Hey listen guys im in a big dilema I like this girl and were kind of close friends, shes been away for about a month and in that time ive read the game and other seduction techniques and also hooked up a few times and done sum succesfull number closes so ye I knw how to handle my shit better with women now, she also has a b/f but the guys a total chump no skill what so ever, sooo ok shes coming over to watch a movie tonight what can I do to change the tables around and get out of bieng knw as a friend???

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tbh i wouldnt bother, your in friend zone so if you do something about it you might ruin your friendship + you look even worse for doing it while shes got a bf..

sos bruv

peace out

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When you’re in the “friends” boat your pretty much there to stay. You obviously care for this girl and have attached excess meaning to being with her. That doesn’t help either dude. To be honest id personally call it quits. The only thing I could recommend is distance yourself.

Smoothie

Yeah, if you're way in the friend zone, I say forget it.
Plus, if you've got your shit straight when it comes to women like you say,
then you can easily just move on to somebody else.
Don't get "one-itis".

Have you ever heard of the Ladder Theory?
Basically it states that men and women sort everyone they know in specific ways.
With guys, we have one ladder, and it's a ladder of attraction.
Some would say a "who I'd like to fuck most" ladder.
I won't go into specifics, it would be pointless.
We're talking about women.

With women, they have 2 ladders.
One is a sexual interest ladder, and the other is a friends ladder.
It is very difficult for someone to switch ladders.
And even if you can switch ladders, you usually fall a great deal down.

The point is, never get on the friends ladder in the first place.
If you don't want to be "that guy", then don't act like that guy.
You have to be congruent with this idea right off the bat.
If she starts talking to you like you're one of her girlfriends,
make it clear that, "hey, I'm not going to play that role".

But yeah, you're already a friend.
I wouldn't waste the time and effort.

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Hey mate. I am almost in the exact same situation.
I'm helplessly in love with this girl, she is the most important person in my life, however I'd rather have her as a friend, that to lose here alltogether. She knows that what happends next is up to her, and I can live with that. For now at least.

hahahaha I very surprised no one else who knows what they are talking about has posted. And to those that have posted; you’re stuck, its over, forget her, your friends forever are dead wrong.

First off if she is friends with you, she is already attracted to you, this does mean she wants to just your bone, but there is a type of attraction between to two of you. You need to get in her head and plant the seed of her and you being more then friends. If you are really aggressive you could try this from El Topo:
""You know X, this is going to sound weird but I would be lying if I didn't say anything to you. But in the time I have known you and in getting to know you more I have become really attracted to you. And at the same time, I know you have a guy around and being friends is more important to me. But I just had to say something because it deserved to be out there."

She will react to this in confusion and instability.
Now in this she will immediately chose to distance herself from you.
So you have got to be the ALPHA and be the one to CONTROL her STATE (very important)
So as soon as she tries to say..
"Oh, I am sorry I am with Captain Zero"
You have to interrupt her and say,
"Hey, don't answer. Look I am your friend and don't need a reply. I just had to let you know, but this doesn't change anything, so stop freaking out... give me a hug.""

Now let's say you don't have the balls for that...
Understandable.
But then you need to run jealousy threads and work your attraction game through the attraction switches.
Main ones...
-Protector of loved ones
-Pre-Selected by women
-Leader of men

Props to ET for this great info.

Set up her frame of mind for attraction towards you and always be alpha

PUA: "I know we really like each other but that’s not why I took care of you the other night. Its because my mother brought me up to be a gentleman and she always wanted me to protect others."

What’s happening here?
1. Suggesting she likes you
2. Disqualify your likeness for her
3. Defining your alpha qualities

CA

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What worked for me was getting a few drinks in us and taking it slowly.
It worked for me. Her best friend (at the time) and my LTR (at the time) didn't like it though.
I came across a good advice here though, from LoverBoy I think

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You need to turn the tables quick and fast. If you know the guy is a chump, I wouldn't say anything about the guy being a chump. The best thing to do is make her laugh and show your million dollar qualities which will make her want to be around you instead of her chump boyfriend. The fact that she's hanging out with you is a sign that their could be something there for you.

Hajji

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Its funny, most people on here say you have no shot, I realize its rather a month and half too late for this reply, but this may help people in the future. I have two different ideas on what can be done to get out of the FRIEND ZONE. I have been studying several methods, I know MM says you are s.o.l. at this point but I disagree. Captain America is right, I was great friends with this girl once and didnt know what to do about it, Finally one day I couldnt take it any longer, asked her to cut my hair (military days) and while she was grabbing the clippers out of the closet as she t urned around I was right there to kiss her. I realize that could have gone badly but at the time I didnt think about it. It worked.
Now, after studying PUA I realize there are several things I could have done differently. Ross Jeffries has said some really good things that would have worked in that situation as well. just keep throwing out those weasel phrases and getting the thought in her head that she could be attracted to you and it will open her mind and get her thinking about it. Especially some time distortion routines. for example, "my friends girlfriends sister and i were talking (saying it like that gets her into her mind and out of the real) today about a guy that she is friends with. Aparantly he just out of the blue said I want you to think about a what it could be like after we realized we were great for eachother when ......." and just go on from there. by saying that, she is hearing you tell her what to do subconsciously and your telling her to think in the future after your together, so she is allready thinking of the two of you being together.

