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I am a very shy guy when it comes to talking to new people and my social skills and confidence are lacking. I just have lot op difficulties chitchat-talking. I also have a problem with talking a girl into bed, I'm a very direct person. I can't really lie or anything, or say all kinds of stuff while the underlying goal stays that I want to have sex with the girl. If anyone has seen "A Beautiful Mind'? The bar scene? Yeah I'm kinda like that guy though I don't have the nerve (yet) to actually go up to that beautiful lady. Nash did get slapped but if it could in fact work I think it would be my favourite approach..

My main goal would be to have the confidence to go up to a girl I want to have sex with and just tell her the truth, very direct but honest: "Do you want to have sex with me some time" (or anything along those lines)
Is this an acceptable approach in the Pickup-scene? Does anyone ever use this? What are the experiences with that? How do most women respond? Is your physical attractiveness as a man a deciding factor?

Can I pull this off? I heard there's on average of 1 in 10 chance the lady sais yes. I tried to find as much info on this subject as possible but I found very little. I think it's one of the more interesting approaches and I hope this topic can be a great source of information in the future for me and other folks.

Thanks in advance for taking the time to read this post and I hope this topic can help me picking up my first girl with the 'Nash'-method..

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There is something called an Apocalypse Opener that is very much that idea. Just asking a girl to go home with you. Do I think it will work? Slim chance. Do I think you should try it? Absolutely. If that will get you out of your comfort zone, then do it. I know it's tough to approach women, but the more and more you try, the easier it will be. Just don't think that this tactic will be your end all be all.

Honestly, here's your best approach. Go up to a girl and just say "Hey I thought you were cute, I had to say hi". This is a direct approach that works very well. Women respond positively to it, because it's honest and direct. Highly recommend you try it and shoot me an email to let me know how it goes.

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That opener has been apply time and time again in serious psychological research and the results has always been the same.

"Clark, R.D., III & Hatfield, E (1989). Gender differences in receptivity to sexual offers, Journey of Psychology and Human sexuality. "

Is one of the papers if you want to check the information.

The opener was: "I have been noticing you around, I find you very attractive would you go to bed with me tonight?" When women approached man and asked that 75% of the guys replied "your place or my place"
When guys approached women and made this offer 0% accepted it.


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You have to set your goal. You have to let the girl know that you want to have sex with her. If you want to get a girl you have to be willing to lose her. If that is really what you want to do, just have sex with her, explain her straight up what you want, and you would be surprise of what you could get.

If you want to know how to get the courage to do that because you just want sex... 2 options worked for me:

1. Just let her know that you want sex, and she knows what to expect from you, most likely if she calls you back, you know the reason why she is calling.

2. You could try to smooth talk to her. Try to know her a little bit, that way she would not feel like a slut. And if she decides to have sex with you, she could say at least I knew that guy. Blah Blah

I use the first option a lot, and most woman replies asking " I prolly bit too much for you" or "Can you even handle me". I was not ready for these question and I messed up a lot. So be ready!

Remember women, they like sex too, I realized that too late. I still dont ask the girls for sex, im really conservative, but they like that believe me.

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my social skills and confidence are lacking. I just have lot op difficulties chitchat-talking......My main goal would be to have the confidence to go up to a girl I want to have sex with and just tell her the truth, very direct but honest......Can I pull this off? .......average of 1 in 10 chance the lady sais yes
if your social skills and confidence are lacking the chances that the apocalypse opener will succeed is 0%. you need to go back and work on these things before you even think of using anything like this.

but if you want to break the barrier, trying the apocalypse opener 10-20 times will definitely loosen some of your social awkwardness, and who knows..... but if what you're describing is true, you will not get a word out.

what you need is not pickup, you need to build up your social skills.


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get some friends???


