So basically I started hanging out with this girl, I really liked her, but since I am kinda depressed and not objective etc I wasn't able to tell if she liked me so I went slowly.. I had the basics down, acted confident, demostrated value, fair bit of kinoing etc, but as insecure I am, I never made the attempt to kiss her.. But then out of nowhere she tried to kiss me and I just froze and didn't kiss her back (happened too fast). We changed the subject and later that night I tried to man up and try to do something but I clearly had disappointed her and it wasn't going nowhere. When I brought it up some weeks later, she sayd she was interested in me and after the fail-kiss she just thought she was just stupid and I was just messing around with her (I was very flirty because I had no hope anything would happen anyway).
So last week I invited her over and we had lots of fun, connected with her (something I don't do very often, trust issues...). Suddenly we were lying on the bed just talking and messing around and this time I decided to kiss her and it worked just fine . Then like 10 seconds later she stops me, she looked happy but also said she was confused... Appearantly I have competition now, she sayd it wouldn't be fair to the dude if she'd gone further with me now (sexually).. But I know now she wants me . Maybe I should have just tryd to escalate but I didnt. I'm guessing she is just careful because she still feels stupid after I didnt respond as she had hoped the first time (to the kiss) and now trys to make something happen with the other dude because he wasn't a pussy and made a move on her ^^. When I asked what feelings she had for him, she responded something like it's far from love but she still likes him too...
My question now is, how can I turn this around to my advantage again and make her dump him? Because I know I was her first choice before I blew it . By the looks they are "bf and gf" but I know for a fact they have only met a couple of times and have only made out so far.. Cant be too serious if she still likes to hang out with me like that . If it wasn't for the other dude we would be together now, even she admitted it... So any tips? Any boyfriend destroyers? Even though I think the classical ones wouldnt work, since she doesn't know him that much yet. My guess is I cant really say anything bad about that guy because she will go protective-mode (kinda did already lol), I just need to seduce her better and make her realize I'm more worthy than the other guy.. I was thinking NLP maybe? To create those emotional moments that really connect people. Or should I just let her know how I feel about her? Or would that be too needy? I really dont wanna give up on her just yet, how do I let her know she shouldnt give up on me ?

1) re-read your paragraph, and tell me that didn't sound needy as hell...

2) Is this chick the only chick in the entire city?

3) If you're going to have oneitis... get it royally, or make a move. If you're seriously ready to fuck your mind up, get a LTR, and actually be monogomous (yech!) then I suggest the following - and it will take time. So be ready to know she may have this dude's cock in her mouth before this is all said and done - seriously, think about that kind of shit...

but if you want to AMOG him....

You want to build an image in her mind... you want her to start seeing YOU as the ideal boyfriend. That's done through conversation. You start telling her how you're ready to have someone special in your life. Mention a touching story as to an 'epiphany-moment' that made you realize this... and seeing her made you realize you need to find someone, too...

In conversation, you start pre-selecting women in general... "I want someone ____, ____, and ____ (mention 3 character traits - one of which may be specific to her...)"... fluff the convo for a little then interject... "If I'm in a relationship, the woman I'm with will know 3 things (lower intonation) 1) that she is safe in my arms. I've got her. (look her in the eye, nod... keep intonation low). 2) that she is loved wholly and 3) that she knows I think she is the single...most...beautiful...woman I have ever seen in my life" (space out each word towards the end of the sentence to ensure impact is delivered. THEN, raise your voice back to normal pitch and do the drawback...) "SO, yeah, all I need to do is find her now..." (then smile, and change subject).

Your goal is for you to become the standard by which she measures HIM; you become the logical choice. Otherwise, you're just stealing a chick from a dude, and it won't last - she'll always see you as the guy who stole her, and you'll always know how easy it was...If you want to fuck her only... that's on you. But if you want something real... the emotional rollercoaster ride awaits...

Best,

RR

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Women are like ceramic tile.... if you do the prep work, and lay them properly the first time...you can walk all over them for years to come.

Listen to retired Rodeos advice and combine both of our posts to help you the best. cause it sounds like some oneitis but hey i wont judge. but Good job dude im happy you kissed her! theres no better feeling than FINALLY getting that kiss youve wanted for so long! But back to your problem with theo other guy, So you talked down on the other guy right? DONT EVER DO THAT notice how she got all protective about him? Now she is on his side because shes defending him you want her on YOUR side.

The way to do this is to talk GOOD about him. I know this sounds counter productive and everything but bear with me here. You need to raise him so god damn high on this giant pedestal that hes bound to fall over.

Think about it have you ever made a bad DHV story that came back to bite you in the ass? for example you say "oh yea Im an excellent rock climber, one time i climbed the top of a 40 foot wall in 40 seconds" and then all the sudden the girls like "oh really i rock climb too lets go tomorrow!" then she figures out you cant rock climb... (you get the idea)

You want to say things to this girl like "He must be an amazing guy to get a girl like you " or "Well im happy for you HB hes probaly an awesome guy! and if hes smart which i imagine he is he will be very nice, loyal, and romantic to you " This way next time shes with him and hes not PERFECT like your saying he is shes gonna notice it and she might even have already noticed it and while your telling her how perfect he is shes basically gonna knock him off his pedestal by saying things like "hes really not that great..." or "well this one time he wasnt very loyal" and then you can say "How come?"

Then Boom. its as simple as that she will be talking down on her boyfriend rather than defending him and then you can make your move.

Also about the LMR she stopped kissing you because she has a bf so next time just keep kissing her and in between kisses say something like "Thats great maybe he can come over and make us breakfast in the morning" and act like her bf isnt important and naturally she will just keep kissing you.

If she stops you again i would just Freeze her out and pull away and put some tv on or somethin to piss her off. what you wanna do is reward her for wanting to kiss you and penalize her for stopping the kissing. that way everytime she kisses you she will feel good and every time she stops she will feel like shit because you freeze her out and change the subject or ignore her.

Hope i Helped, if you have any more questions just ask. But remember NO MEANS NO lol but good luck

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Didn't expect to get answers so soon, thank you, seems like good advice, will try out when I get the chance. Will be hard to talk good about him and not to sound too sarcastic thought, but I get the idea. And actually I like her that much that I'm willing to get into a LTR . Any further advice is also welcome

That's what I love about this forum... people have different ideas to get to the same place.

Rockstar's approach is fucking brilliant. It's not my personality-type, but I can completely see the genius behind the method. Respect.

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Women are like ceramic tile.... if you do the prep work, and lay them properly the first time...you can walk all over them for years to come.

Solid advice here Bros very solid!

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They call me the cat whisperer, cause I know exactly what the pussy needs.

Thanks rodeo and random789c combine me and rodeos methods or try out both hes got some solid points about the girl seeing you as the ideal boyfriend so try both and see what one you like better or combine them!

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"Ever notice how you come across somebody once in a while you shouldn’t have fu***d with? That’s me." — Clint Eastwood