While I do agree it takes at least some basic game skills to hit on a waitress, even greater to actually pull one!

My point is that even neweb's can gain some basic interaction skills, with a female. I mean very basic; "Hi how's your day?", "Thank you for such great service", What are some of the fun things to do in this city?" "Would you recommend the banana cream or the Strawberry pie?" extending you interaction slightly past the point of just saying HI to a woman.

All while practicing- Eye contact/self-assurance/confidence/proximity. Facing their fear!

Some newb's need to overcome even these basic social skills.

Michael Jordan already knows how to dribble.....some newbies do not.

I don't think any one is going to spit in your food for that!

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Practicing interactions is fine but don't be hitting on hired help, trust me they don't care for it a lot of times.

By the way why would you want someone to ask about a city, a meal, etc. That is boring conversation man, you want them to practice interacting by practicing those sentences? I guess you are right it's a start.

Trust me learning to read a waitresses body language is a horrible place to start. A good waitress is a flirt she knows that extra touch gets you more money, she knows flirting gets you extra money. I will not say it is good for reading body language it's a horrible place to start. Start with regular interactions where the body language is more congruent and thus easier to read.

You thinking waitresses are gods gift to newbs is just wrong. It's not a good place to start for many reasons it's a good place for average guys to start not newbs. I say go to a store environment where they still need to be friendly, you don't have to tip, don't need to bring you food, and you still can practice basic fast interaction.

Getting hired help isn't that difficult once you develop game but everything is a little more challenging with hired help. I've had waitresses ask for my number before (multiple times), I've gotten bartenders numbers, trust me its not that different than regular game but this is my point. If you have no regular game don't start with hired guns.

You seem to think that her reaction to you is only from you.... It's not it's from her day and that is why you need to be careful. Put it this way if you are nice guy but ordered the same shit as the last asshole her memory of you will be related to the last asshole. If you hit on her with same or similar as the last guy you can evoke a bad emotional reaction even if it is unrelated.

Hell you can joke with a girl and she can cry because of other things going on in her life. That is my point everything is not as it seems.

Start with store associates as your game develops switch over to waitresses, hostesses, and bartender. They are good practice for average but not newbs.

I am telling you this from a lot of experience. Skills is telling you this from a lot of experience. That is all I'm saying...


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Yes indeed boring, so, a lot of newb's struggle to even say Hi, your missing the point!

You are missing the point because you have game/experience.

I'm glad you have pulled waitresses. kudos Bro! So have I, so have most of the commenters above.
Then why do you do it?
Skills also points out
I'm not trying to shoot you down Bro, I'm saying basic human interaction with a female that is already in a position to interact in return IS a good place to start.

Indeed as I said before they need to use discretion, and tip well.

As far as body language...what better place to observe the opposite of what she is saying. Someone who is paid to be nice but body language indicate differently.

I'm not even saying you should take the advice...don't I don't give a shit!

If I pussy-ed out every time someone told me "Don't do that" "Don't say that" "Not her" "Not them" I would not be who I am now!

Have I felt like a fool? Made mistakes? Fuck yes! lots!

But if you keep doing the same thing you are doing, how the fuck do you think anything will change?

If your a Waitress and don't like talking to men.....look for another job!

Thanks for your input

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Skills was agreeing with me... Didn't you realize that? Look at the post where he rebuts me.

I don't game waitresses, as I said they have asked for my number. I'm just me and shit happens. With bartenders they put their number in my phone, literally. I don't game hired help they game me.

Waitresses are horrible for learning body language, they will lack congruency and for the reasons I stated it's not a good place to observe woman. This you will not get me to agree, as a body language guy I am very against using them for observing body language. I strongly disagree with this. THEY ARE PAID TO GIVE YOU FRIENDLY BODY LANGUAGE so it may not be congruent, microexpressions, microgestures, etc. are the real story. DO NOT TELL PEOPLE TO PRACTICE READING BODY LANGUAGE ON SOMEONE WHO GETS PAID TO LIE WITH BODY LANGUAGE FOR MORE MONEY. Go watch Waiting for a example of people being very good at faking body language for extra money. That is really the way people are in the serving business.

