Fuck her right and you'll get an emotional response out of her. If I was you I'd cut her out of your personal life and hold onto your dignity instead.

Please Tony do not give up on this guy. This has been a hilarious read.

Sylar bro seriously man...how old are you? I'm not trying to take the piss because a lot of guys with different ages fall for this shit this girl is doing but Tony and others have given you some fuckin quality advice and you have either ignored it or done it in the worst way possible.

I can totally understand the position your in, 3 years ago I was trying to get with this HB8 from work. Complete mindfuck, interested 1 minute hugging, kissing, meeting up and shit. I was literally like a shoe to her tho. I didn't get laid and I wasted loads of time. That was the last time I was clingy, fuck that shit. I stopped being clingy, got myself a girlfriend, got rid of her, got myself another one, got rid of her.

Now I spend my time gaming girls, learning guitar, doing my uni work and getting drunk with the lads.

Couldn't be happier. I think Sylar you need to realise that the main point of life (especially yours) isn't to "find a girl, marry, live happily ever after" the main point of life is to LIVE IT and when you finally start doing that instead being a doormat you will get laid.

Tony you are funny. I look upto you, you cannot just give up on me. Please.

I listened to you and I'm taking her out for a small one day trip to a resort. I think I'll do her that night.

I have a question though, right now we are more than friends, not in a relationship though, I think she would be a bit hesitant to go beyond base 3. But I'm not giving up and at the same time I don't want to force anything on her.

I'll let you know how this goes.

Apart from what you wrote, got any advice for the small trip?

I took your advice man. I stopped sending her messages, she sent me a message on SPAM, then one more message, then a comment on facebook and finally a call. I was busy with work and did not reply until one hour. I'm keeping the communication to minimum and concentrating more on myself and my work.

Thank you for your inputs and I was just want to tell you that this means a lot to me.

I'm 26. I know I sounded weak in few of my last posts, but I am working on it.

I know my life rocks and girls find me attractive. Lets see if it works out with this girl or there's always other girls right?

Just thought I'd elaborate on the point WHY taking her to a resort is stupid.

You are taking her to a resort, she has already proved that she can get you to do things without giving you sex.

Just think what is going on in her mind.

Her: I'm going to a resort...He's already paid for it so I don't need to give him sex, I can just chill.

What I've learnt over recent years is that you want to put minimal effort in before having sex with a girl. If you want it to go LTR after that and you both want that then by all means buy her the fucking planet but not before.

Example 1: My friend introduced me to her friend in a club. Found her hot but lost her amongst the crowd. THought it was a lost cause. Then my friend said "Shes text me telling me to give you her number, she thinks your cute."

Got her number and sent her a "Why did you leave if you wanted a chat, you have bad game! "

her: "I was bored and you didn't seem interested. I'm all cold here "

Me: "I know the perfect way to get you nice and hot"

her: "how?"

me: "You, me up against your wall"

her: "hehe, I'm not that kind of girl! why don't you walk to mine tomorrow and we can go for coffee"

(she lives an hours walk from my house...fuck that)

me: "An hours walk, loads of girls would jump me by then! Get a lift up to mine"

She agrees, she comes round the next day. We went for a walk, had a smoke, went to watch "UP" then I fucked the shit out of her.

After a couple months of that she became the gf.

Example 2:

My most recent effortless victory.

Went out clubbing with my mate and all of his friends. One of the girls just get grabbing my hand and pulling me everywhere. Then when we were dnaicng just got off with her. As we were dancing:

Me leans in close: "I'm going to fuck you so hard tonight"

then retreated and said "Right i'm off to the bar"

Brought myself a drink, didn't buy her one. She appeared within 5 minutes. Took her back to mine where I did fuck her hard. Infact she went on a 3 hour trip to her parents. I ignored her for a couple of days then sent her

"WOnder what your tits would feel like whilst your being fucked against my wall "

Next day = her travelling 3 hours to come see me.

Joke tho as I was proper ill so sex didn't happen, she stayed at her friends house till the next day when I was better. Then sex happened.

Thing I tell myself a lot is: Don't be all present buying, trip spending, money giving puppy till she's bent over enough times for you OR you genuinely feel something really strong for her (still wait a couple of shags)

I'm doing my best not to give up on you, but you really need to start using the stuff we've taught you effectively.

I don't spend hours of my life typing away on this form trying to help other people to obtain their goals in things where I once failed just to know our collective knowledge just gets disregarded or isn't implemented.

That being said, the trip isn't a terrible idea as it should give you undivided attention to your goal and escalate the hell out of her but I've got to say it isn't ideal either.

