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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 9:31 am 
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A Confident "Alpha" Man owns his emotions, they do not own him.

A Confident Man doesn't worry about such things, this is the root of the problem.

If you understand attraction, courtship, you realize that some of these guys have SOMETHING going for them. They are attracted to them for a reason, why should one worry about something like a guy with a girl? Jealousy of a total stranger with millions of hot women is quite illogical, irrational and not the behavior of a Confident Man.

The issue is not that he shouldn't feel free to express his emotion, it is that something so ridiculous is effecting him emotionally. WHY? This is an issue, him letting his emotions own him to the point of doing outrageously douchie behavior (wrenching peoples game only makes you a douche bag to them) is not the behavior of a Confident Man.

Do you see what I am saying? It shouldn't be a why him. So much as a good for him, that's awesome that average Joes bag the chick here and there. (Which you did mention.) Who cares if she is with some guy you think is below you? Move on.

Nothing was confident about his mindset, behavior or character. None of this should have effected him, this is the problem. You are confusing understand freedom to express your emotions as confident when the issue really is the motivation for the emotion.

How can you game girls with this mindset? It's horrible to think you should be in this mindset when trying to grab girls, do you think a girl is going to like that? Na you need to be the attractive male and that is not the behavior of an attractive male. Just go out there and be attractive talk to the girl you want be with unless you are going for someone taken.

I'd have to agree that you should just join the social circle and work through a little of it.

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I'm not disagreeing with you, man. But I think you're so caught up in this "BE CONFIDENT BE ALPHA" headspace that you've entirely missed my point. Yes, him trying to tool another dude was definitely the wrong thing to do, but don't pretend you don't know what it's like to be frustrated. Being frustrated is what brought you here. Being tired of settling is what made you go out and better yourself. And seeing other guys have what you want is what inspired you to be "alpha."

I'm not telling him to stay home and cry about it, I'm telling him to take that frustration and use and redirect it so that he can go out and get what he wants. Which is (gasp, BIG REVEAL) him owning his emotions and making them work for him.

Saying "be confident" and "be alpha" is like telling a beginning weightlifter to "be strong". Obviously the guy has his own inner game issues to sort out, but the soap-box reaction and lack of empathy seemed too cheesy for me to let slide. Again, I don't disagree that he had the wrong headspace, but stop drinking the Kool Aid. You were there once too.


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 9:34 am 
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usually, i don't even go that far. i straight up act as if i'm genuinely interested in what the guys have to say (a little "man to man" convo.), the girls feel left out and come around all by themselves, butting into the convo. i then neg them for it to create a little spark like, "can't you see we're having a conversation, marion? gees" then she's like, "i'm not marion! i'm bianca!" i'm like, "ok, that's great." turn to the guy, "is she always this attention seeking?" she comes around again, this time opens me. then i start gaming her.
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A Confident "Alpha" Man owns his emotions, they do not own him.

A Confident Man doesn't worry about such things, this is the root of the problem.

If you understand attraction, courtship, you realize that some of these guys have SOMETHING going for them. They are attracted to them for a reason, why should one worry about something like a guy with a girl? Jealousy of a total stranger with millions of hot women is quite illogical, irrational and not the behavior of a Confident Man.

The issue is not that he shouldn't feel free to express his emotion, it is that something so ridiculous is effecting him emotionally. WHY? This is an issue, him letting his emotions own him to the point of doing outrageously douchie behavior (wrenching peoples game only makes you a douche bag to them) is not the behavior of a Confident Man.

Do you see what I am saying? It shouldn't be a why him. So much as a good for him, that's awesome that average Joes bag the chick here and there. (Which you did mention.) Who cares if she is with some guy you think is below you? Move on.

Nothing was confident about his mindset, behavior or character. None of this should have effected him, this is the problem. You are confusing understand freedom to express your emotions as confident when the issue really is the motivation for the emotion.

How can you game girls with this mindset? It's horrible to think you should be in this mindset when trying to grab girls, do you think a girl is going to like that? Na you need to be the attractive male and that is not the behavior of an attractive male. Just go out there and be attractive talk to the girl you want be with unless you are going for someone taken.

I'd have to agree that you should just join the social circle and work through a little of it.

Peace and Love

Vic
I'm not disagreeing with you, man. But I think you're so caught up in this "BE CONFIDENT BE ALPHA" headspace that you've entirely missed my point. Yes, him trying to tool another dude was definitely the wrong thing to do, but don't pretend you don't know what it's like to be frustrated. Being frustrated is what brought you here. Being tired of settling is what made you go out and better yourself. And seeing other guys have what you want is what inspired you to be "alpha."

I'm not telling him to stay home and cry about it, I'm telling him to take that frustration and use and redirect it so that he can go out and get what he wants. Which is (gasp, BIG REVEAL) him owning his emotions and making them work for him.

Saying "be confident" and "be alpha" is like telling a beginning weightlifter to "be strong". Obviously the guy has his own inner game issues to sort out, but the soap-box reaction and lack of empathy seemed too cheesy for me to let slide. Again, I don't disagree that he had the wrong headspace, but stop drinking the Kool Aid. You were there once too.
Actually you missed my point. My point is it's stupid to let something so stupid motivate you toward frustration and when I did let such things bother me it was when my confidence was low.

So don't say I missed your point when you completely missed mine, I understand what you were trying to say but you missed the point. The point is this shit shouldn't be frustrating, why is it effecting him? I show no empathy for outrageous behavior and a disappointing mindset, there is no reason that this should effect him.

I might have been there once but I also know from being there it's the wrong mindset, behavior, and that his inner game has issue if he does this stuff. This is me helping him while your comments are hurting him. This behavior and thought process should not be supported.

