This pisses me off real bad and I see it everywhere. Dudes who have no game whatsoever, but simply because the work together or go to the same uni, the roll with the hottest girls.

This happened to me on the weekend and I was absolutely pissed off. It was as if there was a glitch in the Matrix. Hot girls getting with chumps. I knew they weren't aspiring PUA's cos their body language and awkward touching was a dead give away.

I tried to sabotage their situation just out of spite, and to really see for myself if they were players. Nope they were just a bunch of chumps threatened at someone stepping up to their girls. Plus my game isn't as potent to steal a dudes girl.

Have you ever experienced this??? Am I a hater? should I really find some hot girls to befriend just so I can get with them? WTF.

Go back and work on your confidence immediately, you got some issues to work on. If you are tripping on this and especially trying to sabotage other guys (douche move) you should be working on your confidence (not arrogance). When guys are cock blocking you left and right don't be upset, shit is just coming back at you (karma).

Based off your statement your not even as good as a chump so maybe you should stop judging others and work on your own shit. I also want to mention if they have no game and you aren't pulling girls while they are where does that put you? You have less than no game somehow.

Most men are awkward and don't know what to do so why do you find issue with this? For them it's a bit more normal. The natural courtship process isn't exactly finesse, it's a little awkward with moments of silence.

If you are out gaming girls the worst possible mindset you can be in is "I can't believe she is with that guy" (judgmental much?). Instead you should just be out having fun, maybe a "I'm gonna talk to her she is sexy". You can bs about shit like guys having no game but critiquing others means you aren't trying yourself. In fact it sounds like the only thing you tried to do was sabotage not pick up girls.

Your mind needs to come to peace, you shouldn't be out there worrying about shit like this. You should be out just talking to girls, seeing where it goes. Man I'm still dumbfounded by this post it's ridiculous. The only way you can pick up girls if you are comfortable and relaxed, anytime you are worrying about other guys or are pissed because someone gets the girl(unhealthy mindset) you aren't going to be successful with women. If you are a girl would you go with a guy jealous of "chumps" as you put it? Fuck no, you'd be like what a douche bag, he's trying to stop us. Just saying.... Worry about yourself not everyone else. The only thing you can fix or control is yourself, this a big part of confidence.

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I hear your point and more than anything I feel like I was venting me frustration at the fact that I do so much to get a girl but sometimes all it comes down to is proximity. If you work with a girl or share some common friends or space you have a warm start on a girl. I try hard to improve my game and social circle itself, but I tell you what some circumstantial factors rank higher than someones confidence and game. For instance the dude who is a club owner/promoter.

But more to your point focus on self and ignore all else, I hear you but i swear this particular night the club was saturated with tightly knit groups which were hard to infiltrate. I did speak with with a few girls at the cost of a lot of attention from evil eyes looking at me, I believe I handled those particular situations quite well.

My game would have had to have been better than I have ever had to actually pull the robbery to get the girls in this particular club.

Nevertheless, I hear your point. My real question should have been, how do I get into tightly knit groups without coming across as someone that wants something or a complete random obviously trying to scoop the girls in the group??

Help me with this then.

Most guys revert back to social circle game.

Doing cold approaches takes patience and balls of steel. Especially of u r alone. If you are too scared to do random approaches and you been doing it a long time, maybe it is not for you.

A tip. Be honest with bar staff and doormen, get their names shake hands, be their friends. Tell them you r out to pull, if you are friendly and cool, then they can point out girls who are looking at you.

Warning - if you have zero charisma you may creep the bar staff.

You were truthful in your post, but there is always two truths one that is negative, and one that is going to help you. The 2nd poster gave a positive truth which will help u.

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+1. that's a dick move. deal with YOURSELF.

^ That! Listen i understand your frustration, If your goal is to find a girlfriend(and get to know her fully before she becomes your gf) then social circle game, Here is my problems with social circle game, is my personal opinion based on what i have seen in my social circle group(capoeira, which is a martial arts that draws a lot of hot women) anyways,1.- it is a much slower game, and you can run the risk of being friendzone. 2.- If you want to sleep around it could work both ways(all the girls knows you are a player and the dude to go for dick) or You were with one of the girls in the social circle( and out of respect to the girl or whatever no girls want to mess with you), or you get kind of kicked out of the social circle by default...
Cold approach gaming(gaming total strangers): It is a bit harder to master(not really) but if you have no clue maybe. There is more of a poll of women to choose from. You have more flexibility. I really would focus on Cold approach gaming...Finally, keep your friends close and enemies closer. Befriend the dudes, and then work your way to the girl...

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Gaming people you work with is no different than gaming a "tight knitt group" IMHO. If you start a new job, you don't automatically get to date the girls you work with. You have to go through some phases (unless you're hot). You have to get past the "new guy" phase, then the "he is ok" phase, then the "he is kinda cool" phase, and finally the "He can be part of our group" phase! This is the same thing you have to do with a tight knit group. Get the approval of any memer of the group and they will eventually open the door that lets you into the entire group.

