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LMAO. Your mom is hilarious. Why didn't that pass to you? :roll: :wink:
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You tell Tripp it's not your fault he doesn't have a proper sense of humor... and that he needs to leave you alone... and make sure to thank him for me because that was a very nice compliment. :)

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LMAO. Your mom is hilarious. Why didn't that pass to you? :roll: :wink:
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You tell Tripp it's not your fault he doesn't have a proper sense of humor... and that he needs to leave you alone... and make sure to thank him for me because that was a very nice compliment. :)
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 8:11 pm 
Ok, since I believe this one got wiped, let me post it again.

Zip, guys at times have cut-off points regarding who they will date, fuck, be seen with, etc. These cut-off points have to do with many different factors. Age, religion, maturity, education, kids/no kids, income level, status level, and other things. In other words, some guys actually have standards, lol. And some guys just go overboard and are unreasonable with their standards too.

So, would you say that women are stricter or more flexible with their standards? And, would you say that women share the same "types" of standards? Or are they completely different standards?

Oh, and yeah, you can pass this post to your mom too, as long as it's a proper enough question . . . :wink:


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Why is it that some girls think you want something more out of them than what you do? For instance, you can hold a conversation with a person, get the IOIs and such, and they totally dig you. You mention hanging out, and you get a response like "I'm not looking at dating right now" or "I don't want anything serious." If the conversation doesn't consist of anything remotely close to dating, speaking of ex's, or any other hints of dating or relationship, why in the hell would they assume I want to "date" them? One of the two I even made out with.


I have had that happen twice, and I usually respond with a "whoa..whoa...whoa girl, who said anything about "dating"? I'm just looking for a cool person to hang around and have some fun with. It takes a special person to "date" me!"


Second question. Can you find a guy very interesting, but not be attracted to him? I'll delve further on this if you need me to. I get told all the time that I'm one of the most interesting people they've ever met which is very cool in my book. 8) I only ask this to see what you say, in each of the cases, I saw the IOIs and knew the deal. I just wanted your opinion.


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Ok, since I believe this one got wiped, let me post it again.

Zip, guys at times have cut-off points regarding who they will date, fuck, be seen with, etc. These cut-off points have to do with many different factors. Age, religion, maturity, education, kids/no kids, income level, status level, and other things. In other words, some guys actually have standards, lol. And some guys just go overboard and are unreasonable with their standards too.

So, would you say that women are stricter or more flexible with their standards? And, would you say that women share the same "types" of standards? Or are they completely different standards?

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Bump.

This is a great question. And one that I'm particularly interested in as well.

My wife and I can't agree on who chose who. She thinks I chose her, and I think she chose me.

Perhaps we chose each other. What's most amazing is that we did so while I was in my mid-30's and she was in her early 30's.

Everything seemed so easy, so unlike just a few short years earlier. Just doesn't seem like that for many younger people today who are putting off committed relationships later and later. They hop, skip and jump around with multiple and often different people so much it seems to border on the bizarre from an adult perspective. I know this used to really frustrate me when I was attempting to evaluate girls as relationship material in my younger days.

Due in part to my early marriage and divorce, I gave up just trying to bed chicks with no commitment or evaluation period in my early 20's (partly due to the STD/AIDS epidemics in the '80's, and had some trouble finding women that felt this way as well). At the time it seemed most women that were my age just didn't seem to want anything other than a casual sexual relationship with a guy or multiple guys and even girls in some cases, while attempting to climb the social and career ladder for all it was worth. And my observation was that most of these sexual liaisons (for lack of a better word) had very little real underpinning.

I used to call it, have sex first, relationship second. Which seemed sort of counter-intuitive to me having been in a real relationship at an early age and having tasted real responsibility for another person.

Now I know many young people don't feel like they need to be saddled with a committed relationship absent the absolute best circumstance possible, and for many of them they don't need to be. Their opportunities outside of a committed relationship today, especially at younger ages are far better than they are inside of one, and certainly with the help of their parents (who are often more affluent and older than in the past) they don't need a partner to make it economically as they once did.

My theory is the age of committed relationships is creeping upward with every generation. And this is causing a conflict with biology among other things. I know my wife and I see more and more couples in their 30's that cannot conceive because they weren't ready to settle down, wanted to continue the indiscretions of youth into their late 20's, or didn't want to have children until later in life. Or in the worst cases their reproductive organs were harmed in some way by such promiscuous behavior. For instance, human papillomavirus (HPV) and other STD's that can cause infertility.

