You're right goundy, I do like to reflect though. Whenever I have a chance to actually change something, I'll use it. But I'll keep going, don't worry.

@Ampho21: I'll post something in your thread, looks like you need the help!

Having the ability to reflect upon your sets is HUGE. The ability to analyze the set for stumbling points is crucial to not repeating them.

Many want to discuss 'what makes someone an mPUA"... and I don't think it's simply the ability to run/gun pussy like a fucking madman, or fuck the hired guns with ease... the mPUA is someone who simply understands what makes himself attractive, and he works to achieve that end. His appearance, demeanor, sense of purpose, self-confidence and his energy are all a product of that. They're all a sub-set of the man he's become.

But that's the beginning. He also knows concepts of game. He can create openers, he can adapt to failing sets, he will open anyone/anything - and always find his wit to help him. He's able to not give a shit if he's rejected because he understands the art of pickup is a science, and the science of pickup is an art. It's not a boiler-plate methodology to work on 'every' chick - it's a template to use based on trends and personality traits, a guideline.

Further, he doesn't need to spend a ton of money on a woman to gain her interest. He doesn't feel the sweaty palms all the time - maybe once a year he'll actually feel nervous - and she'll be hot as fuck...but he'll embrace the feeling, and appreciate it.

He can also dissect sets, and analyze them for direction....

(And he'll be his worst own enemy in a committed relationship......)


RR

There are good/bad points in everything. It just depends on what your goals may be.

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Got another entry. Just one approach, but it's more than nothing and I really didn't see a lot of desirable women or people in general lately (bout 3 days). So most of the time I just ended up hanging out with my friends and talking to the girls in my social circle.

I met this HB in the make up department of some store. I have a nice opener ready for those occasions, but not much of a follow-up. She's wearing tight pink jeans and a white top, plus a khaki-looking leather purse. She looks like she's definitely older than me, probably in her thirties (I'm 18 ). She's checking out some lipstick.

Me: I always take this one. (over my shoulder, pretty neutral and serious)
She laughs and turns to me for a short while.
Her: I can't really believe you.
I notice that I don't like her face at all! That kind of kills my interest. I can talk to an unattractive girl and develop a connection if she's in my class or something like that, but a cold approach where I only go after looks...? I decide to stay though, her body is nice.
Me: Ah man, you girls always talk about how men should be more feminine...so I decide to go for it ...
Her: ... and you don't even get honored huh? (still smiling)

I ejected. I don't know if she was interested and I don't really care. She gave me some EC, but only at the beginning. After that, she didn't really look at me. I should say that I had my book bag on, so it was obvious that I was just a HS student. And she probably had her own job, home and everything. I doubt she considered me as a real option.

I want to write down what I did well: I calibrated pretty good. My opener was pretty neutral and I matched her energy level when I followed up with some light C&F. Had she been shy, I would've done something else, like pace and just build social comfort. So I guess it was ok.

Nothing special guys but I just want to keep this thread alive. I wanna write down every approach so I can always look back when things aren't going great and I need some motivation. Plus, reading here kinda makes me proud

You should have had 20 more, my friend.

I can't stress the importance of getting OUT everyday has to your game. Becoming comfortable initially is the only way to escalate the conversation past "good morning, wow that coffee looks yummy".

When I started pick up - I wanted to lower the rejection-rate, and increase my ability to fuck women... Getting over AA, and the initial approach was just a beginning step in that process.

It works. It sucks sometimes - but that's just your brain trying to pull you back to old ways that never worked. Lern to ENJOY it, embrace it and go out all the time!

I literally open everyone I see (unless they have that 'fuck off' look tatooed to their face). A simple smile and "Hey there" can be a conversation waiting to happen.

Kudos for the effort, keep it up!!! But you can do better - and you KNOW you can.


RR

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You're still not comfortable yet. The conversation could have gone farther, but your brain talked you out of it. Turn back and work on having conversations with everybody; even mundane ones. Do it until you've done it so much they all seem to run together in your memory.

That's a lot of analysis for a two-line interaction. Your action/analysis ratio needs to be a lot closer.

i actually have respect for you

your doing great keep it up!

Day game is hard especially going direct as it is a hit or a miss.

One of my mistakes was asking interview questions (what you do? etc)

What i learned is just to listen to what she says and try question her about her statement

but its not straight forward as that its just practice practice practice

Soncheese x

Hey guys you're right. I wasn't really comfortable and interested but I ejected too fast. I shoulda stayed for the practice. Lately I didn't hit the city much but now school's over and I got time. I'll be working this summer but I'll try to be in town as often as possible.

Thanks Soncheese, I learned the same thing about day game and it's pretty hard sometimes but I try to push myself.

first of all ur doing great its awesome what your doing, i have met alot of people who red "The game" or "venusian arts" and still wont go out and talk to girls.

1,Ok bro its easy what you should do take all of those things you know about IOI's,Direct,Indirect, k-close, etc and throw it into the trash. the reason is you have so much problems is because you have so many things in your head that makes you screw up a lot.

2, go and stand infront of your mirror and talk as your talking to a HB(make it interesting) and while you do that learn from it, Practise ALOT.