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There is something called an Apocalypse Opener that is very much that idea. Just asking a girl to go home with you. Do I think it will work? Slim chance. Do I think you should try it? Absolutely. If that will get you out of your comfort zone, then do it. I know it's tough to approach women, but the more and more you try, the easier it will be. Just don't think that this tactic will be your end all be all.

Honestly, here's your best approach. Go up to a girl and just say "Hey I thought you were cute, I had to say hi". This is a direct approach that works very well. Women respond positively to it, because it's honest and direct. Highly recommend you try it and shoot me an email to let me know how it goes.

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This only works if you convey alot of confidence [tonality, body language not looking nervous].

I'm not sure that this guy has the inner game to pull this off...

I suggest trying it about 10 times ^^ and spot your nervous habits! your chances will increase everytime you try ;] [plus its awesome for overcoming AA ;P]

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Yeah i agree. You should work on your confidence and social skills before attempting this. Just genuinely approach some females and close them to get you started. Dont just jump right in head first.

More than likely if you attempt this with your confidence and social skills at the level they are now the chances of you crashing and burning is pretty much 99.99%.

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Ok thanks for the reactions. Going to read the article from Clark and Hatfield after this.

Women suck really bad I think but I really can't go to the other side cause I do want to have sex with them. I mean what's the point, if I wanna talk to you and be nice then that's what I want, if I want to have sex with you I rather just let her know asap. Probably that's because of my slight Asperger's but whatever. I just hate it that women are that way and that just asking straight up isn't socially accepted. Ok that was my slight outburst of frustation sorry for wasting ur time on that.

I just kinda hate girls now that's all. I might just ultimately say FUCK IT ALL and ask every hot girl I see on the street. Then I would just keep a logbook and let u guys now the percentages of women that respond and will end up in my bed.

Also I'm not even ugly at all, I'm probably an 8 or something but I don't like ratings we don't use that in The Netherlands and Germany. But I'm goodlooking for sure whatever.. I don't even know if that's a factor at all!!
I do get looks, touches in the club, I'm just to damn shy to respond. You really have a point that I need to work hard on my self on that. It's just my problem, a mental problem. But I also again really can identify with the guy from a beautiful mind. I'm close to that autistic area altough it's not that bad, I do have good friends and stuff which I can communicate freely with, the longer I know someone the better I can talk with them, it's just me.

I do want to change that for sure, If anyone has any suggestion? I thought self-hypnose was a good one I would like to try that. Thanks for listening I'm 25 and I want to change this, myself and my life.


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Yeah keep a log and let us know your percentage. 8)


You need to work on inner game man. You need to get out there and start talking to females. Also you will probably miss out on ALOT of women you could have had sex with by building simple comfort, instead of just wanting sex. So i personally don't like the approach you are taking because what happens when you get tired of just having sex and want a GF or wife..Then you will be back in the same boat struggling with creating attraction, and your inner game. I think you should address the root of the issue right now which starts with your inner game.

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Ok so I'll be at the 'Inner game' section for now...


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This sounds a lot like what I was feeling when I first started playing. (Still quite new though).

Listen this is what worked for me and see if it works for you. I started using openers on girls and playing a little game in my head. So at first it was if I dare walk over and say hi I get a point if they say hi back I get a point. The Important thing with this is it's all about "The Game" the fact that you are talking to someone new is secondary in my mind it's all about getting the mental achievements.

Now what happened with me is that in approaches that I went into thinking 'oh this is only going to be a two or three pointer,' ended up being a two or three pointer but the approaches that I was really confident with went really well which is what the inner game is all about.

As for walking straight up to girls and asking them to have sex with me. I think I would have to have a MASSIVE amount of social value built up in the room before even attempting that. Even then I'd would want to leave myself an out for instance. Saying "ha and I was thinking I'd like to have sex with you earlier!"


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Women suck really bad.....women are that way.... outburst....
.....hate girls...FUCK IT ALL and ask every hot girl......I'm goodlooking for sure whatever....get looks, touches in the club, I'm just to damn shy to respond....It's just my problem, a mental problem....I'm 25 and I want to change this, myself and my life.
How did you all miss this?

