/no-more-mr-nice-guy.html In my book i cover the Nice guy issue, which is nothing but manipulation "i went through a nice guy stage"... Here is the problem with nice guys, source heartless bitches international:


Why "Nice Guys" are often such LOSERS
You hear it all the time: "He was such a NICE Guy, and she's such a Heartless Bitch for dumping him."

I get letters from self-professed Nice Guys, complaining that women must WANT to be treated like shit, because THEY, the "Nice Guy" have failed repeatedly in relationships. This is akin to the false logic that "Whales are mammals. Whales live in the sea. Therefore, all mammals live in the sea."

If you have one bad relationship after another, the only common denominator is YOU. Think about it.

What's wrong with Nice Guys? The biggest problem is that most Nice Guys (tm) are hideously insecure. They are so anxious to be liked and loved that they do things for other people to gain acceptance and attention, rather than for the simply pleasure of giving. You never know if a Nice Guy really likes you for who you are, or if he has glommed onto you out of desperation because you actually paid some kind of attention to him.

Nice Guys exude insecurity -- a big red target for the predators of the world. There are women out there who are "users" -- just looking for a sucker to take advantage of. Users home-in on "Nice Guys", stroke their egos, take them for a ride, add a notch to their belts, and move on. It's no wonder so many Nice Guys complain about women being horrible, when the so often the kind of woman that gets attracted to them is the lowest form of life...

Self-confident, caring, decent-hearted women find "Nice Guys" to be too clingy, self-abasing, and insecure.

Nice Guys go overboard. They bring roses to a "lets get together for coffee" date. They try to buy her affections with presents and fancy things. They think they know about romance, but their timing is all wrong, and they either come-on too strong, too hard and too fast, OR, they are so shy and unassertive, that they hang around pretending to be "friends", in the hope that somehow, someway, they will get the courage up to ask her out for a "date".

They are so desperate to please that they put aside their own needs, and place the object of their desire on a pedestal. Instead of appreciating her, they worship her. We are only human, and pedestals are narrow, confining places to be -- not to mention the fact that we tend to fall off of them.

They cling to her, and want to be "one" with her for fear that if she is out of sight, she may disappear or become attracted to someone else. A Nice Guy often has trouble with emotional intimacy, because he believes that if she learns about the REAL person inside, she will no longer love him.

Nice Guys are always asking HER to make the decisions. They think it's being equitable, but it puts an unfair burden of responsibility on her, and gives him the opportunity to blame her if the decision was an unwise one.

Nice Guys rarely speak up when something bothers them, and rarely state clearly what it is they want, need and expect. They fear that any kind of conflict might spell the end of the relationship. Instead of comprimising and negotiating, they repeatedly "give in". When she doesn't appreciate their sacrifice, they will complain that, "Everything I did, I did for her.", as if this somehow elevates them to the status of martyrs. A woman doesn't want a martyr. She wants an equal, caring, adult partner.

Nice Guys think that they will never meet anyone as special as she is. They use their adoration as a foundation for claiming that "no one will ever love her as much as I do." Instead of being a profound statement of their devotion, this is a subtle, but nasty insult. It is akin to saying to her: "You are a difficult person, and only *I* can ever truly love you, so be thankful I'm here."

The nice guy -needs- to believe that he is the best person for the object of his desires, because otherwise his insecurities will overrun him with jealousies and fear. The truth of the matter is that there are many people out there who can be a good match for her. We rarely stop loving people we truly care about. Even if we no longer continue the relationship, the feelings will continue... But love isn't mutually exclusive. We can (and do) love many people in our lives, and romantic love is really no different. Though he may love her immensely, there will likely be other people who have loved her just as much in her past, and will love her just as much in the future. The irony of it all is: "Who would want to go out with someone who was inherintly unlovable anyways?"

More than loving the woman in his life, a Nice Guy NEEDS her. "She is my Life, my only source of happiness..." YECH! What kind of a burden is that to place on her? That SHE has to be responsible for YOUR happiness? Get a grip!