3, i see a lot of my friends learn pick-up lines on the internet and use it on HB's but screw up a lot the reason is they dont feel it. you should FEEL that your confident and that you can reply back to any question the HB's asks you.

i hope this helps
Good Luck Man!

Thanks for the feedback ImLovingThis, I'll definitely put your tips to practice!

Like I said, I was out yesterday and I wanted to open as much as possible. I start with a lady in her 60s at the bus station and we chat about weather and what not. Not much to analyze, I just did it for the sake of socializing.

After that, I walk through the city and establish EC with as many people as possible. I say "hi" to about 4 of them and they all say it back!

By then I was in a pretty social state and I approach my first HB. She's standing there waiting for someone.
Me: Who are yiu waiting on?
Her: My brother (smiles)
Poof, I didn't know what to say, I just wished her a good day and went on. I coulda introduced myself, cold read, SOI....but I fucked up.

Next up I see a girl sitting on the stairs in front of a church.
Me: Who are you waiting on? ( dumbass opener, but it worked for me before)
Her: Someone
Me: Ok, could you be a bit more precise? (smiles)
Her: his name
Me: Who's that? (wtf was I thinking - three questions in a damn row?!)
Her: a friend of mine, why do you wanna know?
Me: I saw you sitting over there and you look interesting and I just wanted to see ithere's more to you than meets the eye.
Her: No. (smiles)
Me: Wow you must have a negative self-image.
Her: No, but I'm just waiting for a friend
I took the hint and left. There's so many mistakes I don't know where to start. I get better the second half, but I already fucked up everything before so it doesn't matter. Too many questions (invasive and creepy) no small talk, SOI etc. Things I rhought I eliminated.

Okay my state was a mess, but I wanted to keep it up.
A girl crosses the street to another store so I have a small time frame.
Me: Hey, can you stop for a second?
She looks at me, smiles and says "sorry im busy!"
Hey at least she was polite.

After that I was ready to call it a bad day. I see a girl looking at wallets. she's petite but cute.
Me: Hey, why are wallets for females always bigger then men's wallets? It's weird.
She rolls her eyes and leaves. Good thing I found out how lame she was before a waste of time in a convo.

All in all a bad day. I'm pretty comfortable delivering an opener and my BL and EC are good, that was positive. I approached and made experiences, positive too. But everything else fuckin sucked.

Set 2 still annoys me. What a bad conversational flow. I know I can do better because I did in the past. I don't know wha the hell I was thinking interrogating her. An observation, introduction, SOI...I coulda done it all.

Right now I wanna go out again just to show myself I can do better.

running out of things to say, and leaving sets before you have even started, you are probably just putting too much pressure on yourself to demonstrate some sort of value to her (as in there is some sort of ''right'' thing to say and you don't know what that is), you are leaving pre-maturely to protect your ego, the thought process is I fucked up so I should leave so that she doesn't hate me, then stay to see if you truly can do it reguardless of what she will think, playing to not lose, rather then playing to win

just give yourself permission one day to say some really retarded things that you think are awesome and fail, try to clear your mind completely and focus on what is outside of yourself, focus on what you are looking at and your breathing, try to stop thinking, and just feel good, then just vomit happy words onto girls, if you can't think of what to say, say exactly what thought is in your mind at the current time, no matter how stupid, even if it is 300 questions in a row, as soon as you release that thought, a new one will pop into your head, try to consistently clear your mind, and keep your focus outside of your body, the more nervous you are feeling, the more it makes sense to keep things simple, even if you say some downright retarded shit, if you think it is awesome in your head, it will probably come out awesome, just set the bar lower and try to turn your brain off and pay attention to what is outside of your body more then being internally focused, if your thoughts are racing, focus on your breathing and try to stop thinking, just put your brain power into focus on your feelings, breathing, and what you are seeing outside of yourself, and continue to clear your thoughts through expressing them and external focus, and wait for a girl to break the set, let her make it absolutely clear she is not interested before you leave, you stay in that set until you win, instead of leaving before you lose, and if you still are stuck and your brain is frozen, chances are there is something that is in your head that you could clear out and express, but you are afraid to state it, do not be afraid, just let it fly if you feel it

example: (you thinking... ughhh i don't know the right thing to say)
you:ugghhh.... now I don't know what to say
her: *looks at you somewhat confused*
(new thought pops into your head, uhoh she is giving me a weird look)
you: uhoh that look means something, what is it?
her:I donno
(wow she is not helping me out here, she probably feels weird that I just randomly came up, this would be way more awesome if she was a bear that could talk or something)
you: wow, you're not very talkative, I know it's weird to come talk to strangers and stuff, but if you were a bear or something that could talk, that would be more awesome then this is right now... sort of like winnie the pooh, ya know?


