I'm sure those who have been into game a while and are either good or getting good will already know this. We've all been in the situation where a girl has turned to you and said "hold this" as she offers her purse to you, and I'm sure many, if not all of us have at one time or another answered "sure" and then stood there holding her purse/bag for 5 minutes whilst she goes off to get a drink, go to the toilet, talk to someone.

I was out a few nights ago and the girl I was gaming was constantly asking me to hold her bag, it's a compliance test and a shit test at the same time. Each and everytime she asks I would look at here and simply say "no" with a smile, I'd much, much rather come off as a dick and blow myself out than become her purse holding bitch. Saying no to holding her purse then turning your body away from her will create an attraction spike for you.

NEVER, hold her purse.

I've been known to take it and immediately hand it to one of the guys I'm with. Act almost as if they were the one the girl originally wanted to hold the purse and I'm just passing it along.

hey mate,

honesty, i hold purses. I dont mind. It has never ruined me before, because i obviously dont mind holding her purse. I dont think it makes me look like a douche nor a pussy. It might make me look gay, but i dont mind.

I might just stand there, showing my purse to anybody who might be interested, i might just walk away with the purse. I might even open girls i see, showing my new purse.

I might pretend to be freakishly gay and say something like this:
-me: "hey, look at my new purse. its prada."
-her: Prade is shoes
-me: shut up bitch, you are just jealous .

Some people play along, others look at me like they are going to kill me. I dont care. If i ran of with her purse, she usually comes to fetch me. one time i switched purse and i stood there like a boss-bitch. She had not seen the switch and there i am, with a purse that is not hers. Good fun .

It will only ruin you if you let it ruin you.

cheers

cheers

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Sucker love I always find,
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The point I was making though is that taking her purse and holding it is a compliance test and by doing it, you're DLVing yourself. The way you frame yourself once you take the purse might redeem you slightly, but by saying no and not being her bitch in the first place, the attraction she feels will be that much higher.

If a girl give me her purse I be looking thru it and making comments on what I find in it. I won't take anything from her or steal anything, but I find that every time I have done this girls have learned NOT to give me their purse. Why say no when you got a opportunity to be cocky and funny on something?

Hey mate.

I dont agree with your point. If she says: bark and you bark, yeah. If she says: jump and you jump, yeah. If she says: hold this, and you just stand there, longing for her to get back and release you of this terrible burden, yeah, then you are her bitch. If you take all this, all night, you are her bitch.

You talk about framing yourself... that is exactly what you should be doing. Frame and reframe. it is YOU who sets the frames, not her. If she gives you her purse, and you stand there and wait like a good doggy, that is actually possible! As long as you later on do the same with her. Give her your drink and say: hold this for me, then walk away and say hello to somebody else. If she walk away with your drink, give her some shit doing it, some cocky funny one-liner. Bam, you reframe.

It is you who should have the last word/frame. Mirror compliance tests. If she doesnt want to after you have held her purse like a good boy, say: excuse me? I stood tehre and held your purse. I am not your bitch . So, hold this for me.

You cant measure attraction. There is no attraction meter and there are no techniques that make the meter go up with 0.75 degrees. There is only enough attraction or not enough attraction. And as long as you are doing whatever you want to do and she follows you, there is enough attraction.

So, i can understand you dont want to hold the purse, just because you dont want to. And that is ok. But i think its bullshit to say that accepting the purse will ruin you.

cheers

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Like the naked leads the blind.
I know I'm selfish, I'm unkind.
Sucker love I always find,
Someone to bruise and leave behind.
placebo - every me, every you

Is there any basis to say that holding a purse will ruin you? What if she actually needs to go to the bathroom and you are the only one around, are you still going to say no?
I mean if you hold her purse while she is talking to a guy that is 20 feet away then sure that is not something you should do but it really depends on the situation.

Okay, perhaps saying it will "ruin you" was a bit of an exaggeration, but as a general rule of thumb, at least for me, I'd always say no. Why? Reasons listed below,

1. You're complying with her, unless she jumps through my hoops first, I'm not jumping through hers.

2. To everyone else in that place, they're going to subconsciously notice you taking her purse, those nearest to you may even hear her ask you, this lowers your value.

3. Saying "No" to something isn't rude if said in a fun, playful way, I never had a bad reaction from saying no to holding a purse.

I get that in certain situations and if you can frame it right once taking her purse, then it's okay, but personally as a rule of thumb I'll always say no but of course in a playful way. If its just me and her and she wants to go to the bathroom I'll especially say no, sitting alone with her bag, purse and probably coat will look even worse, she can take it with her.

If I was talking to a friend, male or female, and they asked me to hold something for them while they go to the restroom I would do so, I dont see why I should act differently towards a girl I like. How is a standard favor lowering your value?

Danzella is right.

I've been put through those shit test few times.
Say "No" may be a bit of a weakness because you indicate you feel uncomfortable, but saying something like "I have an allergy to purses" is a lot of fun.

Shit tests - they might happen any time of the day by random girls even girls you're not gaming. It's a test to show "Who's the boss".

The shit tests I remember now:

- Few people going to a club. I sit in the back seat and HB10 sits to me and asks me to tie her sleeve. I pretend I don't hear and she asked the guy in the front seat.

- I'm having a lunch break, but very horny for some reason and make and keep eye contact with an old bitch. She comes to my table leave her coffee cup and says she will go to the restroom. I finished my lunch. She wasn't around, then I left.

True shit tests.

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I love that! Definitely going to start using that instead of just saying "No"

My standard protocol when being asked to hold purses. Which only happens in queues around here.

Girl: "Could you hold this a second" *hands me purse whilst she does some girl stuff*

Me: *Instantly turns around, talking to people near me/behind me* "Hey guys/girl...do you wanna buy a purse? its a pretty quality purse, 20 quid? im pretty sure theres 20 quid in there so its a steal"

By then she will have noticed, grab purse, act annoyed, call you a dick but find it funny.

Also if you dont want to hold her purse ever again just state that you would definitely have sold it and she owes you drinks for loss of money.

I think some people started splitting hairs here, and perhaps there was a reason for it. Game can be complex, and there are many situations where variations in the male response would be different.

What is important in the context of the post is that Danzella recognized it as a sh*t test and used one established method of dealing with it. Other methods may also work depending on the situation and the girl. For example, you could take the purse, immediately open it and say "FREE LIPSTICK HERE!!!! CAR KEYS FOR FIVE BUCKS!!! ONE FREE USED DIAPHRAGM....WAIT, NO, THIS DAMN THING IS WORN OUT...."

One thing I've noticed about sh*t tests is that if the woman doesn't appreciate the man she is talking to, she will use a sh*t test that emasculates or feminizes the male, like holding a purse or putting makeup on him. If a woman gives you this type of sh*t test, calling her out may put her in her place, but it will be unlikely that beating her test will stimulate attraction the same way it does when a girl is like you and is simply testing your character and/or social intelligence. In other words, when you beat a sh*t test like this, it is probably best to move on to a different girl.

So instead of never holding her purse, shouldnt the thread title be dont be a fucking doormat?

Does most of this include in different situations? Gaming women, girlfriend, ex-girlfriend, etc? What if the girl says her purse is heavy and wants you to help her carry it?