Another mistake Nice Guys make is to go after "hard luck" cases. They deliberately pick women with neuroses, problems, and personality disorders, because Nice Guys are "helpers". A Nice Guy thinks that by "helping" this woman, it will make him a better, more lovable person. He thinks it will give him a sense of accomplishment, and that she will appreciate and love him more, for all his efforts and sacrifice. He is usually disappointed by the results.

This ultimately boils down to the fact that Nice Guys don't like themselves. Is it any wonder women don't like them? In order to truly love someone else, you must first love yourself. Too often Nice Guys mistake obsession for "love".

Get this Guys: INSECURITY ISN'T SEXY. IT'S A TURNOFF.

You don't have to be an ego-inflated, arrogant jerk. You just have to LIKE yourself. You have to know what you want out of life, and go after it. Only then will you be attractive to the kind of woman with whom a long-term relationship is possible.

Here is from the no more mr. nice guy book:


Who is a Nice Guy?
He is the relative who lets his wife run the show.

He is the friend who will do anything for anybody, but whose own life seems to be in shambles.

He is the guy who frustrates his wife because he is so afraid of conflict that nothing ever gets resolved.

He is the boss who tells one person what they want to hear, then reverses himself to please someone else.

He is the man who lets people walk all over him because he doesn't want to rock the boat.

He is the dependable guy at work who will never say “no,” but would never tell anyone if they were imposing on him.

He is the man whose life seems so under control, until BOOM, one day he does something to destroy it all.

Characteristics of Nice Guys
Nice guys seek the approval of others.

Nice guys try to hide their perceived flaws and mistakes.

Nice guys put other people's needs and wants before their own.

Nice guys sacrifice their personal power and often play the role of a victim.

Nice guys tend to be disconnected from other men and from their own masculine energy.

Nice guys co-create relationships that are less than satisfying.

Nice guys create situations in which they do not have very much good sex.

Nice guys frequently fail to live up to their full potential.

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She's kind of stupid.

Obviously, being nice is pleasant and people like that, and being nice may not be enough, but Nice guys often are weak, easy, and boring.

This might be the best advice Ive seen on the board. Thanks for breaking it down Skills...and not just acting like this bitch know what the fuck shes talking about.

Seriously, how did any of you make it thru this vid? I made it 2:43 before my annoyance took over. If shes correct then her BF is an annoying narcissist that thinks they know everything. That must make for great dinner guests. Ive dated women that I have nothing in common with... LTR, maybe more similar, but I dont really care. I used to be the "nice guy" and skills is right on. Nice guys are weak...because they dont want to stick their neck out and become a man.

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"Every woman's a whore in the right situation"
"They're all selling it for something"
"She's sluttier than you think she is"

She has a point about things in common, how many of us have dated and stayed in a relationship with someone who was stupidly hot, just for that only reason?
It would be incredibly awkward and boring to spend time together, but you're only with them because they are the hottest person you've been with ever!

All her crap on nice guys is BS, someone post a video reply to her? skills perhaps?

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Thought this reply on Reddit fitted well with this topic:
While Jenna does make a lot of good points, she also totally leaves out what it means to be a nice guy and what that means to girls. Yes girls want nice guys, but they want a nice asshole or jerk to put it simply. They don't want one 24/7 but more a guy that will be an ass or jerk from time to time and not put up with all her crap. As well most girls want a guy to lead or be dominant and wear the pants so to speak in a relationship.

There is a big difference between being a jerk and not being a weakling. A girl wants a man who can take care of things so that she wont have to carry his weight too. But she only wants him to be tough when there is a need, in all other respects, he should be nice.

Jerks cant be nice and (commonly) nice guys cant be powerful. She wants both.

Jerks vs nice guy is not really a big problem if you think about it. People think you can only choose one path and stick to it. Define yourself as a jerk and drop all kindness in your heart. Or classify yourself as a nice guy so that you wont have to learn how to stand up for yourself, oh because that is scary, what if you happen to disagree with someone.

