Ok, just an observation maybe...

We talk a lot here about 'parts' of the game and I've also noticed the 'natural game' part of this site is one of the least used (which I consider the best type).

I thought what would be a good idea for newbies and guys getting back in to it is an entire structure. We use handrails and guidelines for everything in life and I suppose this could be no different.

The idea is you post your 'basic' routine on here. Clearly there is no set routine and structure and it will change with the HBs reactions but again this will be a handrail, lets say a certain number of steps to follow. So you do step 1 and if nothing rises naturally (which it certainly should) then you progress to step 2 and so on...
This takes away the uncertainty and the 'what do i say...' questions that you ask yourself.

You know that even in the worse set of circumstances you go through your steps and she doesn't even respond once but you work your way all through the steps ending in a close attempt and you get a no and walk off... rinse.... repeat.

More realistically each step should open up other bits of conversation and you should be able to substitute each step.
I'll try and think of a basic format as an example but if anyone else thinks this is a good idea and would like to add their own then please do...

TT

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Ok, handrail 1:

Step 1 : Approach.
Hi, I need your opinion, my friends keep taking the piss out of my shirt, do you think I look gay? - Laugh, argue if she says yes, be arrogant and say it's because i'm good looking if she says no.

2 - Tell her your name, ask hers, ask her again.
Make fun of her name, its a bit ordinary, boys name, weird, foreign.

3 - FTC - I've gotta meet my mates over at the coffee shop in a moment, but I gotta buy a birthday present for one of my friends (female obviously). She's 24, I swear the girl has everything, what can I buy her? What do you want for your birthday?
Make fun again, thats a crap present, wow you sound high maint.

4 - Kino - When making fun (and she is on the back foot) - say aaah, you know i'm kidding, come here (hug). Or maybe you agree on something, high 5.

5 - Do you wanna try this little trick I learnt? It could be fun...?
Pick a number between 1-5 = 3?
between 1-10 = 7?
Run all the, do you believe in ESP crap beforehand.

6 - Right, i'll tell you what, come with me and get a coffee while I wait for my mates, you seem like fun and I want some more fashion tips that I can ignore!...

7 - (she's gotta shoot) - Ok, no probs, put your number down (hand phone) and i'll give you a call for coffee in about 5 minutes. laugh.
Put yourself down as (girl with the weird name).

8 - It was cool to meet you, I bet you're glad I said hello now.
Where can I get a decent shirt around here (passing comment - Dont make the close the culmination of the convo).
Feel free to play on this for longer.

9 - Hug, double check her name, say bye.



Hopefully at point 6 she says yes, you hit it off, end up going straight to a club, you both get crazy drunk, dance home in the rain, have the wildest sex ever till 6am and both decide to move to India the following day and live in a free love commune.
Seriously!??
Probably not!

Anyone else got a handrail!??

TT

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I was just talking to a friend about this, I want to emphasise that this isn't the 'how to' on picking up girls, the ONLY 'how to' will be learning your own game in the field. However when starting, and restarting, my big limiting factor has been but my game just isn't solid. I need a better opener, I need some kino (what shall I use), I need to make sure i'm always trying to close etc etc.
So this is JUST a handrail, i'd imagine after a few approaches you'll just think this opener/kino/close just isn't working i'll do this instead and swap in something different.

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open + screen
frame control + build compliance
isolate
sex

conversation threads are almost never linear or recycled, but it is always related to her and what she is doing, and what is going on, and what I feel like, and what has happened to me recently and my hobbies/passions and our likes/dislikes and common interests

focus is more on how she feels, then what to say, and what I want to do, not thinking so much about how to fuck her, more about what do I want to do for fun and how to make things more interesting for myself but the linear flow above is a general direction to lead with, but the focus is usually on just being with her and dicking around for fun as long as she is fun

I agree totally but all the stuff in your post requires a lot of confidence and/or a bit of learning.
I see your post as the end goal. I'm thinking mine is the handrail where they start, eventually they begin to throw stuff out ie. instead of having 'an opener' they just open with whatever they feel/see. Then the mid-game script is replaced with what they see and hear and eventually the whole game becomes more natural but you can always have this handrail to fall back on if things go real bad.

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