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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 8:59 am 
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ok here is an idea for you,

stop thinking of chasing as showing interest, start thinking of showing interest and moving things forward as escalation

when the interest is mutual, she will reciprocate, and allow you to keep escalating, now when she has hit her limit, or she wants to take the lead, she will try to use her vagina as her power move (most girls do this), and she will attempt to remove it from the equation to get what she wants, in the hopes you will comply, and kiss her ass as she sees fit (this is her trying to get you to chase)

so what you do at that point, is don't play her game, you stop trying, and you pursue other girls, once she is invested and sees value in you, you don't chase when she withdraws, you withdraw and mirror her, and let her come back around for you (chase), then when she comes back, you go back to escalating, you just don't go out of your way to do it for her once she is invested, or she will think she has you and you need her, then she will take her ego boost and add another notch to her belt (female style), but if you want a chick to invest in you, you have to lead and bring value first, she's not going to go hit on you and hop on your dick when she doesn't see value, if that is what you are hoping for, it is highly, highly, highly unlikely, unless you hold a tremendous amount of status or she thinks you are the hottest looking guy ever, and even then it is more rare then common, you have to escalate and take responsibility

girls will not chase, that which they don't value (can't play hard to get, if you're hard to want), and from the looks of your post, she seems dis-interested rather then interested, maybe she likes the way you look, or is interested in the social proof you demonstrate but the interest level is low judging by her rate of compliance/investment (if she saw value, she would be investing)

if playing it too cool for school isn't working for you now, why would it work for you later? especially when she is uninvested in you, and has an abundance of other guys, it's more likely she is actually indifferent to you for real, then playing some sort of game with you, if she liked you she would most likely want to invest in you, rather then being low on responsiveness

think of getting girls more like likability+status, if the guy has the status (health*looks*/wealth*money*/love*social status* in MM terms), and he's likable(good game/cool/valuable or important to her emotionally, how ever you want to put it), she will want to fuck, if he is likable but doesn't have the status, he will get the friend zone, if he is likable and has the status but doesn't escalate, she will get frustrated lose interest and move on (these are the cases where the guy can get out of the ''friend zone''), how do you even know she isn't interested in the guys she chats with? girls get attracted to alot of guys all the time, doesn't mean the guys man up and escalate, and it doesn't mean she will sleep with them if they do (sometimes girls are invested in a different guy who they see more value in), if your trying to be cool but she thinks you're gay, then you don't quite have the likability covered do you? needs more value, and from woman to woman, what is ''important'' or valueable is subjective, one girl might heavily favour the personality of a guy the most, another might care about your social status the most, another might care about your looks the most, another might care about your lifestyle/finances the most, it depends on what she values in a partner, how you come together as a person will form your identity, each girl will see the big picture and try to find congruence for you that aligns with an identity, she can then assign you a status over all in comparison to other men, the higher your status, the more she wants to sleep with you, everything matters and the more value you can bring from all aspects, the better your shot, more confidence, more likeability, better social skills (raising your social status to be higher value then her, etc.), better looks, better income, more friends, more of an abundance of women, etc. etc., it all adds up, the guy with the top status amoung other guys, will be considered the ''alpha male'' of that group, how ever, status is subjective as people have different values, and you don't have to be the ''alpha male'' to get girls, high status is attractive, you don't have to be the highest status or leader, but the most attractive obviously gets first dibbs, and an alpha from a group of low status guys who is low status himself will probably not have much success with women (think the ugly king of the nerds), where as the high status beta will have women in his life (think good looking follower guy in the cool clique)

and in both cases, extreme status can overshadow likability, and extreme likability can overshadow status (the whole good game can compensate for shit status, and higher status can compensate for shit game)


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 9:48 am 
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I agree with pumpington as usual.

Do not chase her at all.

Tease her more though and maybe neg her once or twice as she probably will not be used to it.

Take note of her body language towards you.

Softly softly catchee monkey.