People limit themselves subconsciously to not have to learn things that dont come naturally to them, things that are hard. The jusify their decision by hating or flaming others that have characteristics that are different from their own. Jerks are hated because then the nice guys wont have to compete with them, they dont like jerks because they are jerks so thats why they dont want tobe one and wow, an easy way out of having to learn that part of life. Same thing with jerks, or jocks as they may wanna call themselves. Oh, are you a NERD? If you are a nerd then you cant be cool, so I dont wanna learn nerdy stuff. Again, to keep playing their strengths, they define other paths of life as nerdy and dont have to deal with them. Comfy solution right?

Truth is, both nice guys and jerks are seriously lacking in one or more characteristics which they are too afraid to face.

Classify yourself as anything and you are already out. You limit your development and wont ever improve or see new perspectives.

Now people say, yeah but either you get really good at one thing or you get bad at everything, thats a lot of BS. You can improve immensly much more than you think, easier than you think, the only thing you need is the motivation and the balls to do it. There isnt a matter of how much time you have on your hands. How many hours, days, weeks, years, have you wasted in front of the TV, computer, internet? Use those to improve yourself in something you suck at, the complete opposite of what you feel comfortable doing.

The girl in the video talks about people who are lacking because that is what she knows. She has accepted that you have to choose a path too. Everybody who chooses a path accepts it too.

I dont.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

Oh, and if you read my former post: Jerks vs nice guys, its the same reasoning as natural vs indirect game.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

Which is what I am getting at with the whole jerk and nice thing. Most girls want a guy that is bit of jerk/asshole and bit of a nice guy.
Agreed. Tho even if you don't label or classify your self you are away's going to lack some sort of characteristic. But that is only because we are humans and not clones.
To an extent we all on some path that we ourselves define to an extent. Not to say we can't change said path at any given time. Because reality is we can't be jack of all trades and master of none. There are going to be things we are going to be good at and things we just suck at no matter what we do. Ya we can work on getting better but we are not meant to be perfect, we are instead made to have flaws.

I like the video but it is about 4 and half minutes too long. She could have got all of her points about dungeons and dragons and gucci bags done way quicker. I can put this very simply and I don't need 6 and half minutes to do it-

People date and mate with someone they feel is of of equal value to themselves. -This means a woman that is a 10 is going to be with another guy that is a 10 (men are lucky enough that value isn't looks related). In the Science of Sex Appeal they do a study where they test to see how people "match up" when put in a room (they also measured their face's physical attractiveness and gave it a rating based on a computer program). People ended up with people that were right around the same "attractiveness". Pretty simple - it's why the ugly guy with the hot chick looks out of place.

People tend to be attracted to people with similar interests.

The video holds some value but I'm seriously sick of everyone thinking the nice guy can't get laid or the nice guy can't get the girl. You being nice to them doesn't mean you have to let them trounce on you. The only reason a nice guy does a lot of the shit people talk about is because they lack confidence and thus emphasize their insecurities. It's not that Nice guys can't get the fly dame it's that guys who lack confidence have trouble getting the girl. He uses his abilities to give to make him a higher value( buying a drink or a bag or whatever else).

Peace and Love

Vic

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Women DO NOT WANT A JERK OR A NICE GUY: they want a man, simple

A nice guy is a softy usually because he approaches relationships from a women point of view(this can be seen in most hollywood movies)

A jerk will not work either, however jerks tend to have most characteristics of a man.

You have to be a MAN, simple, most of pua books even the weak ones are trying to teach guys to be man, simple....


This is another one like the number game, that most guys misunderstand, as i said, if you want to learn about the subject, please get the book " No more Mr. Nice guy" which should be mandatory pua reading..

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^ Listen dude, that girl is putting stuff out there confusing people, i may do what you suggested, but about the things in common it is overrated... How many girls do you think have something in common with a dude like "Sex Addict" for example or me lol, or any of the crazy people in here... You can create emotional connections which is more powerful than commonalities... I have never met or dated a girl that has more than 10% in common with me...Remember David D "Attraction is not a choice"... But skills do you have any examples? yes just sit there and watch the millionaire matchmaker show, see how well good looking millionaires are doing in the dating lives, that they pay 10k to be hooked up by a stupid ass dating coach.

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