and so on, and so on

just stop thinking for a while, get comfortable just getting into a good mood, and vomiting retardation onto girls, have a very limited idea of one thing at a time you want to practise, and set mini goals to accomplish in order to practise those skills, keep it simple, calm yourself down, and lower your expectations, take the pressure off yourself to perform something golden, you don't have to sleep with every girl you talk to, take it easy on yourself and enjoy the ride

for example, for starters, 2 mini goals could be

1) let a girl know why you are talking to her and be honest about it
2) go for a phone number before you leave no matter how it goes and follow up

once you get more comfortable with just vomiting retardation onto girls and you find you are having fun doing it instead of caring if it works or not, then you can add more specific goals reguarding building social skills, and you can also focus on being a little more honest with your intentions and genuine in your approach, eventually you will start to notice some commonalities in behavior between women and find some solutions to re-occuring problems you are having in set, and if you have no idea how to solve these problems, post them in the sticking points board and start to maintain a field reports journal (you are basically already doing this)

at some point your mind frame is going to have to change from ''I FUCKED UP'' to... ''well.. she wasn't very fun to talk with, wounder why'' , external focus, rather then internal focus

GOOD LUCK and send me a pm if you would like your thread moved to the field reports section, I would be glad to do so for you

Good post man. I agree with what you're saying and I'll be putting it to practice soon. Looking back, I was whining too much in my post. I approached and I was honest, and I'm happy about it. I didn't back down and I kept goin even when my state was low. I know I should stick around longer and a bit more honesty couldn't hurt.

I'll go with your post pumpington. A bit less outcome dependence should help.

hey mate,

Best thing you can do. What i want to add is just this perception: when you are a bit less outcome dependent, it leaves space for a bit more ballsy things you can try... like for example the phone numbers (if you are ejecting anyway) or some other statement of interest in her.

Indeed it is true that some interest in implied when you approach, women do know that. I am going to use a quote coming from Juggler:
Big difference! This is what i actually meant some posts ago when i said that women dont really know your intent, but assume the worst . The worst being that you are not really interested in sex with her, but just in sex.

So perhaps you could go towards a bit less outcome dependent and from there perhaps a bit more ballsy... .

Its just an insight that i want to share, as i do know you arent really up for direct game. I am not saying go completely direct, but perhaps you should consider more concrete statements of interest.

Anyway, keep it up amigo! You will get there eventually. Just dont lose hope, nor your motivation. Back in the days, i had such results as well. And you know what? Many years later i know a lot more, and i still get burned like a can of gasoline sometimes.

Example, a couple of months ago i approached a hot asian girl. She was parading all evening, and many men were gazing. I just approached. I saw many of those men grin but it didnt scare me. I opened my mouth, said hi... she looked at me from top till toe and just turned her back at me. Much to the amusement of the dorks watching. It hurt my ego more then i would like to admit, but hey . Thinking back, it was actually pretty amusing and stuff like that keep it interesting.

So, bravo for keeping up, even through the bad days.

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Sucker love I always find,
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Alright I haven't posted in a while and I gotta work for another 2 weeks. So I won't be online as much cause I'm gone all day. But just cause I can't approach as much doesn't mean I'll quit. I opened all my new coworkers today.

I got a direct approach in yesterday (my last day of freedom lol):
She left a store and didn't look too busy.
Me: Can you stop for a second?
She stops.
Me: Look I don't run around the city approaching girls all day but I noticed you and you look like an interesting person! So what's your name?
We exchange names and small talk. It was a weird convo because I never stopped a girl as long as her. Just an example:
Me: So you look pretty young are you still going to HS?
Her: No I go to college in -small city 120miles away-
Me: So what brings you here? I've been to your city and it's much prettier than this.

Basically it was maybe a minute. I commented a lot and I just kwpt talking and asking. I was definitely leading the convo and I followed pumpingtons posz because I was honest. It felt like I was cleaning out my consciousness, I just said whatever came to mind.

She looked like it was pretty awkward to her though. She stopped for me and gave me her name and stroked her hair etc. But I never lost the feeling that she was actually busy and had somewhere to be. Whatever, another approach and I'm getting more comfortable in set every day. I think I did a good job calibrating. It's sometimes hard for me to read girls and say "ok she's ready for teasing/ she needs qualificatin/comfort/whatever." Sometimes, it's obvious, but not always.

I guess this comes with experience right? Anyway I posted to let y'all know I'm still going on.

been following your "diary" for a while.

You are certainly making progress, keep it up. One thing I noticed (aside from the lipstick story) is that you generally don't inject much humor...all seems a bit "serious".

I call on humor as soon as I possibly can, and if there's nothing to make fun of, I'll force it into the conversation, a silly story, even if its canned that you made up, doesn't matter, have a few of them, and you should at least find a point pretty soon into the convo where you can add it.

Even something as simple as a name......if you get her name go "nooo, that can't be right, you look more like a (insert old skool grandma name)"

Nearly always gets a laugh, and you can then side step it with a "just kidding, nice name"....most of the time, she will ask why on earth you thought of that old skool name for her, then just flow with it with some silly reasons.

Hope you didnt mind my opinion Keep at it

Keep it up. Just remember you're in a "wax on, wax off" training stage now. High repetition, low difficulty. Your goal is to make approaching and small talk as simple as taking a breath.

Don't analyze or add new material yet. It will only discourage you.