B-Sweet

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When you are the prize, you are like a diamond. If you allow her to become the prize, you become a cubix zarconia.

Don't ever say that you are her friend without running romantic and sexual patterns on her. If you say that you are her friend without running romantic and sexual patterns on her and then anchoring those positive feelings back to you, then you will stay in the friends boat forever with her.

You also have to remember to keep being playful, busting her balls, and being cocky and funny while still demonstrating DHV. I you do not then your value will either be lowered in her eyes or she is not going to feel as though it just happend.

No matter what you do always make sure that you are creating positive romantic feelings in her for you. Basically what you are doing is turning the tables and playing hard to get while at the same time you are creating positive romantic feelings in her and then anchoring them back to you. That's how you get her to go from friend zone into lover zone as that way she will feel as though she has no control and that it is just something that spontaneously happened between you and her.

Don't let a woman think about as if she does, then she is very likely to overanylze it and decide that she does not want a romantic relationship with you. You need to remember that women are emotional creatures and that you need to tap into their emotions. Talking to their heads is not going to get you laid or into the lover zone. It is how they feel about you that is going to get you laid and into the lover zone.

Whether you like it or not that is just the way that things work and there is no way that you can overcome that as that is something that is hardwired into every woman on the planet from birth. It's all part of her evolutionary past and that is what you need to be taking advantage of.

When I get into the friends zone with women I talk about other girls a lot. I used to have two friends that were girls that I never would have even guessed I would sleep with in the future. I didnt even try to sleep with them or do anything to impress them. They both vaguely knew about each other and hated each other and I would tease them and talk about the other one and say how I like her more and they would get super jealous and pissed. They both ended up sleeping with me. It worked like a charm. Now I just wish I had girls to hang out with. Im trying to get more girl friends again.

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That's pretty good, but the point is that you want to stay out of the friends zone with them unless you really do want to be just their friend. Sometimes it can be kind of a catch 22 as you are going to have to decide as to whether or not this is the type of girl that you want to sleep with or not.

If you want to sleep with her, then talking about other girls is good as it creates social proof and by making them jealous of each other only exacerbates the issue as women are very catty creatures. They are very competitive with each other and will do most anything to get with the right guy. Jealousy is a very good tool to use, but make sure that you use it wisely or else it could backfire on you. Also make sure that you be careful when you are doing it otherwise they will start to think that you just never got over your ex or that you are obsessed and that is just not something that you want as that only lowers your value to her.

if you really want to be more intimate and physical with her...rape her JUST KIDDING lol
ok that was a horrible joke, but what you should do is speed seduction by ross jeffries, i know that shits hated out here, and im not a big fan too but it really does give the girl the feelings of attraction, being aroused, being turned on, etc

do stuff like embedded commands

Man fuck what people said, if youre in the friends zone you can do so much to get out.

Here are the different methods:

1. Take it slow, when you guys drink togethor start bringing up the fact that she looks really cute right now, run kino, wipe something off her lip, dance. ect. That should break the ice, if she asks what happened, and why you did those things, just be like "I did it because I wanted to, and thats how I felt". No apologies.

2. Begin running friendly kino while using RJ's SS method, weasel in little phrases to subconsciously get her thinking about you. Unless she has a reason to place you in the friend zone forever, like hooking up with her best friend, dating her sister or friends, it shouldnt matter.

Be there for her boyfriend troubles and comfort her and build tension while doing it. A lot of eye contact while helping her out, easy kino, hugs, holding ect. Its ballsy but do it. A good line to use is "I'll always be here for you". Everything she bitches about her boyfriend about, demonstrate that you are not that, find out what she wants in a boyfriend and act it.

3. Talk to her a lot, build a chemistry, a connection with her, women love that and once she realizes that your way better than him, its over. Don't ever bring up the boyfriend situation unless she does and wants to talk about it and has to bitch about him, never let her state positive things about him. If she says things like "But he can be so nice," cut her off and change the topic.

and if you really want to hit it big, OCTObER mAn SeQQuenCe baby.

well, I'm new to the Game - in fact, I don't think I've ever gamed a woman into bed.. by no means do I claim to have any "powers" - my 1st girlfriend started as friends. We were intro'd by a good college buddy. It turned out to be 4 yr relationship. Another time a fellow aikido student who I considered turned into a 10-night stand. Most recently, a couple of tango dancers I'd known for some time have "converted" - can I claim 100% success with the friend zone? Not at all, other times when things looked good - lot of initial heat fizzled into LJBF.. what's the secret? Well, I guess that's why I'm here..