First I couldn't even talk to girls, I genuinely got pissed off at my life and even thought about suicide. Now not only am I talking to women on a daily bases but I am so close to them physically that it hurts not to be able to do anything.

Just to give you a hint on how it works, I setup a small organization, you can call it a company. lets just say I am very close to the girls that I work with and my confidence is high enough to command them around into different "poses" I am usually in the studio alone with the girl or girls. I wouldn't want to expose it in detail as I know some of my friends are on this forum and this would ruin my business.

Anywho, the problem now is that I do not know how to proceed further, I know the girls I work with think I am nice looking, I have had face to face compliments, so that isnt the problem, I am confident in the way I speak that nor is the problem. WTF is the problem!? why is it that I cant switch from a work attitude to a player attitude. Why is that I am not able to seduce these girls?

Can anyone here please be able to give me a step by step process of how I can go from work to social? I mean I can get allot of kino going but I dont know where to begin.

Ps: I dont want to hear anything about work and sex not working. I own this shit and I know for sure that nothing bad is going to happen to my business if I seduce a model or anything similar to this. I go out with these models after shoots, I make them laugh they are comfortable with me. If I say, lets shoot nude. They will do it, so I dont want to hear anything about the law please thanks.

All help is appreciated thanks!

are you being physical? kino? just keep kino-ing harder and harder until something happens

How can I indicate if she likes it or not?

Probably because you are a big gaping vagina. Make the suggestive overtones and risk her calling you a creep or bad-mouthing you, or don't bother doing it at work if you cannot handle some types of rejections.

Now there is a smart way to do it and its just making a suggestive remark, a suggestive touch that doesn't linger...but you have no idea how they might take your advance. Just because you are getting *shock* models to pose butt-naked for shock ...modeling purposes, does not *shock* means they want to *shock* fuck you.

Quite easy, but only if they are going tbe sameway home as me... If they drive to the studio then they usually just hug me and go home :/ which is why I need proper help with this.

Dudebif this was the case they wont talk to ke about their lifes, they wont touch me back, they wont say yes to when I say "you look exhausted lets go somewhere to eat" this shock thing you tslk abouti bullshot, I dont pay these models sht they choose to work with me and always come back, why? "Your way of direction is so good, none of the other photographers I work with can do this"

I have said it before but I never usually force them. My problem is what do I do or say after the dinner?

Sorry if I soumd un educated, i'm typing from my phone so lote of spelling errors :/

Dude...you have so much context-dependent value. How the fuck are they not open to your advances?! If your work is that good, it should be easy to score a model here.

I think you're in a PRIME position to score one.....their value of you must be high up there. I think you can do it...but the thing is what exactly is holding you back?

Thats why I am here my man, I personally think the way I do things dis values them completely....I mean i'll literally throw some thing on the floor nd tell them to pose as if they reaching towards it, sometimes they say "Im not a dog you know" I ignore and move on but 85% of the time they do exactly what I say. With some models Im completely nice and treat the lm very individually but I must be doing something very wrong for them to not call, text or even message me over facebook.

I have this weird pride where I want them to contact me first...is that wrong? If i message them first things get very chatty, but I don't know how to go from chatty to flirty. I don't even know the meaning of "flirty" its taking the piss seriously.

1.) The models I work with dont get paid.
2.) They have worked with bigger companies than mine before and yet they still come back to me.
3.) Also I am not a nice guy, most of the time .... but being a total jerk doesnt work on some of the girls I know this trust me.

I need help to set up this during the date game, never heard of it never tried it. I end up talking about her life and I bullsht about mine.Thats about it. I want to be able to kino but I want to know when its the right time.

Also this is how it goes in the studio.

If they have never worked with me before, I slowly get them very comfortable, I then start to talk about their life's. I start to tell them to pose with certain emotion (there is a whole technique to this and it is the sole reason for why I am being so successful) basically I am able to make them feel certain emotions just by talking to them in certain tones of voice and telling them something.

I want to be able to not only strengthen my game with the people I work with but also socially.

More control over the other chicks in the studio? The fuck you talking about....your advice was good until that part.

To OP, sounds like you are seriously fucking new and it is not going to be easy to tell you to "just do it." Learn what exactly kino is (note...you keep stressing the "right time" - motherfucker no time will feel like the "right time" you just do), what escalation means (don't follow stupid ladders), how to convey interest (direct game is a great way to go and I'm a huge direct gamer...indirect game wastes time), and then that is all you can do. You seem to be intensely worried of getting rejected and seem like you want them to show you IOIs (indicators of interest) first. Women hardly show these, and you should not rely on them. The rest is up to her to accept your advances, want you, or want you to fuck them.

Pick up is not magical lines and shit that convince "hell no" girls into "yes" girls. Remember that. If you don't know how to flirt...it's pretty much just witty things that are suggestive...but you don't do it while you're working. Get them out somewhere, if they aren't open to a 1-on-1 outside of the studio..then you're shit out of luck.

Ok, I understand a little bit better now, my question is why not in the studio why outside? it never gets more 1v1 then working with a model that you personally picked out of the public socially?

I forgot to mention this my apologies, I approach some of these "models" from the public randomly and after working with me in most cases they get picked up by some big magazines or modeling agencies. I also have somewhat a social level of communication with them before the shoots.

Hell to this gimme your SPAM or something so I can fully explain my situation.

wow wow, relax dude, Im not that lust full atall. Sometimes here and there I do fall for one particular model, that fuking body that beautiful face perfect description of a girl my artistic mind has, it is this girl that I want to solo out. Also most of these girls are shy, how the fuck do I open to a shy girl like this?

Still need help, dont give up on me guys!