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ok here is an idea for you,

stop thinking of chasing as showing interest, start thinking of showing interest and moving things forward as escalation

when the interest is mutual, she will reciprocate, and allow you to keep escalating, now when she has hit her limit, or she wants to take the lead, she will try to use her vagina as her power move (most girls do this), and she will attempt to remove it from the equation to get what she wants, in the hopes you will comply, and kiss her ass as she sees fit (this is her trying to get you to chase)

so what you do at that point, is don't play her game, you stop trying, and you pursue other girls, once she is invested and sees value in you, you don't chase when she withdraws, you withdraw and mirror her, and let her come back around for you (chase), then when she comes back, you go back to escalating, you just don't go out of your way to do it for her once she is invested, or she will think she has you and you need her, then she will take her ego boost and add another notch to her belt (female style), but if you want a chick to invest in you, you have to lead and bring value first, she's not going to go hit on you and hop on your dick when she doesn't see value, if that is what you are hoping for, it is highly, highly, highly unlikely, unless you hold a tremendous amount of status or she thinks you are the hottest looking guy ever, and even then it is more rare then common, you have to escalate and take responsibility

girls will not chase, that which they don't value (can't play hard to get, if you're hard to want), and from the looks of your post, she seems dis-interested rather then interested, maybe she likes the way you look, or is interested in the social proof you demonstrate but the interest level is low judging by her rate of compliance/investment (if she saw value, she would be investing)

if playing it too cool for school isn't working for you now, why would it work for you later? especially when she is uninvested in you, and has an abundance of other guys, it's more likely she is actually indifferent to you for real, then playing some sort of game with you, if she liked you she would most likely want to invest in you, rather then being low on responsiveness

think of getting girls more like likability+status, if the guy has the status (health*looks*/wealth*money*/love*social status* in MM terms), and he's likable(good game/cool/valuable or important to her emotionally, how ever you want to put it), she will want to fuck, if he is likable but doesn't have the status, he will get the friend zone, if he is likable and has the status but doesn't escalate, she will get frustrated lose interest and move on (these are the cases where the guy can get out of the ''friend zone''), how do you even know she isn't interested in the guys she chats with? girls get attracted to alot of guys all the time, doesn't mean the guys man up and escalate, and it doesn't mean she will sleep with them if they do (sometimes girls are invested in a different guy who they see more value in), if your trying to be cool but she thinks you're gay, then you don't quite have the likability covered do you? needs more value, and from woman to woman, what is ''important'' or valueable is subjective, one girl might heavily favour the personality of a guy the most, another might care about your social status the most, another might care about your looks the most, another might care about your lifestyle/finances the most, it depends on what she values in a partner, how you come together as a person will form your identity, each girl will see the big picture and try to find congruence for you that aligns with an identity, she can then assign you a status over all in comparison to other men, the higher your status, the more she wants to sleep with you, everything matters and the more value you can bring from all aspects, the better your shot, more confidence, more likeability, better social skills (raising your social status to be higher value then her, etc.), better looks, better income, more friends, more of an abundance of women, etc. etc., it all adds up, the guy with the top status amoung other guys, will be considered the ''alpha male'' of that group, how ever, status is subjective as people have different values, and you don't have to be the ''alpha male'' to get girls, high status is attractive, you don't have to be the highest status or leader, but the most attractive obviously gets first dibbs, and an alpha from a group of low status guys who is low status himself will probably not have much success with women (think the ugly king of the nerds), where as the high status beta will have women in his life (think good looking follower guy in the cool clique)

and in both cases, extreme status can overshadow likability, and extreme likability can overshadow status (the whole good game can compensate for shit status, and higher status can compensate for shit game)
Great post man, thanks for taking the time. Your post made a lot of sense to me and actually made me realize how pointless this sort of oneitis is. Eye opener post...thanks pump


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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 3:20 pm 
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Great post man, thanks for taking the time. Your post made a lot of sense to me and actually made me realize how pointless this sort of oneitis is. Eye opener post...thanks pump

Good insight for sure, totally agree wit pumpington


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