Until I read how much activities you had within a month span I thought you reaction was solid. If you've spent that much time with a woman inside of a month she has grown attached. You've admitted you've grown attached to her.

You talked to her like a 3 night stand. You spent time with her like she was more than a fuck buddy. This was the issue, you treated her like more. If you want a fuck buddy than you need to put it out loud and clear I guest wrote two blogs on fuck buddies on my blog they are in the menu. One on developing the relationship and another on keeping it ( do not do date/bf activities unless you want to date/be a bf).

Instead of thinking from your perception think from hers for a second(Hobbit, SA, and 870 were eluding to this), you were spending a lot of time with her, she was feeling that it was more than fucking (and rightly so based off the time spent together).

Titles mean a lot to women her being your girlfriend and you being her boyfriend are important to women. It's like you can live with a woman for 5 years, have 2 kids, but if you aren't married a woman will almost always say they aren't married because he never gave her the wedding, it's as if she is partially available in her mind.

It's fine to be a man and know your emotions but it is also important to remember if you love women as a whole to treat them individually with respect and that means you listening and being empathetic here and there. Yes it is rough to be the understanding guy because this means exposing yourself a little but you exposed yourself a whole lot with your statements.

I'm not at all saying I wouldn't have reacted the same but you set this up with your behaviors when you hung out with her. You didn't treat her like a fuck buddy you treated her like you were dating, the next step in dating titles.

Just kind of my thoughts... I understand your behavior, you went into player/PUA mode. Don't forget to not be too selfish though. Maintain your frame but try and keep in mind she is a human and gained feelings don't punish her simply because she suffers from emotions... It would be unrealistic to expect any less from her.

Peace and Love

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She called yesterday. I wasn't even going to answer it... then realized it was pointless. I wanted to talk to her.

We talked for a while. LSS - I think it was a shit test. She's downplayed it so much to the point I think she said it simply to guage my own interest.

When I asked her about specific things I'd said, her comment was "I know, but I wasn't sure I could believe you" to which I replied "Then what were we doing? If you were going to doubt everything I said as it is - I could have just shut up".

Then we discussed that evening with her that shit went down. I asked her "So if you just got done giving me incredible head (She loves giving a BJ), and while I'm laying down naked I said 'So am I your boyfriend now?' I mean there's a brunette that would love to take your place right now and I need to plan for the future'.... what would you have done?"

She said "Wow... I am such a bitch." I said "No, seriously, I'm not angry at all. It's just unsettling. Just like you want to be the princess, I want to be the Prince as well... But... knowing Prince Valiant, Prince Phillip and Prince Fred are right around the corner waiting to take my place isn't really that cool. I'm better than that.". She agreed the statement was stupid, and that the timing was off for the entire scenario, saying the other guy means nothing and that he wasn't really ever an issue (hinting to me that it was a shit test). Skills, I went your route then... I told her - "No, he meant something. You mentioned him in bed naked. But - you're an incredible lady; I'm sure he's a great guy."

We also discussed my "throwing her out cold on the street" (her words). I challenged that, and pointed out that she has a very nice SUV, lives in her own place less than 15 minutes away, and it was sunny in July in South Florida...I suspected she was OK. She laughed and when we discussed perceptions, she agreed the entire situation could/should have been handled differently. I said "By both of us".

We'll talk next week. I told her it's best to just let it all marinate and see where things are after the dust settles.

I'll have a heart-to-heart with myself this weekend. I've not been in touch with my own intimate feelings in a long while. I think they need to get dusted off. I really don't know how I feel.


RR

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Dude you like this girl, and you have a MILD ONITIS GOING ON...Trust me(the incredible bjs have a lot to do with it, i have been there)
too many little games going on, when i am with women i am blunt, and i teach them and encourage them to be as blunt as possible, i go like "lets have an honesty session, not holding back" and then i explain to her that the point is to be as blunt as brutally honest as possible...
Men love RESPECT(that is why you got so pissed and reactive about the other dude she is seing) women like SECURITY( she knows there are other women and you do not want commitment, after 3 fucks they usually start getting attach and acting up with the shit tests)...
good bj(may get you hooked and addicted, make sure it does not cloud your judgment hahahaha), rr the boyfriend line i feel like killing you dude, how could you talk so afc with your level of experience, omg dude, huge mistake(i am telling you, you have mild onitis going on fucking up your game)
yea, she was shit testing what i thought, anyways, listen dude all that prince shit and all this talk is weak, as i said your mild onitis fucking up your game, you have to behave and act, like you do with the other girls, NOT OUTCOME DEPENDENT...
Dude irrelevant
I told you about this i think on the sex man post, the typical player, natural or pua(not abnormalities like the sex man and even the sexman had a gf he fucked up with) ...We after a break up(which i believe you had about a year back) go on a rampage of fucking women, then then then i told you this, we get what 60yoc call i forgot, the affection need, gf, partner normal human need(that girl).... I warned you a while back this was gonna happen...I was there were you are.. Anyway you have a mild onitis going on, you need to recognize that, cause that is the easiest way to fuck up on your game(scarcity) even IF YOU HAD OTHER WOMEN, i had 5 girls and i had onitis over my current gf( and she knew i had other 5 girls) one even knock on the door, on another one she walked in, other women( your weapon that you keep using with this girl) is IRRELEVANT(she knows and sense you like her and you do not give a fuck about the other ones)...

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i'm learning so much from you guys right now.

Damn Skills... You're right.

