What is with that pua hate website? I stumbled upon it by accident. Very discouraging stuff written about some of the top guys. Any of this true? Why so many posters there?

Most hatred from PUA's is from women who don't like the power it gives men and from men who are more traditional. Some of the hate also comes from jealously. Remember its lonely at the top.

Some PUA's have discussed the hate they get:

http://romancecheater.com/why-society-h ... ony-of-it/

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I stumbled on it too. From what I gather, it's mostly guys who spent money on PUA material or live seminars, failed once or twice, gave up, and now they are upset

This forum and the people here changed my way of approaching/handling a girl. You just gotta do it right.

PUA gets a bad rap because a lot of guys who practice it are sleazy. But very few people care enough about sleaze to become a member of an entire community that spends their time hating another community.

Most of the PUAhate guys have a bone to pick because they read something or tried something and they failed. And they didn't have the guts to ask for help, take constructive criticism, and work at it. So it's just easier to believe they've been scammed, that they'll never be good with women, and that anyone who IS good with women is some kind of manipulator, or just plain lucky.

Look at all the Famous Gurus. Show me 1 that has an attractive girlfriend or even female friend. The proof is in the pudding as they say and none of these PUAs have any tangible results for 10-20 years of "experience."

It's like saying Donald Trump isn't rich because he filed bankruptcy in the 80s. Or that Pacquiao can't box because he got knocked the fuck out by Marquez. Or Halle Berry is shitty actress because she was in Catwoman.

It's easy to make anyone or anything look bad when you focus on the negative and embellish the bad. Yea, I'm really sure Mystery and Style have only picked up three women in their lifetimes. That's a bunch of horse shit. So many guys out there have dramatically improved their ability to get women due to pick up that it will never matter what any detractors say. The proof is in the pudding, I agree. Pick up works better than being an AFC, that's a universal truth.

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What results?

PUAs tell people go around and cold-approach women like chickens with your head caught off so you do, and you THINK you are making progress because you're talking to women you would have never talked to before. And you ask for #, and you think you are making progress because you are getting more #s in a month than you have in the rest of your life....


.... but then after months OR YEARS of going out you realize that you haven't made any long term progress. You don't have a cool social circle filled with women, or even female friends from the 100s of approaches or even a GF.

Like I said look at all the instructors, none of them are successful. For 20 years of pickup NOT 1, NOT A SINGLE ONE has an attractive girlfriend or wife.

Mystery and Style have never had attractive girls?

nope

Yes they did.. look at the pictures from their mansion. The girls are exceedingly attractive. Style had a gf for awhile.

nope, at best the girls were 6/7s
look tyler/owen cook, yes he did manage to get some women back when he was in his 20s but now in his 30s he is dead in the water

and the fact that they CAN'T KEEP ANY OF THESE 1000s of women they talk - that's the real point or issue.