Lennie, you are not ready for pick up. Period. Are you seeing someone professional?

You can't hate women, and expect their sympathies in return. Human women are the most beautiful creatures on this planet, perhaps even in this universe. Women are the dew on the morning grass of a perfect summer day. Women are the best thing ever created out of the 4 elements. How could you hate them? Who are you to judge the greatest creation on earth? Just because you can't get your shit together, women suck?

Check this out, its not a "socially unacceptable thing" to ask a women to sleep with you. Not at all. But if you look at evolutionary biology, and genetics, you will quickly find why that approach fails most of the time. Women are prediposed to looking for certain traits in a man before they are ready to hit the sack. Men don't need this check, so we are always ready. This is nature (and don't say "nature sucks", she is very successsful).

All of those things you describle above, are the opposite of what women are looking for instinctively (i.e. Strong, able, and healthy offspring). The apocalypse opener and very direct, non-verbal game works for some guys, that is because they internalized these so well, that they don't need all the fluff to convey their value to a woman. That's why this is called "advanced game".

You need to check yourself, and you need to address some really hard core issues that are pending in there. Honestly, I could not reccomend any woman to mercy fuck you at this point, because I would be concerned for her safety, first and foremost. Furthermore, you will cling and make her life a nightmare after that. You need to check yourself.

You are not ready for the world of women, at least definitely not for a relationship (I know that sounds harsh, and I don't mean to be an asshole with you - I know I sound like a dick-, but take my advice. Not just for the sake of your future woman's mental health, but for your own sake), you are ready to find yourself, to help yourself, and to become a healthy, balanceed stud of a man that I know you can become. I have confidence in you lennie.

If you will not follow my advice and lay off the women for now, which I suspect you will not, please have the decency to inform women of your "condition" before jumping into any kind of relationship with them (other than purely sexual). No matter if she is a heiress, a super model, a fat piggy girl or a prostitute, treat her with respect and kindness, leave her better than you found her and NEVER EVER catch yourself thinking that YOU HATE WOMEN!

You need meditation, counseling, a great hobby that makes you feel good about yourself, internal balance, and perhaps even medication. Once you have all that figured out, we are all more than happy to help you!


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Women suck really bad.....women are that way.... outburst....
.....hate girls...FUCK IT ALL and ask every hot girl......I'm goodlooking for sure whatever....get looks, touches in the club, I'm just to damn shy to respond....It's just my problem, a mental problem....I'm 25 and I want to change this, myself and my life.
How did you all miss out in this? Lennie, you are not ready for pick up. Period. Are you seeing someone professional?

You can't hate women, and expect their sympathies is return!!!! Human women are the most beautiful creatures on this planet, perhaps even in this universe. Women are the dew on the morning grass of a perfect summer day. Women are the best thing ever created out of the elements. How could you hate them? Who are you to judge the greatest creation on earth? Just because you can't get your shit together, women suck?

Check this out, its not a "socially unacceptable thing" to ask a women to sleep with you. Not at all. But if you look at evolutionary biology, and genetics, you will quickly find why that approach fails. Women are prediposed to looking for certain traits in a man before they are ready to hit the sack. Men don't need this check, so we are always ready. This is nature (and don't say "nature sucks", she is very successsful)

All of those things you describle above, are the opposite of what they are looking for instinctively (i.e. Strong, able, and healthy offspring). The apocalypse opener and direct game works for some guys, that is because they internalized these so well, that they don't need all the fluff to convey their value to a woman. That's why this is called "advanced game".

You need to check yourself, and you need to take care of some really hard core issues that are pending in there. Honestly, I could not reccomend any woman to mercy fuck you at this point, because I would be concerned for her safety, first and formost. Furthermore, you will cling and make her life a nightmare after that. You need to check yourself.

