Skills pretty much nailed in in the above post.

PU is a lot like poker. If you don't know what your doing than luck plays a huge part in poker. The better you get the less luck matters. It will still always be there and no matter how good you get but luck will play a smaller and smaller part as your skills increase.

The problem with cold approach that most people don't seem to want to realize/admit, no matter how much someone practices poker, the chances of them becoming an elite poker player that wins a ton of money is practically slim to none. Sure, they will get better not not by a whole lot. Cold approach is the same way. With enough practice most men will get somewhat better but most will not become the "elite player" the sales letters promise them they will be.

Some people, no matter how much they practice, will never get any good. My cousin has probably spent more hours than some pros studying, learning, and playing poker yet he still sucks. Hes a smart guy but poker just isn't his game. Hopefully he will realize that soon. Cold approach is the same way. A while back some guy posted on RSDnation that he has over 5,000 approaches under his belt yet he has only slept with one. I'm sorry but cold approach simply isn't for that guy.

The "gurus" wont tell you that because it cuts into their profit.

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I wonder if the dude of the 50k approaches is the same dude from this forum, because if that is the case he is full of shit, since i was the one who introduce him to rsd couple of months back, and his post in here were all over the place and inconsistent...He may be a troll...He also claim he was an rsd junior instructor in one of the post, i ask him how can that be possible when i was the one who introduce him to rsd? still waiting for his answer...

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Skills you are spot on man, pick up is a combination of numbers and skills. You will get rejected so get over it but at the same time you will get rejected less as you get better with women and know the when and how of the moment. As you sharpen your skills your success rises higher and higher. I've argued on the forum before that you are either going to show skills or you are going to play a numbers game, I think direct without pre-screening (looking for signs) is a numbers game.

I also want to say thanks so much for the love, from a man like Sex Addict that is amazing..... Me and him chat here and there and our game is very similar (right down to diction) but I don't know that my game should ever be compared to a man of that skill set.

The top seller is the top seller for a reason. The top pick up guy or ladies man, playboy or whatever else you want to call him is quite skilled with women compared to the average lad. You can't be amazing or competent at anything without learning from your mistakes and sharpening your technique/skill set in that area from basketball to pick up to driving a car. The elite have a serious amount of experience and they learned from it, not just 50k approaches but lessons, modifications, adjustments, with each experience. They are usually extremely quick learners.

The poker comment kind of threw me for a loop.... I will say this, either you got "it" to be an elite player (this includes the mindset to study and work hard, every elite player of any sport works hard) or you don't. Which I think is the point you are trying to bring up but there are plenty of good poker players that are money winners(80%-90% area), there is the top 10 percent players that do very well (professionals making well over 6 figures a year), and the top 1 percent (making most of the income) just like every other profession or "hobby" that are the "elite". Hard work plays a part in being the top 10 down to the elite.

If you are the elite you are the Sex Addicts, Skills, etc. If you are a "top 10" you are a guy like me, and a lot of the other forum leaders around here, better than 90% but there are still guys better at it.

I have to say this though, Instinct was about spot on, who gives a fuck how much tail you get, just be happy. Nailing 3 girls a week won't make you happy in my personal experiences, it can get really out of hand quickly, shit can be far more peaceful to having one fuck buddy (my preferred route even got rules) or one lay a week rather than the extra stress of more personnel. Getting laid won't make you happy, either you are going to be happy or you aren't going to be. Sex, Money, job, don't influence your happiness as much as your decision to just be happy.

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^ right on the money, i disagree with the boldface, i am far from elite... I think pick up should not be a pissing contest, i think everybody has their on goals and what they want out of this... Thanks for the love though! As i said the main problem with numbers game also is, what happens after you are in a relationship, then you are fucked, and i think you were the one that gave the sample in another post of some dudes, that burn themselves out in the club, that was a really good example i was looking for it, could not find the post were you wrote that.

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I did a video of how this plays out in a club environment, watch on youtube for captions:

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Guys, a professional soccer player who shoots 10 times at the goal has more chances than a player who shoots only 2 times during a game. The numbers are important, however, one of the best players in the world can shoot 10 times and score 3 goals..so his skill is NOT ONLY NUMBERS. That's what Skills360 is trying to say here. The numbers of shots at goal is of course important, but it's not the ESSENCE of the game..that same best player can have only 1 shot and 1 goal, but if he's able to pull 10 shots at goal, he's even MORE likely to score. The numbers play an important factor, but it's skill + numbers that gets you rolling..you can't expect every girl to want to sleep with you, the same way a soccer player cannot expect every single shot to be a goal.

My personal opinion is:

numbers 5% - and then be selective

being attractive 20%(looks, hygiene, ambition, confidence etc...)

seduction skills 25%

escalation, arousal and sexual skills 50%

Kino, tease, lots of pull and even more push with only playful negs if needed to bring down too big of an ego trip.

