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Why do women dress sexy? For sexual attention.
They dress sexy to get attention period. Every girl knows if she wants attention she is going to have to show off some skin, its really that simple. If she wants sexual attention she just has to act sexual.
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Why would you need to dress better than other women? To be a higher possible more valued sexual mate.
First off to compete with other girls as well because girls compete with each other all the time. The other is to gain or gather more attention from guys and to steal what attention some other girl may get.
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Why would women want to look sexy? To appear as a strong sexual mate.

Why would she want to do that? To meet a strong possible sexual mate.
Wrong. Its about getting attention period. It has NOTHING to do with being sexual. If a girl wants sexual attention her body language is going to reflect it, not her clothing.
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Think of it this way - When you first started working out did you do it to look sexy for women or to feel good?
What about doing it for your health?
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When you looked for a better job (maybe to eat or for less stress (survival)) or status upgrade was it for you to have an easier time doing something or to be more attractive to women?
Or you just want to make more in general because you want a better life for your self.
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Most of our behaviors have something to do with surviving or sex (to raise our status as a possible mate). Hell we are all on a forum dedicated to getting sex more often.
Not all of our behaviors has something do with surviving or sex, and not all on this forum to get sex more often. Yes a lot of our behaviors can be connected to survival and sex in some manner, but that doesn't mean we acted for that reason. Yes survival and sex can factor in or influence our behavior, but we are not primal beings that act out purely on animalistic behavior all the time. We have evolved far from our early beginnings. If all our behavior was solely based upon survival and sex then explain the double standard with girls that dress sexy at a club and turn down guys that approach them with clear intentions to have sex with them. Because by your logic the girl would agree to having sex no?


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I don't feel like getting to far into this but it is pretty basic, we are animals our own purpose is to survive and continue the species.

What we truly need is food and water as well as basic shelter. Not cable, electricity, or gas, as we proved before the last 120 years.

What we want are things like cars (nicer cars is higher status), bigger places, bigger tvs, FINANCIAL STATUS SYMBOLS. The only reason for that could possibly be is to distinguish your self as a good possible sexual mate.

When we try and fit in we are not doing anything we need in reality, when we try and fit in it is to increase our possible sexual opportunities. Otherwise who gives a fuck? Seriously, why do you try and fit in?

I'm quite a bit more science minded then you, so you'll never agree with me but even trying to fit in or out compete the girls shows a need for sexual attention. A woman who wants sexual attention is trying to appear as a suitable sexual mate. That is all I'm saying, only one reason to do that. We've all game girls who were "taken" but not that moment. I've had "taken" girls put there number in my phone and text to hang out.

So just because she has a boyfriend doesn't mean she won't cheat.

If her clothing shows available, she is likely available if you got game.

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When we try and fit in we are not doing anything we need in reality, when we try and fit in it is to increase our possible sexual opportunities. Otherwise who gives a fuck? Seriously, why do you try and fit in?
I don't try to fit in, never have really. Not to say I am an outcast. But for me I find it boring really trying to fit it. See no fun or excitement in it. But that is just me.
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I'm quite a bit more science minded then you, so you'll never agree with me but even trying to fit in or out compete the girls shows a need for sexual attention. A woman who wants sexual attention is trying to appear as a suitable sexual mate. That is all I'm saying, only one reason to do that. We've all game girls who were "taken" but not that moment. I've had "taken" girls put there number in my phone and text to hang out.
I am not disagreeing with you on the science side. As it is no doubt there and that it can and does affect our behavior. But you should and need to look past the science of things and look at the social non science side of things. As I am not talking about science here but social behavior. Yes we are still animals at our core, but that doesn't mean we always act on it. We are no longer hunter's and gathers.

I do get your point, and I don't disagree with it totally but I also don't think it is always true all the time. Some girls show off skin just to get attention that's it. We as humans want attention from others. Its why most suicide attempts never succeed as well its a cry for attention. Its basically the same thing here. As its just a "look at me" sort of thing. There are girls that do dress up to show that they are available or want to get laid. But its not something that is 100% all the time.


