I'm not sure if I'm doing something wrong, but after having encounters with people for the first time, afterwards a lot of them say i am "nice guy" etc. Im not sure if this means I'm beta or not, generally speaking i like to come across smiling, saying jokes, and maybe playful negs depending on the situation, but I no longer take this as a compliment anymore from reading mystery methods, does anyone else get the same thing ?

i had the same trouble although im very new to the game so im not really got my game together yet i went on a date with a chick the other week was running some negs on her and even tried some fractionation and asked this chick if she wanted to come back to mine said yes then changed her mind last minute and said she wernt feeling it but thought i was a really nice although i didnt run any actually routines or patterns on her

Being a nice guy is only a bad thing if you lack confidence.

If you're charismatic, being a nice guy will be your greatest asset. Take it as a compliment. I'd much rather receive a compliment about my character than a compliment about my appearance

lol,Preaching to the choir my friend. It glorifiably pisses the hell out of me. They all want a nice guy,but then go for the same knuckledragging mouthbreathers with 6 pack abs and IQ's lower than that.

lol,admittingly this is a bit of a sore spot. The way I see it, guys like you and me need to have an edge. "even good guys do bad things",shit like that.

But hey,for what its worth.I wish you luck.

nothing wrong with being a nice person at all,

it is being aulteristic, reactive, and needy that presents a problem, rather then ''kind'' or ''nice''

often the term ''nice guy'' or ''nice girl'' is a term you would use when giving your opinion on someone you are indifferent towards

good old jenny the girl with 2 teeth and an eating disorder leaving her scooter bound and obese, jenny like you, she's super nervous, but she brings her checker board around you breatheing realy heavey all the time, ''HEY THERE SE23, I BROUGHT MY CHECKER BOARD, YOU WANT TO PLAY?'', well she's sort of annoying, but at least you know she has good intentions and she's trying

so your buddy steve says to you, ''hey SE23, you seem to hang out with jenny alot, what's the deal?''

and what do you say?

''yeah steve, jenny plays checkers with me all the time, she's a pretty nice girl''

this ^ is you being indifferent to jenny, but you don't want to say something negative about her, why? because you don't have a negative view of her, but you also don't have a positive view of her either do you?, nope, you simply don't care about her

now OTOH, you meet some other girl, lets call her stacy, stacy is hot as fuck, she might as well be a comedian because she is the funniest girl you have ever met in your life, she constantly teases you, has a badass car, she fits the archtype of style that you like, suits your personal preference perfect, she always says witty shit and when she brings the checkers, SHE PUTS THE BOARD DOWN LIKE A BOSS AND RAPES YOU ON THE CHECKER FIELD, she is one of the most interesting and friendly people you have ever met, she is a kind person, totally respectful, she is your ideal girl

now you're buddy asks you, ''hey SE23, you seem to hang out with stacy alot, what's the deal?''

and what do you say?

''oh yeah, fuck I love that girl, she's cool as fuck, and she plays checkers like a boss''

now what's the difference ^ here?, you are not indifferent to stacy, you are emotionally attracted to her to the point of being needy towards her, you are actually drawn towards her because she provides value to you emotionally, rather then trying to seek it from you, she is a kind person, sure, she is a nice girl because she is kind, but you are not indifferent so the reaction and wording towards her tends to be a little more emotionally charged, since there is actually an emotional assosiation towards her, because in essense she has enough value to get you to react to her

Great post i will be taking notes

Whether you are nice or not does not really matter much. It is whether you are congruent and unapologetic in your beliefs that really matters.

There is a difference between doing something for someone to make them like you more, or doing something for someone because you WANT to. You could literally be doing the same thing, but your behavior will be different. For example, the age old you buying her a drink can actually work, if done with the right frame and mindset. If you buy a drink for her to IMPRESS her, this is neediness, as you are doing so to make her like you, and will have the opposite desired effect. But if you buy her a drink because, hell, you buy everyone a goddamn drink cause you like these people and you've got the cash, then this is not needy.

If you are truly worried, begin to tease them more without apologizing for it. Disagree with them from time to time in a genuine way and offer your opinions.

Yeah man I don't think it comes down to being too nice I think other traits come across like being clingy or needy I feel I just need to implement more of the methods and science behind the pickup and get this shit down to an art like chicks like the alpha male so I'm gonna concentrate on displaying them traits more along with taking the lead and being a bigger tease lol

From my understanding dude girls don't see you as a sexual threat. You can still be a nice guy, but girls don't see any sexual energy about you. You're just nice. I was the same brother. Until I understood what I had to change. It's not that your becoming a Bad guy you're just becoming more sexual and girl sense that. If the see or sense that at any moment you could potentially have sex with them then your not longer see just a nice guy.

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Awesome post pumpington, logged in just to say that.

This is a shit-test! If a girl says to you that you are a nice guy, and you let yourself being influenced by this (you stop sarging/ doubting yourself), you failed the test.


HB: you are such a nice guy [disqualifying you as a PUA[
YOU: haha, me nice guy? You should come home with me tonight. I doubt you will call mr nice guy again!

I think it depends on whether they are meaning "nice" as in an affable, pleasant, fun person to be around. Or they mean "nice" as in an afc, needy, sulky, white knight who expects sex in return for being almost creepily nice and supportive.

Good posts, i suppose it depends on the context and circumstances, also it is subjective. I defiantly was a "nice guy" by the mystery method definition, but I'm no longer sure, being "nice" doesn't get you anywhere in life, however i think in social interactions if you can provide a laugh and be charismatic as somebody posted before, "being nice" is not a problem.