You are not ready for the world of women (I know that sounds harsh, and I don't mean to be an asshole with you, but take my advice. Not just for the sake of a woman's mental health, but for your own), you are ready to find yourself, to help yourself, and to beccome a healthy, balanceed stud of a man that I know you can become. I have confidence in you lennie.

You need meditation, counseling, a great hobby that makes you feel good about yourself, and perhaps even medication. Once you have all that figured out, we are all more than happy to help you!
Ok I accept ur advice and U did give some good info and I fully agree on the evolution-part. But honestly I think you're not very nice to me at all and I don't like that. I could go into discussion about how healthy and balanced I actually am (apart from the women-stuff and the shyness but that's just one area), but I just think u went a little over board there. That wasn't very nice. I'm not the boneless chickenshit u picture me to be, it's really only that area.

Other then that, meditation yeah that would be something I really need. I actually bought 3 books about it some month ago, but I just haven't found the time to start reading in those (also I have so many unread books). But meditation is cool that could help. Self hypnose could help also with me breaking those barriers so I will definately look that stuff up on google, all I need is a good story on how you walk down those ten steps so you can go in a really good trance.

Uhm medication and counseling no way, I hate that shit. I won't ever do that (again)..

Also I have hobbies, and sport and stuff makes me feel good about myself and without that I feel ok about myself as well. Really man it's not that bad. And please don't put .. try to put me down like that. Ok? You can do that in a better way. You don't REALLY now me. I'm a good guy with confidence. It's just one effing problem and that's that I have a looot of trouble breaking a certain barrier. I already explained.

I honestly hope, u know this topic has already been ruined i think. I hoped this couldve been an interesting topic cause it's an interesting subject. Maybe I should just give in to the 'Game'-thing and accept that the method I would like just doesn't work.

Just please me nicer to me I'm extremely new to this pickup-world that I might just step into. I mean it's interesting and if girls LIKE to be played and be messed with then what the HELL? What's MY problem? If I wanna have sex more with real women and not stupid bitches that I pay for then I just have to join the game right?

WHO"s with me HEHEHAEHDEJAWAJDAJ....fuck you former poster let's be friends from now on and don't try to put me in lower social value cause i don't give a fudge about social value get it?

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Women suck really bad.....women are that way.... outburst....
.....hate girls...FUCK IT ALL and ask every hot girl......I'm goodlooking for sure whatever....get looks, touches in the club, I'm just to damn shy to respond....It's just my problem, a mental problem....I'm 25 and I want to change this, myself and my life.
How did you all miss out in this? Lennie, you are not ready for pick up. Period. Are you seeing someone professional?

You can't hate women, and expect their sympathies is return!!!! Human women are the most beautiful creatures on this planet, perhaps even in this universe. Women are the dew on the morning grass of a perfect summer day. Women are the best thing ever created out of the elements. How could you hate them? Who are you to judge the greatest creation on earth? Just because you can't get your shit together, women suck?

Check this out, its not a "socially unacceptable thing" to ask a women to sleep with you. Not at all. But if you look at evolutionary biology, and genetics, you will quickly find why that approach fails. Women are prediposed to looking for certain traits in a man before they are ready to hit the sack. Men don't need this check, so we are always ready. This is nature (and don't say "nature sucks", she is very successsful)

All of those things you describle above, are the opposite of what they are looking for instinctively (i.e. Strong, able, and healthy offspring). The apocalypse opener and direct game works for some guys, that is because they internalized these so well, that they don't need all the fluff to convey their value to a woman. That's why this is called "advanced game".

You need to check yourself, and you need to take care of some really hard core issues that are pending in there. Honestly, I could not reccomend any woman to mercy fuck you at this point, because I would be concerned for her safety, first and formost. Furthermore, you will cling and make her life a nightmare after that. You need to check yourself.