I read somewhere that a womans prime ages for reproduction are from 17-24 or so. So every year beyond these ages causes a decrease in the probability of a healthy child, or one at all.

Zip, as a young woman is this something that concerns you? Or is it something you just don't think about at this stage of your life? And do you think this causes men to view you and other women of these age groups differently, from a relationship perspective, than they would otherwise or than they have in the past?

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Hi Zip.

How to deal with girls that has strong morals and is religious?


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hey zip, while i generally handle things myself, I may require your assistance on a personal case. similarly relating to the reason i'm interested in the stalemate 101 which you're still punishing me on. All i can promise is you will find this one quite intriguing, if not more intriguing than anything you've seen before.

lmk..


and for momma zip.. she mentioned you were a cowboy's cheerleader at one point and a few other things. How often do you give zip a hard time about your conquests vs hers?

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This one got erased, like many others, so I'm back to ask again.

What is the general consensus about men and baseball caps? I love to wear mine, but at work I cannot. So I'm wondering if women thinks its tacky if a man wears one out. For the record, I wear a white A|X fitted cap, tilted a little to the side and up.

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Ok, since I believe this one got wiped, let me post it again.

Zip, guys at times have cut-off points regarding who they will date, fuck, be seen with, etc. These cut-off points have to do with many different factors. Age, religion, maturity, education, kids/no kids, income level, status level, and other things. In other words, some guys actually have standards, lol. And some guys just go overboard and are unreasonable with their standards too.

So, would you say that women are stricter or more flexible with their standards? And, would you say that women share the same "types" of standards? Or are they completely different standards?

Oh, and yeah, you can pass this post to your mom too, as long as it's a proper enough question . . . :wink:
This is a question where you're asking me to make a generalization. I hate these, but here we go:

I wouldn't say more strict or more flexible with standards...I just think that men and women's standards are generally different.

Women base who they will sleep/date/be seen with very harshly. That's why women blame buyer's remorse on "alcohol" or "it just happened" so that their standards are still socially in tact. Women, socially, have more to lose then men as far as sex/relationships go (anyone who has read Mystery's literature knows his theory on this issue.)

At the base levels of the brain: Women are looking for social proof (leadership,) protection (to some degree...or at least security,) and health/longevity (the father of your cubs won't drop dead/run away.)

The higher functions of the brain depends on environmental determinism. Is she a "modern" woman who is looking for casual sex and interested in exploring her sexuality with men of a certain experience/appearance caliber? Is she more of a traditionalist? Is she looking for a gentlemen/white knight who will be a great dad someday?

The same is true for men, but different qualities create different standards. At the base level of the brain...men are looking for reproductive value (and this is judged aesthetically.)

Forget the upper or higher functions of the brain for men and for women. The base standards are the ones that are the most powerful and the easiest to trigger (if you know what you're doing.)
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Girls are definately stricter in thier standards. They are just more flexible in taking the out of network guy and thinking they can change or mold him to FIT.....Look at the way a girl is always rearranging the same furniture or changing accessories on an outfit.

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My theory is the age of committed relationships is creeping upward with every generation. And this is causing a conflict with biology among other things. I know my wife and I see more and more couples in their 30's that cannot conceive because they weren't ready to settle down, wanted to continue the indiscretions of youth into their late 20's, or didn't want to have children until later in life. Or in the worst cases their reproductive organs were harmed in some way by such promiscuous behavior. For instance, human papillomavirus (HPV) and other STD's that can cause infertility.

I read somewhere that a womans prime ages for reproduction are from 17-24 or so. So every year beyond these ages causes a decrease in the probability of a healthy child, or one at all.

Zip, as a young woman is this something that concerns you? Or is it something you just don't think about at this stage of your life? And do you think this causes men to view you and other women of these age groups differently, from a relationship perspective, than they would otherwise or than they have in the past?
I'm not concerned with this for a few reasons... but mainly: I'm in my prime right now, and genetically speaking from my family health history...I'm going to be fine for a good long time.

As far as men's view of women of these age groups... I think it affects men's decisions on a subconscious level. I believe this is why men are visually stimulated... because they are designed to pick the most fertile candidate. This impulse grows stronger with the age of the man.