You seem to be missing all of my points and just saying the same thing bro. This isn't a productive argument. I even offered an alternative to do something similar until they are comfortable with more regular interaction and then go after waitresses. My point was it's not something a newb should do, it's not hard to be average with women the average guy gets what 3 women a year or less? You need to be a little rational rather than fight with me about your point listen to mine I've listened to yours and gave a rational answer back.

If the money is good people do crazy shit, so that point is incredibly moot. LOL get a new job, do you not understand human behavior at all?

By the way I understand your point about not listening, but if you don't listen you'll only learn the mistakes. A wise man learns from his own mistakes and a wiser man learns from the mistakes of others.

The tip doesn't come to her until after your spit filled food or she is agitated with you so again this is a moot point.

You aren't really helping with your argument just repeating same things that really hold no value against what I'm saying...


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Yes! yes! now I get it! thank you. Oh man, this is the happiest day of my life. Now I know how Barbra Streisand must've felt the day she married James Brolin.

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This was what I was thinking... I think its called a captive audience.

Today I was in a sushi place with a buddy... We had the two waitresses over and having a conversation.

HB: You could always write "I like you with your number on the back of the receipt"
Me: (big laugh) Yeah, but those guys are trying to have sex with you. Im not, Im talking about enjoying a hobby. ( we were talking about a mutual smoking hobby we shared)
HB: (dumbfounded look) Says something making fun of weak guys???
Me: (I go into a playful story when a waitress was trying to get my number and how I was able to stand out)

I was unable to number close. Should I have just backed off? She was sending IOIs to my friend but hes kinda shy. Any my target was the other girl. I guess thats why its practice.

HIRED GUNS —noun: female employees in the service industry who are generally recruited for their attractiveness, such as bartenders, waitresses, shot girls, and strippers. Origin: Mystery.



^ they are hustlers, and usually they are on automatic pilot, they had tons of game, and they have heard every possible line... So is like going into the ring for the first time with an ufc fighter... I think a newbie should start low, hb 5 or 6 gain some confidence then game the 7, then 8 then 9 and the occasional 10...

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it's okay to practice your small talk with them....."hey....food came out fast. you must have connections in the kitchen"...blah blah


Then, if you really need to interject astounding amounts of drama and turmoil into your life there is really no better way than to immerse yourself into the insanity that is the lifestyle of a stripper/bartender/waitress.

SPOT ON! Exactly what I was saying.

I just hung out with my boy who was a server until about 3 months ago last night, I was like "hey man, am I wrong about this because my female friends have said this." He looked at me he said "Women hate that shit... They like to joke or flirt but you are at work and it is some bull shit when a guy just hits on a woman."

I said "well would they spit in their food for doing it?" He laughed and said "fuck yeah we would have, we've spit in plates for sure."

I literally went to a source and got told EXACTLY what I have been told before.

Heywood, I know you put out a lot of good info. I like a lot of what you put out so I'm not trying to be negative, just trying to show you their perception, it's not a good place to practice BEGINNING game, but it's great to practice mid-game. Maybe a basic interaction but not much more, some flirting not flirting a lot. As I said I would go with store associates over waitresses to begin but you can transition in.

My bad on frustrating you but I was trying to make a point and you kept saying the same thing. You brought up me having game and it's a good place to practice, well YOU HAVE GAME too right? So why mention that I have game? I remember being a bit awkward in some interactions and having trouble talking to women. I also remember hitting on waitresses and getting mixed results, I get better results by just joking around and flirting than using any actual game on waitresses or bartenders.

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^ lol! sup with the spitting, usually dudes do that, no women, and usually at fast food places... And they do that to people that are annoying or rude...

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Guys will do it to protect the girls though too. It's not always the person it happens to that does it.

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I do this all the time, I never pressure them for a close, but they are good to try out some new lines you might of thought of and test the water with them.

Lots of them are actually really nice people too, there's no front, they are just nice