You are not ready for the world of women (I know that sounds harsh, and I don't mean to be an asshole with you, but take my advice. Not just for the sake of a woman's mental health, but for your own), you are ready to find yourself, to help yourself, and to beccome a healthy, balanceed stud of a man that I know you can become. I have confidence in you lennie.

You need meditation, counseling, a great hobby that makes you feel good about yourself, and perhaps even medication. Once you have all that figured out, we are all more than happy to help you!
Ok I accept ur advice and U did give some good info and I fully agree on the evolution-part. But honestly I think you're not very nice to me at all and I don't like that. I could go into discussion about how healthy and balanced I actually am (apart from the women-stuff and the shyness but that's just one area), but I just think u went a little over board there. That wasn't very nice. I'm not the boneless chickenshit u picture me to be, it's really only that area.

Other then that, meditation yeah that would be something I really need. I actually bought 3 books about it some month ago, but I just haven't found the time to start reading in those (also I have so many unread books). But meditation is cool that could help. Self hypnose could help also with me breaking those barriers so I will definately look that stuff up on google, all I need is a good story on how you walk down those ten steps so you can go in a really good trance.

Uhm medication and counseling no way, I hate that shit. I won't ever do that (again)..

Also I have hobbies, and sport and stuff makes me feel good about myself and without that I feel ok about myself as well. Really man it's not that bad. And please don't put .. try to put me down like that. Ok? You can do that in a better way. You don't REALLY now me. I'm a good guy with confidence. It's just one effing problem and that's that I have a looot of trouble breaking a certain barrier. I already explained.

I honestly hope, u know this topic has already been ruined i think. I hoped this couldve been an interesting topic cause it's an interesting subject. Maybe I should just give in to the 'Game'-thing and accept that the method I would like just doesn't work.

Just please me nicer to me I'm extremely new to this pickup-world that I might just step into. I mean it's interesting and if girls LIKE to be played and be messed with then what the HELL? What's MY problem? If I wanna have sex more with real women and not stupid bitches that I pay for then I just have to join the game right?

WHO"s with me HEHEHAEHDEJAWAJDAJ....fuck you former poster let's be friends from now on and don't try to put me in lower social value cause i don't give a fudge about social value get it?

ok.
lesson number one:

why would you think you have lower value because of one guy's opinion? why would this ruin your thread? INNER GAME! this is where you start! if you dont have it, you will not be very successful with women, no matter what.

lesson number two:

you can only be really good with something that you really love! right now, go and write a list of all the things you love about women. read it to yourself. realize that you do not hate women, you are frustrated with your lack of success with women. THERE IS NO NEED FOR THIS FRUSTRATION. IT WILL ONLY HOLD YOU BACK. MOVE FORWARD!

lesson number three:

ALL YOUR FAULTS CAN BE CORRECTED. work on improving these. don't give yourself the excuse that you don't have time. bullshit! if it's important to you, you will find the time!

lesson number four:

yes, women like to be gamed and messed with, but only in the context of good fun. no woman likes to be treated genuinely badly. as part of the game, you can call her a bitch, a dirty whore, a comedian, whatever, but she knows it's a game and all in good humor. you're not ready for that yet.

finally, it's good that you feel good about yourself. but, this "please be nicer to me. please don't put me down". what? who the fuck cares? WHY DO YOU CARE HOW I TREAT YOU? IT'S NOT IMPORTANT TO YOU HOW I TREAT YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE AN AWESOME GUY! YOU DON'T NEED MY VALIDATION TO FEEL AWESOME ABOUT YOURSELF! get it? that's inner game. now go and make it happen! you have a lot of catching up to do! read some books on the topic, and do your research! all this posting and stuff is great, but if you're not approaching women, and practicing your stuff, you're not getting anywhere. trust me.

*and on a side note, please don't talk down to prostitutes. they are women just like any other, practicing one of the oldest and most charitable professions in this world. it got guys laid, and kept many women from getting raped! respect them!


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