What you're doing is you're still doing shit for her when she doesn't deserve it, you're 'rewarding' her bad behaviour and making her reinforce her decision to think its OK to treat you like a flaming doormat.

For a euphemism, That's like me coming along and smashing up your car, then when you notice what I'm doing you would come out, confront me and give me $100 thanking me for my trouble - Trust me I'd want to do it again if I didn't get my ass kicked and it meant I'd also get $100 out of it!!! - Stop giving her this mentality, or she'll keep doing this to you.

I don't know how to explain this in a better way but this is not to be taken out of context or an excuse by any means to be degrading towards a women:

Treat a woman much like your little sister or a small child (not literally).
You would punish them for behaviour that is unacceptable to you or you disapprove of (like fucking you around) you do this by showing her disinterest / freezing out etc.

When she does something you approve of you praise her for it, so if she does stuff for you without asking her / makes you laugh etc. respond positively towards her.

Really push to get her laid on this trip because honestly if it doesn't happen then it will probably never happen.

I'd be surprised if you don't encounter some form of LMR (Last Minute Resistance) since the longer you're messing around running up her ass the more you fall into the 'Friends zone'.

Remember a "NO" definitely means NO but if she tries to evade by throwing a shit test at you call her out on it:

"We shouldn't be doing this" respond "I know... it feels naughty, but that's what makes it exciting"
"We should stop" respond "You know we probably should... but it feels so right"

DO NOT WIMP OUT AND CARRY ON!

Call her out on her shit, if you ever get stuck, freeze her out like it doesn't even bother you that your not having sex (don't be a jerk about it to her but show disinterest in her - its a real uncomfortable feeling for her) then try resume the Kino escalation ladder after 5-10 minutes, if it happens a second time freeze out for 10-15 minutes, a third time your probably just wasting your time.

E.g.
What I do say if a woman gave me LMR when I tried to take her top off, I'd freeze her out briefly and watch TV - probably watch the most boring shittiest show I could find and say "wow I love this show... its so interesting" *in a happy and pleased tone* then ignore her.
If she starts reinitiating I'd switch off the TV start Kino escalating a little then I'd stop and look her in the eyes and tell her "Take your top off" (make her do what she wouldn't let you do).

This must be said if she says some shit like "I don't want to ruin our friendship" just say "I understand" then after the trip, game other women and slowly rid of her out of your life because your probably wasting your time either, that or just accept you're in the friend zone and tell her to back off when it comes to running game on other girls.

If you don't get her laid, I'd willingly bet someone out there could, if they have any decent game going for them.

I can definitely see an improvement on your way of thinking since you started this post. keep it up man I know your trying!

I think to allow us to help you more and to help yourself more It would be good to explain your process of ESCALATION since I noticed your now kissing and holding hands. What is it your actually trying while "Kissing and Cuddling"? are you at least testing her compliance? If your not hitting resistance then your obviously not escalating enough.

Are you happy to stay at Kissing/Cuddling?
How far do you get before you run into resistance?
What happens when you get resistance? what do you do/say?
Have you read DiCarlo Escalation Ladder? the-dicarlo-escalation-ladder-vt16552.html

I would agree to go on to a new girl. I'm not a fan of freeze outs or anything that relates to thought out timing. Kissing and sex should be fun, not the be all end all. Escalate kino from the very beginning... I strongly suggest meditation for full control of your emotions.

No updates until I f-close her.

All the best bro, I know you can do this

At last, good luck!

Good luck bro! Please take in our words of advice..

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do it boi!

Its done. I f-closed her.

Details:
I stopped messaging her last week, replied only when she initiated. When she joined my office, we were working till late night, I escalated that night and did some warm up for the big game. We were physically comfortably after this.

Tonight, I brought her to my office, we had wine, we were watching a dog movie, mid-way I told her I wanna make out.

I started slowly by kissing her, fingering her and when she was really enjoying it, I went in. It was really smooth, best sex I had till date.

I finished the date by taking her to dinner and dropping her home.

She's really into me, she is saying all these romantic things to me and looks like wants to get into a relationship with me. I have the same feelings, but I haven't told her much.

Credit:

Had I not discovered this forum and had not got advice from TonyKing, Hammerofdawn, v00owen, Ilustrado, AFC Stevie J., BITmixit, Broncobuster, I would have been just another AFC.

I don't know how I can really thank them.

I am going to keep this thread as more of a journal and would love to have continuous advice from you guys whenever possible.

Any suggestions for next steps?