This often takes a great deal of time to accomplish!


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poeticlyskuac rode you like Seabisquit (you needed that from him, too, dude)... I'm going to comment on this...

They were hard to infiltrate? And? You're making excuses. What do you expect? The dudes to invite you over, and they spread her legs for you? Nope. YOU make the move. You control set, you be engaging. You befriend the dudes. Get them to Neg the girls, build rapport, GAME the set! Then isolation won't be awkward.

Don't make excuses. You didn't handle this well, at all. There's no judgement here, no belittling, and no ill-will. Just be honest with yourself.


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I'm actually gonna do the unpopular thing and say I know what you mean, dude. While I don't really agree with you trying to tool other guys in front of their girls (don't hate the player), I must admit that sometimes that shit does blow my mind.

I also think everyone is overreacting to your predicament. No, it shouldn't be a big deal to you, but I also don't think you should suppress your emotion and pretend like it isn't frustrating to see hot girls with weesh guys. Instead embrace that frustration, mold it, and redirect that energy into more motivation to go out, game harder and cultivate your own social circle. Pretty soon you'll be plucking cute girls from your social circle like grapes from the vine.

Don't listen to the go-hard blowhards telling you you have a problem. All you're doing is venting. It's healthy. Just keep a positive mindset and don't let it get you down. And don't tool other dudes. Instead, give them props, get cool with them, and thank them after you've finished laying girls in their social circle.

A Confident "Alpha" Man owns his emotions, they do not own him.

A Confident Man doesn't worry about such things, this is the root of the problem.

If you understand attraction, courtship, you realize that some of these guys have SOMETHING going for them. They are attracted to them for a reason, why should one worry about something like a guy with a girl? Jealousy of a total stranger with millions of hot women is quite illogical, irrational and not the behavior of a Confident Man.

The issue is not that he shouldn't feel free to express his emotion, it is that something so ridiculous is effecting him emotionally. WHY? This is an issue, him letting his emotions own him to the point of doing outrageously douchie behavior (wrenching peoples game only makes you a douche bag to them) is not the behavior of a Confident Man.

Do you see what I am saying? It shouldn't be a why him. So much as a good for him, that's awesome that average Joes bag the chick here and there. (Which you did mention.) Who cares if she is with some guy you think is below you? Move on.

Nothing was confident about his mindset, behavior or character. None of this should have effected him, this is the problem. You are confusing understand freedom to express your emotions as confident when the issue really is the motivation for the emotion.

How can you game girls with this mindset? It's horrible to think you should be in this mindset when trying to grab girls, do you think a girl is going to like that? Na you need to be the attractive male and that is not the behavior of an attractive male. Just go out there and be attractive talk to the girl you want be with unless you are going for someone taken.

I'd have to agree that you should just join the social circle and work through a little of it.

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i only read the first part, but it's fact.

let me tell you a story. last weekend, we opened a three set. all tall, hb 9 at least. a birthday girl was there. i started kinda gaming all of them simultaneously. my target was the birthday girl. she was not really reactive, but hot as hell. all of them were hot.

i did not get that she was dtf at all (now i know, bd girl=dtf), no signs. nothing. i was teasing her friend and she kept telling me "i have a boyfriend, i have a boyfriend" while pulling me to herself. then there were these little fat midget female umpa lumpas that showed up out of nowhere, orbiting around the tall hot ones like planets around their stars and pulling them away from us, "they're bad guys. no! dont!" i was in the midst of a fucking circus.

i allowed myself to get distracted by the circus just long enough to let another pua get to my birthday girl. i turn around (didn't even see him before, brother went "stealth") and he's pulling her right in front of my eyes.

that was fucking funny as hell! and i knew she was gonna be an easy lay. hey, that's a part of life. who the fuck cares? i still had a great time.

you need to stop worrying about these dudes. be happy for them. i was happy for the bro. he got an easy lay.

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I know what your saying about how girls in social groups with guys but that can work to your advantage I often case a group for a minute you can usually see if any of the girls are in a relationship with the guys. If not I go in with an adapted "Girls can I have your opinion on something....?" To "guys listen I've just been with this girl and...BLAH BLAH BLAH... does that ever happen to you." I make the middle really common like and "she was just fishing for complements all night." But ignoring the girls like you are sarging the guys, not seeking repport, banter, ect.

Then you can bring in your friends and introduce everyone including the girls "so what's your names?" Then your in. You can move in on the girls with out the guys getting funny about it as they see you as a fair competitor.

If you don't have friends to bring in I then after a minute or two of focusing to the guys then ask the first question to the girls. "Now for the female opinion..."

usually, i don't even go that far. i straight up act as if i'm genuinely interested in what the guys have to say (a little "man to man" convo.), the girls feel left out and come around all by themselves, butting into the convo. i then neg them for it to create a little spark like, "can't you see we're having a conversation, marion? gees" then she's like, "i'm not marion! i'm bianca!" i'm like, "ok, that's great." turn to the guy, "is she always this attention seeking?" she comes around again, this time opens me. then i start gaming her.