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Why is it that some girls think you want something more out of them than what you do? For instance, you can hold a conversation with a person, get the IOIs and such, and they totally dig you. You mention hanging out, and you get a response like "I'm not looking at dating right now" or "I don't want anything serious." If the conversation doesn't consist of anything remotely close to dating, speaking of ex's, or any other hints of dating or relationship, why in the hell would they assume I want to "date" them? One of the two I even made out with.


I have had that happen twice, and I usually respond with a "whoa..whoa...whoa girl, who said anything about "dating"? I'm just looking for a cool person to hang around and have some fun with. It takes a special person to "date" me!"
Why do girls think that you want something more out of them than you actually do? BECAUSE YOU DO WANT SOMETHING MORE OUT OF THEM THAN THEY ARE WILLING TO GIVE YOU FOR FREE!

Girls are automatically in the game. Men choose to be in the game. Women are bombarded all day long with men wanting something, but not wanting to give something to get the goods. It's a protective strategy to call you out. She doesn't necessarily mean she doesn't want to date right now. It's a power-play. Call it a girl neg with the adverse result as the goal.

One or two you actually made out with? Okay. And?
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Momma Deb's answer: Is this a generalization or does it happen in specific times and circumstances. What have you given in the conversation or "kiss" that said you didn't want a relationship? Maybe her protective mode has come out. Maybe she's really not interested in wasting her time "hanging out" if in fact she is interested in more and wants to protect herself from getting in further with someone who thinks she's only "Hanging Out Material"? She could be straight forward about how she's feeling right now, but also not allowing herself a shot at something else.
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Second question. Can you find a guy very interesting, but not be attracted to him? I'll delve further on this if you need me to. I get told all the time that I'm one of the most interesting people they've ever met which is very cool in my book. 8) I only ask this to see what you say, in each of the cases, I saw the IOIs and knew the deal. I just wanted your opinion.
Absolutely. Attraction is not a choice. It doesn't concern the upper functionality of the brain. Women's sexuality is mental...but it's hinged on the primal.

Finding someone interesting is a conscious decision. It means you entertain the upper functionality of her brain.

Although these two are different, they are not mutually exclusive.

Also, you have to be careful, because "interesting" is a word I use to describe people that I have no desire to sleep with or date... but find them entertaining enough to not scare away.
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Momma Deb's answer: Very interesting, intellectually stimulating does not always equate to pheromones

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Hi Zip.

How to deal with girls that has strong morals and is religious?
Well, be more specific... are you trying to talk to her? are you trying to fuck her? do you want a relationship with her? FB?

Basically, religion is something that human beings adopt after birth and brain development in a social setting. Sex and dependent relationships are innate. We come with all that stuff stored in our genetic web and it pops up during puberty.

You gotta appeal to her on a primal level. Rewire it. However, this is tricky and has great potential for evil-doing.

Remember: Leave them better than you found them.
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Momma Deb's answer: With respect and tolerance. Being religious doesn't always mean no to a fulfilling relationship. An over dependence on religion can be an indicator of an insecurity. Strong Morals and Religious beliefs can be a definate choice or a crutch to make your way when you don't have the self assurance to investigate it and choose the same way fully informed. So back to the question, the answer is respect and tolerance.

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and for momma zip.. she mentioned you were a cowboy's cheerleader at one point and a few other things. How often do you give zip a hard time about your conquests vs hers?
Momma Deb's answer: Okay, I am a pretty cool lady who has done a bunch of pretty cool things in several communities. However, Zip gives me a run for my money. I don't know if she's told you all the places she's been/lived or the different people she's worked with... and I won't give it away. Y'all are pretty lucky to have her helping you out, I'll just leave it at that.

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This one got erased, like many others, so I'm back to ask again.

What is the general consensus about men and baseball caps? I love to wear mine, but at work I cannot. So I'm wondering if women thinks its tacky if a man wears one out. For the record, I wear a white A|X fitted cap, tilted a little to the side and up.

Thanks.
I'm just putting Momma Deb's answer on here because it's brilliant:
Love baseball caps.... Hate the passe cockeyed look. Care enough to put your look together and wear the cap ON you head. Your attitude should be in your manner and conduct not trying to put a silly sign on your forehead saying look at me I THINK I'm cocky..not watch and listen to me and see how self assured I am and that I actually have reason to be!!!!! Silly tilted hates make me think of little boys.... Again, I love baseball caps and Men who know how to wear them.

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