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Edit: Someone who wants a confident mindset should be working on it this also means working consciously on his thought process and emotional stability. He should have become aware of his frustration realized it was a poor thought process and changed the focus of his thoughts.

Confidence is an ongoing effort just like weight training if someone wants to get strong they work on it. If you want confidence you work on it. So all I told him to do was go work on what he has issue with. Is it wrong that I tell him the right thing to do?

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PostPosted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 4:06 pm 
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It SO easy to get in its not even funny.
You need some stronger inner game, first off if they are together bf/gf then leave that alone. Karma will bite you in the ass plus its a bitch move.
There are 3 methods to doing it.

1. If they are NOT together then start by talking to the guys about something random, ask a question, make a comment about something. If you do this right you'll get introduced to the girls and they it will build comfort off the bat. I personally don't do strong negs to the girls because I never need them. The next step is stealth seduction. While you are talking to the guys look for the girl that you can make strong eye contact with. Look for any LOLs. Then in a break in the convo with the guys, open that girl about talk about something random starting light keno off the bat. You can take it from there. But i guarantee she talks to you at least.

2. Make eye contact one of the girls in the group. Figure out which one might be interested. (the one that holds eye contact longer). Cheers her from far away with your drink. See if she smiles or has any positive reaction. If yes, Simply go up to her and say "Hi how have you been?" kinda loud to where everyone hears you. 90% of the time this will get a positive reaction and the rest of the group will assume you know each other. This is personally my fav strat because you dont have to waist time connecting with the whole group. You can iso the girl right away as if you are old friends.

3. Opinion opener.. well known for opening big sets... easy to do. not going to explain, look it up.

There you go. 3 SOLID options to "Getting in" with girls in that group or any tight group.


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"seeing other guys have what you want is what inspired you to be "alpha.""

Seriously, if you spend your life seeking what others have you will never accomplish anything! Seek what you wan't out of life and go out and get it! What others have is nothing to me, I get what I want out of my life!!!

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Yah. I see people with stuff I want, so I go and get it. It's not out of jealousy or preoccupation with what others have, it's just me noticing other people doing well for themselves and, in turn, doing well for myself. Again, not out of jealousy, but simply because I enjoy having more.

I do agree, though, poetic. You're 100% right. The game's not supposed to be frustrating, it's supposed to be fun. But sometimes it is a bit frustrating. And I actually enjoy the frustration associated with this game. It inspires me and drives my creativity and innovation. I just don't have any problem embracing and admitting it.


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Finally, keep your friends close and enemies closer. Befriend the dudes, and then work your way to the girl...
I know what your saying about how girls in social groups with guys but that can work to your advantage I often case a group for a minute you can usually see if any of the girls are in a relationship with the guys. If not I go in with an adapted "Girls can I have your opinion on something....?" To "guys listen I've just been with this girl and...BLAH BLAH BLAH... does that ever happen to you." I make the middle really common like and "she was just fishing for complements all night." But ignoring the girls like you are sarging the guys, not seeking repport, banter, ect.

Then you can bring in your friends and introduce everyone including the girls "so what's your names?" Then your in. You can move in on the girls with out the guys getting funny about it as they see you as a fair competitor.

If you don't have friends to bring in I then after a minute or two of focusing to the guys then ask the first question to the girls. "Now for the female opinion..."
usually, i don't even go that far. i straight up act as if i'm genuinely interested in what the guys have to say (a little "man to man" convo.), the girls feel left out and come around all by themselves, butting into the convo. i then neg them for it to create a little spark like, "can't you see we're having a conversation, marion? gees" then she's like, "i'm not marion! i'm bianca!" i'm like, "ok, that's great." turn to the guy, "is she always this attention seeking?" she comes around again, this time opens me. then i start gaming her.
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But sometimes it is a bit frustrating. And I actually enjoy the frustration associated with this game.
I think it's frustrating because rejection bothers guys. But optimally, I don't think it should.

I think most men (including me..) have gone through or are in a period where rejection or negative speech against your ego is terrifying. The thought of getting rejected can be as scary as being shot or stabbed. But it's NOT like being shot or stabbed. You're still alive and healthy afterwards, so it's really no big deal, you can move on and continue talking to other women.

And I think that's the point where a lot of guys get good, when they drop their ego, and realize being turned down is harmless. At least that's the way it worked for me. Once I stopped caring, I started picking up.

I'm no PUA teacher, but another primary recommendation I'd have is to make it FUN. If you aren't worried about rejection, you can start just getting joy from the interactions themselves, even if the woman you talk to doesn't care to fuck you. Fun is key, have lots of it. Fun Fun Fun!


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But sometimes it is a bit frustrating. And I actually enjoy the frustration associated with this game.
I think it's frustrating because rejection bothers guys. But optimally, I don't think it should.

I think most men (including me..) have gone through or are in a period where rejection or negative speech against your ego is terrifying. The thought of getting rejected can be as scary as being shot or stabbed. But it's NOT like being shot or stabbed. You're still alive and healthy afterwards, so it's really no big deal, you can move on and continue talking to other women.

And I think that's the point where a lot of guys get good, when they drop their ego, and realize being turned down is harmless. At least that's the way it worked for me. Once I stopped caring, I started picking up.

I'm no PUA teacher, but another primary recommendation I'd have is to make it FUN. If you aren't worried about rejection, you can start just getting joy from the interactions themselves, even if the woman you talk to doesn't care to fuck you. Fun is key, have lots of it. Fun Fun Fun!

^ very good! And remember no matter how good you are, you will always get rejected.

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