Lots and lots of escalation.

^ that is pretty similar to my ratings on page 1 of this thread, but i fucked up in my math lol...

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My two cents:


numbers 5%-- always selective ( situational)

being attractive 50% ( looks, hygiene, style, fashion, confidence, presence)

Seduction skills 40% ( personality, reads body, mind...wit, charm and humor)

Escalation, arousal and sexual skills 5% ( Note: this is the end result and not really part of a seduction, more so the reward of the seduction. It pays to be good at this but not completely needed.

This would be my break down all while being encompassed with 100% sexuality in my words, body language and thoughts.

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Seduce their mind and the rest will follow.

It's only a numbers game if you want it to be, you can make every single seduction attempt as important or insignificant as you please. It is all in the eye of the beholder.

I'll tell you all this much, if you see it as a numbers game, it will be and you will not have as much success. You will simply not have your heart and soul into it and it will reflect with your unconscious actions, regardless of how well trained you are.

Do it for the love of women instead of the love of the game and your will have success.

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Wow if you actually believe that some people just can't approach women well or just can't become an elite poker player you are just stupid.

If someone spends enough time and dedication doing something and learning it they will become good at it regardless of their IQ or previous experiences. Ofcourse it's going to take some people alot longer than others but even if your ability to learn is horrible, humans actually have to ability to learn things subconciously and will always learn by doing even if they don't remember what they did or didn't do.

Everything in this world can be broken down and learned by the stupidest people on the planet it's super dumb to think that some people just can't become good at poker etc..

I dont care how much, or how hard that guy practices poker, he is never going to good enough at it to rake in a consistent profit.

Back when Americans could play poker online for money on full tilt and stars I was a small time poker pro. I made a very decent living at it. I'm very smart and an extremly quick learner. However, no matter how much I learn about poker, how much I practice, and how much I play, I'm never going to be one of the elite poker players who earn 10+ million a year from it. About 1% of the population, probably less, has the abilities to be able to do that.

Many things are the same way.

Another parallel between this community and the poker community is this: there are many guys who practice for years and actually try their hardest to get good and yet they simply don't improve. Its sad but its true. On the 2+2 poker forum there are many guys who admit to spending TONS upon TONS of hours on learning poker and yet they barley break even at it. Some people just cant learn poker. Cold approach pick up is the same way. I used to think it wasn't but i've come to realize that some guys, no matter how hard they try, arnt going to become very good at cold approach.

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When it comes to Elite Poker players you either have it or you don't. It's not something that everyone has. You don't know shit about poker if you truly believe anyone can become elite at it.

Poker is undoubtedly the most difficult game I have ever played. Not trying to put chess or any other game down but poker is all out psychological warfare with a side of financial stress. You have to be good at math (quick at the table).

I'm going to explain to you what I think about when it comes to 3 from the button before I even LOOK at my cards. I look to the 5 people to my left to see who is going to fold, raise, or call, then I analyze the action in front of me. My final step is looking at my cards to see whether I should call, raise, fold, etc. Note: I also already have the players and their playing style (tight, loose, good, bad, etc.) as well as take note of the chip stacks.

I'm not considered an elite player, but I am considered a top player. I am winner in poker - my body language, people skills, math skills, rationality, and confidence allow me to wreck some tables. Does this mean I haven't lost 400 dollars in a sitting? Nope of course I have that is POKER.

Not every one is smart enough, driven enough, or just has that "it" that people talk about when it comes to being elite (in anything really).

The Most important thing that those elite players have is they do what is wrong to us or to text book poker but right for the situation. If I'm at a table with you, my move has more to do with the person I'm dealing with than my cards. Not to say I'm a loose player, I'm a very tight player but I know when I can play and more importantly when I shouldn't play(this is where you lose your money).

I'm saying all of this because I've been offered opportunities at bankrolls, I'm considered special and yes I have been told you have that "it". If I worked a bit more at it I could certainly make a living through poker and I've thought about it quite a bit but it is a long and stressful journey, there are easier ways to make money far more consistently and in some areas in greater quantities.

The difference between a good break even player and a good profitable player is just that extra few moves timed perfectly, it's not about raising someone off the pot, it's knowing who you can raise out of the pot and who you can drag in for serious money. If you aren't thinking when you are playing me, you are losing. Even if you are thinking I'm influencing your thoughts with my words. An elite player is patient enough to know when it's the right time for some moves (doesn't mean they aren't aggressive). It takes a feel for people to know when you can make moves with frequency (your frequency means you'll have to go tight for a bit after a while as well).

You can learn the game of poker but either you have it to be elite or your don't. That comes before you ever play poker.

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