I read a post talking about this. It seemed true from my observation.

Not so much from my side, I mean, PUA has a TON to offer and even outside relationships.

The stuff we all want, FAST and EFFECTIVE ways of improving our lives.

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Not really, but 95% of the guys that get into this, don't become awesome at it.

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Thanks, I think this is much better to describe the Pickup situation.

From my experience, PU is a whole system for improving your life. It takes hard work, but the aspects of my life it has most benefited are not just getting down with girls. Look at many of the other posters on this forum. Most have very few (less than 100, often times less than 10) posts. They join for a week or two, maybe ask a question that they don't like the answer to, then move on. I think most people think PU is some magic formula where you can discover the one secret line that always guarantees you pussy. It's about quick and easy sex. Then, when they figure out that's not what it's about, they leave and either become complacent in their miserable life, or continue to search for the magic spell to make life easy. It takes hard work to create the life you want, not a series of shortcuts. True PU is not a shortcut.

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99 percent give up. 90 percent give up after one month, the other 9 after getting a gf.

The one percent that continue do it for various reasons.

From 1000 guys viewing this forum, only 10 are regularly sarging.

A question has to be asked how many guys are just going out with friends and just doing what some normal guy with friends is doing. Can u actually call that PUA.

Using non pua methods is the soft option for most guys like social circle and drunk game. Not making any judgements here. Horses for courses as they say.

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Thanks, I think I am on the edge of giving up and I am using my social circle a lot to get dates. However, due to the large amount of time and energy I have spent and the expectation, I would keep doing this.

The so called wingmen I went out with usually:
1.talk to guys
2.talk to ugly girls
3.a lot of social talk and goes nowhere
4.cannot make one approach
5.teach other guys how to do it
6.too much analyzing and no approach

Most of them stop going out night and I chose not going out with them.

I have not seen one pick up artist yet. sigh

Now I only make very few approaches every week. I either got rejected or flakes.

After learning these stuff for several months, I am really frustrated.

At first, I was super happy just by having conversations with beautiful girls. Then the excitement diminished. Now I am not excited at all even when I got numbers because I had this expectation I would not get date or lay.

I just borrowed one NLP book. Another reading again.

if your goal is a SNL (same-night lay) screen for that.
if you have a number, and enough rapport, you can get a day2 (a date, even though you should not call it such).

of course, SNL and dating are not mutually exclusive. but that's a different topic.

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"It's disrespectful not to bang them when they sleepover." (Hellhound)

Pick-up is like any hobby. Most are real excited at first, get to where the work outweighs the payoff, then lose interest.

Another thing about wingmen.

Some of them would really piss off if I do not follow their suggestions and they are very satisfied with just talking and getting numbers from ugly girls.

LOL

They get this side effect of PUA and I have this side effect as well.

plus one. Everyone gets obsessed about giving advice, people get pissed off when their advice is rejected.

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The Jackal an Introduction.
[link]

The Field Reports.
[link]

The Lay Reports.
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....Thank those dudes.

They're part of the reason 'game' continues to work...

Think about it this way - the AFC tries to learn 'game'... He then flames heroically... THEN - he's going to TRY and remove the PUA's frame by bad-mouthing him to women. "Watch out if a guy says blah blah blah...he's a player".

The PUA realizes this is a DHV spike for himself. When the girl accuses him of being a 'player' 'casanova' 'pick up artist'... he embraces it - DEFENDS it, and gains acceptance AS a PUA. It provides credibility to your actions, and shows the AFC as the jealous-type Beta that can't simply build attraction without destroying someone else in the process.

For every woman, there is an angle, spin, statistic, gambit, approach, opener etc... that will work. PUA's merely adapt accordingly.

As 870 said yesterday so eloquently... All the woman needs is "The right guy, the right time and the right attitude..."

Best,


RR

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