hey long ago I had hard time with approaching and opening but after I practiced a lot now I find it easy and fun to do. However now I notice I have another challenge.

Now I have hard time for exactly asking and having the number of the girl. Some times i feel nervous when i have to ask for it. If i do it too early she might reject, if I do ask for it i might have been waiting too long. Can you give some insights and suggestions of how and when is most appropriate time to ask for it?

I talk about day game

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When you see that she's:

-flirting with you
-touching you in any way
-asking YOU questions
-body language is facing you
-teasing you
-smiling at you

These are signs to go for it. I would ask within 15 minutes of the conversation. Just go for it. You need to start getting rejected to see how it feels, because it will help in your everyday game. The best way is to start asking and continue to ask more girls to gauge when it feels right. Every set will be different.

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I've been rejected number of times for now. I know how it feels. not very pleasant

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You're approach must be off. How are you doing it?

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Yeah you need to be looking for IOI's or indicators of attraction. Her asking you questions, investing in the interaction, smiling, laughing at all of your jokes, playing with her hair, etc.

Once you see these and she is comfortable(feels like she is comfortable to give you her number) You may encounter objections like i have a boyfriend etc. Just work around these don't get into why she should give you her number, just say "Great! I'm not looking for a relationship anyway, just friends.(Smile)"

Women like it and feel more comfortable when they have a "reason" for giving you their number. Such as a date you set up during the interactions(time bridging), you guys can meet up and discuss something you shared you have in common, do an activity together you both like, etc..Get the point? When im closing in interactions i ALWAYS try to time brigde and when i do, 9 times out 10 i get the number. Vs when i don't time brigde it may take a little more time.

Sluggler

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Every time is different. Most of the time i open with a ''environment related opener''
I look for something cool,strange or weird on her to comment on about usually C&F comment. Some times i just go like "Hey whats up" - that's usually when we hold eye contact for a while and usually they start to giggle so i'm like "hey whats up, whats the funny thing...blah blah blah"

And other times I do some bold weird things like just going next to a HB drinking from her bottle while she is on the beach or eating from her food or showing them middle finder(this one was for an especially high self esteem HB), - those things required me to do courage but it was fun after the encounter, however the result was they got scared or too emotional/angry.

I think the problem is holding a conversation. I have hard time holding a conversation after I do my 'fancy' opener. In the best cases they usually start asking me some questions like who are you but after this I go with the same like what do they do, study work etc. and I know its not good idea to talk about everyday things like those. Usually when I pick up with someone else(wing) it gets more funny and variegated conversation (if the wing is cool). But finding a cool wing is also hard. I want to also to be good doing it alone.

I'm posting new thread on this "having hard time holding a conversation"

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"Tell the world what you intend to do, but first show it."

Try a direct opener:

"Hey I thought you were cute I had to come over and say hi."

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whenever i get IOIs, enough to ask for their number, i tell them, "let me see your phone" and then i call myself, being pretty obvious, so they know i did.

you just got her number, and a DHV

yeah thats the next thin im going to try out

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The guys like Slugger had some good points as far as reading her body language in the interaction. the best way to do it if you don't have a lot of experience is, tell her you have to be somewhere else now and "let me get your number and i will text you later". A lot of times, they are going to be relieved that you are about to go away, or upset b/c they want you to stay, but either way, it's a reward for letting her know you are taking the initiative to leave the setting. The theory accomplishes a lot. One is, if they are very hot, they aren't used to guys going away on their own. When one acts like he's only somewhat interested, it intrigues them. if it's a girl who's going to ultimately sleep with you, she will give the correct number and answer the phone or text regardless of if she wanted you to leave when you did.

to piggyback on what Slugger said; I had one today I was talking to at a swimming pool. Cute friendly girl, but I didn't get the vibe she was interested so I never bothered asking.

ask her number? wtf? never did that and never will. if you have to ask her number then it's because she's not interested enough in having your number. otherwise she would be the one to ask your the number.

usually the conversation is something like that:
me: [neg] "so I've to go now"
her: "will I see you again?"
me: "depends... would you like to?"
her: "yeah..."
me: "why?"
her: "maybe we could have some fun another time"
me: [grabbing my phone and stop and smiling] "I don't known... you could be a stalker type or something..."
her: "come on give your number"

very different from:
me: "I enjoyed the time with you, please give me your number"
her: [random yes or no without much interest]

i understand your point. its much more cool when she asks you for your number and to see each other, how ever due to my experience i think most girls (5-7s basically) are too shy to ask you for your number or to see you again even if they like you.