You're dead on....I'm getting chicks - that's not the issue... I've been slaying shit - but THIS chick is in my dome. It's funny, I felt rather strange saying it - the words were piling out - and I had a sense of self-justification later... Damn. Yeah, I let this chick affect me.

Fuck!

I need "me" time. LOL....

Thanks people.



RR



....what I'm thinking hard about now is... usually, I'd have never answered the phone. When I blow a chick out, I am done - usually... Fucking A.

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@ OP, shes 48!? You can get better, around 35-42 IMO.

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OMG What am I going to wear to the wedding? Chicken or Fish?

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@ newpua2012 What is better? Better is different for each individual!

RR you will get this all sorted out in no time bro.


Peace...

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Whoa, slow down there cowboy. She is a beautiful female with feelings not one of your fucking dumb bulls!

You got angry (and secretly a bit jealous)

MUCH better would have been something like this:

Her: Am I your girlfriend now?
Me: hey baby (laughing) you know you are the girl of my dreams. Remember Arnold and Sharon stone in Total recall = perfect.

Her: The reason I ask is that I'm 48, and I want to plan for my future. There's this other guy I dated a while back who wants get serious, so I wanted to know if you did.....

Me: Totally ignore that shit (read Carlos Xuma) as you are busy with your own more important thoughts.

Again joke and give her ass a slap and say "go and fix some drinks or food etc"

What happened is that you escalated into anger and aggression. I have done the same thing many times and remember yelling at one chick " I fucking own you, bitch or you are out, OUT!" and this is not Alpha at all and not cool.

Some of the posters on this thread saying to fuck her off are wrong. They think that being hard to women is good and shows dominance and power.

Totally wrong.

Real power is very often what you do NOT say and what you do NOT do and how you do NOT react.

What women say 99% of the time means fucking nothing! They do not possess logic and reason like we do.

It's all in the body language and you should have known this (and you know you do).

What she really meant was: "I really like you a lot and want to know what you feel as well"

End of story. Ignore this shit or respond with a tease but not with savagery or kicking her out.

As for the other guy. He is beta and a joke. Actions are all. Words are nothing. She is with you and fucks and sucks and loves it. What does that say? To me it says everything.


You know I love ya cowboy and we have a lot in common so I am sorry to bust on you like this but you were not at a rodeo with the good ole' boys swigging moonshine. This was a gentle, tame and cool women in your arms with feelings.

You may wanna come kick my ass after reading this but tough shit as you couldn't do it

PS You know you over reacted

PPS You know that you really like her as well. LOL It does not have to mean you are committed. They are the ones who commit to US.

PPS A salvage operation is needed with you being kinder to her without any apology being made next time.

Man, Threads like this are why I joined. Great views and advice. Im hesitant to comment with some many masters in one room. But RR I respect your reaction. Ive had it both ways... Im not competing and ok, Im happy for you. Honestly, I feel that once someone breaks the pretense of the relationship its hard to ever put it back. Now youre in this strange place of giving up your non-commitment views somewhat by force. That never sits well in the long run. Ive never enjoyed the relationship Im in when, looking back, I felt like my arm was twisted. But I feel for you man! Good luck.

Hi all, I signed up to this forum because of this thread (been lurking for a few months)

I've just come out of the exact same situation and your replies in here have been very helpful. That video is also very good. Thank you.

Strange twist.

I drove there today and just laid it all out there. Game, MY game, her shit-test (the fact the conversation would have taken place differently elsewhere), feelings, fears, commitment-phobic tendencies....

End result:

My new girlfriend and I are going to enjoy a quiet evening home tomorrow night...

Yeah... I found myself pulling away from anyone or anything other than her. I actually want to give this a proper chance. No more sarging. If I don't give this a decent shot - I'm wasting my time....

Thanks for all the commentary - I appreciate it.


RR

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Well done!

She is tame and all over you.

Any more tests in future and either ignore her or tease her.

It's all in the body language buddy. Pretend you are deaf when she yaps sometimes and just look at her actions.

I do this a lot recently and it's pretty funny as they really do not mean hardly anything they say.

Get her on top, put a cowboy hat on her as she rides.

She knows that she has a real man and not a fucking beta always telling her love shit etc.

It's your frame.

You mention no more sarging? really?

IMHO this can cause oneitus.

Maybe keep all options open and sarge just a little bit.

It does not mean you have to f close anyone else for the time being, more to keep your hand in and to let you know and believe that she is not the ONE. You are the ONE. She must please you and she is the committed one. You have options as usual.

I would also never qualify yourself again by referring to other women or showing her texts etc.

It is clear in her mind that you have these options waiting at any moment.

Treat it as a given.

Always your frame buddy.

Make her serve you food wearing the hat. LOL. She is the cowgirl.

The implication of who is the king will be enough.

Best of luck.

LOL.... James.... You're killing me. I actually have this desire to actually want to actually be monogomous with this one woman (I know, boggles MY mind, too...).




Um... I may find that 'relationship' area in the forum... I'm a novice with them. Every one has ended in abject failure. The odds aren't on my side - but if I'm going to try - I've got to give it my all. She deserves that - I deserve that.

I feel pulled into this, but also don't feel pressured... I can't explain it. She challenges me. Ever have one of those moments where you enjoy every word she is saying but you want to fucking attack her at the same time - and you realize the whole time you're thinking this... she's asking a question and you have no idea what the fuck she said? So... you admit it, and she kindly repeats herself before she mauls you on your bed??? Yeah...that's what I'm dealing with... LOL

Fingers crossed...

Best,


RR

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