Btw how long do you have to interact with the HB until you get to the point where she has to ask for your number.

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Dude, you're not asking for her breast size or the name of all her ex-boyfriends, you're just asking for her phone! Do not be afraid

If you had a good conversation, did some kino, generated rapport of some kind and built a decent amount of attraction (watch for IOI's) Then It's 85% likely that she WIll give you her #.

The ideal momento (in my opinion) to ask her number is when you're about to leave the set or the place you're at.

I usually say something like: (I'm about to leave set) "Hey, give me your number so we can continue with this later "

Now, if by any chance you happen to ask for her number and she says NO, try not being awkward about it, altough I know things can get awkward after such negatives and guys tend to get instantly pissed off or depresed because of it. You will not.

Instead, if she said no, try to have a good time and neg her and demonstrate MORE high value!!... (that's usually the problem when they say no, you haven't demonstrated enough value and/or generated enough attraction)... If you play it right, you can ask her number one last time before you leave set or place. Perseverance is one thing Girls like (NOTE: I mean perseverance, not being pushy, obsessed or misscalibration of a situation. If you see the girl IS REALLY NOT having a fun time with you, just eject and thats it).

Last weekend I tried # closing a girl that was within the same set of friends I was with.

We danced, talked a bit, danced more, by the end of the night at the bar I ask for her #, she said NO (was about to get pissed off but didnt, I knew I didnt built enough attraction and didnt show enough high value). All of my friends decided we would go get some tacos (late night tacos) I insisted I'd ride with her all the way to the tacos place. We got to the tacos place, I demonstrated so HIGH VALUE, I was FUN, THE MAN, I ignored her a bit, and She ended up sayin something like "If you give me a second chance blah blah...."

In the end I drove her home and asked for her #. She grinned and gave it to me.

Now she's really into me (Have dated her 2 times now).. But that's a different story

Just to prove to you that you have to make sure you're being funny, demonstrating the highest value, getting IOI's from her and in case of rejection, do not eject right away, assess the situation and consider being perseverant. If she's not into you, just eject. Rejection can be fun sometimes

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About Timing.

Usually the conversation has emotional peaks of attraction or Fun. Try identifying those Peak momentos of Fun (Usually you can find em when the conversation is really really fluid and both of you are talking and laughing much).... Try askin her number during those moments...

Try this: (you're both laughing your asses off over a joke you cracked or a funny anecdote)... YOU: "hey you're kinda fun, before I forget, give me yo number"...(do not forget to smile confidently while you pull out your phone...) Usually, if the girl is laughing and having a great conv with you, negs and Cocky and funny attitude are not that necesary, only during those emotional peaks for the rest of the night KEEP A STRONG FRAME AND PERSONALITY.

You must learn to calibrate and calculate the proper timing.

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How long? depends on the HB. It takes as long as I need for her to ask.
Sure girls can be shy but if they are really interested in you they will ask. I'm sure they will. it's flawless. it just depends on the way you put things. don't make things too serious.
you have to change the girl mentality. they'll need to think: "hum this guy is really cute and makes me laugh and he's very interesting and he's atractive and I would absolutely love to see him again. I would be very sad if I don't ever see him ever again. I don't want to ruin this opportunity"
so when the time is come to say goodbye you need to be funny and say something that would make her ask without any awkwardness or without being serious.
you must be the prize, you must be the desired thing. not the opposite. it's not you that want her. ofc you do but you are better and can get any girl in the world if you want so she's lucky to have you. you have to have this kind of mentality otherwise you'll be just another random afc asking for her number. ofc you eventually get lucky and have get numbers. but that's much harder to escalate from there.
I always known with 99% sure that if I game like this and if I she asks me for my number that I will fuck her sooner or later. it never failed.