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If a girl is pretending to be drunk when she is not that much(for justification of sluttiness), if the girl is a flight attendant, or traveling for biz,vacation, break from college, if the girl is from out of town, A girl talks bad about her relationship or partner during interaction, Engage or married dancing too sensual with you or giving you iois during conversation, sometimes birthday or bachelorate. Also, if she is peer pressure by her group to be with you. Finally, in some cases cause her female friend or friends are about to get banged by someone they met, the group mentality. Edit forgot the cougars or older women..
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Wrong. Its about getting attention period. It has NOTHING to do with being sexual. If a girl wants sexual attention her body language is going to reflect it, not her clothing.
Come on... that's rubbish man. When girls go out to "find someone to bang" then will dress up sexier than they normally do... it's obvious.

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When we try and fit in we are not doing anything we need in reality, when we try and fit in it is to increase our possible sexual opportunities. Otherwise who gives a fuck? Seriously, why do you try and fit in?
I don't try to fit in, never have really. Not to say I am an outcast. But for me I find it boring really trying to fit it. See no fun or excitement in it. But that is just me.
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I'm quite a bit more science minded then you, so you'll never agree with me but even trying to fit in or out compete the girls shows a need for sexual attention. A woman who wants sexual attention is trying to appear as a suitable sexual mate. That is all I'm saying, only one reason to do that. We've all game girls who were "taken" but not that moment. I've had "taken" girls put there number in my phone and text to hang out.
I am not disagreeing with you on the science side. As it is no doubt there and that it can and does affect our behavior. But you should and need to look past the science of things and look at the social non science side of things. As I am not talking about science here but social behavior. Yes we are still animals at our core, but that doesn't mean we always act on it. We are no longer hunter's and gathers.

I do get your point, and I don't disagree with it totally but I also don't think it is always true all the time. Some girls show off skin just to get attention that's it. We as humans want attention from others. Its why most suicide attempts never succeed as well its a cry for attention. Its basically the same thing here. As its just a "look at me" sort of thing. There are girls that do dress up to show that they are available or want to get laid. But its not something that is 100% all the time.
Keep in mind we are talking about not being too outrageous I'm talking about the fact that you could have wore pajamas out and you didn't, why? I'm also referring to women and how they all dress formal or semi-formal to fit the environment. If not they would wear something less flattering.

You can't separate out behaviors because technology has been upgraded. Why would you be able to do that? Oh the monkey is using the stick to get bugs out the tree to eat, now he isn't motivated by food or to maintain a species, lol seriously? OUR BEHAVIOR ISN'T THAT DIFFERENT THAN 100 YEARS AGO! It makes no sense oh technology is upgraded so now we don't care to push forwards and continue on as a species. Come on, I'm merely asking for logic here. Stop being a human and be an alien studying humans you'll understand me more.

LOOK at ME sort of thing is a behavior too make yourself appear as a better possible sexual mate. There is no reason to maintain such a behavior unless you want to be thought of in a sexual way, the only reason to be though of in a sexual way is for sex, even if subconsciously.

As someone that has studied a ton of body language and I do mean a ton, you have to realize we are animals. All of our body language behaviors boil down to those 2 things. Why do you protect yourself or fear? Survival why do you feel pain? To know not to do something to survive(fire hot, falling, pain, etc). Anger? Developed to react to danger to survive. Happiness? Display yourself as a confident alpha male. Seriously ALL OF OUR BEHAVIORS boil down to those two things looking sexual is no different. OTHERWISE YOU'D BE FEARLESS IN DRESSING DOWN BELOW EVERYONE. Status is about looking like a strong sexual mate. Which is for why? SEX or to look like an animal worth continuing the species with.

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Why do women dress sexy? For sexual attention.
They dress sexy to get attention period. Every girl knows if she wants attention she is going to have to show off some skin, its really that simple. If she wants sexual attention she just has to act sexual.
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Why would you need to dress better than other women? To be a higher possible more valued sexual mate.
First off to compete with other girls as well because girls compete with each other all the time. The other is to gain or gather more attention from guys and to steal what attention some other girl may get.
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Why would women want to look sexy? To appear as a strong sexual mate.

Why would she want to do that? To meet a strong possible sexual mate.
Wrong. Its about getting attention period. It has NOTHING to do with being sexual. If a girl wants sexual attention her body language is going to reflect it, not her clothing.
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Think of it this way - When you first started working out did you do it to look sexy for women or to feel good?
What about doing it for your health?
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When you looked for a better job (maybe to eat or for less stress (survival)) or status upgrade was it for you to have an easier time doing something or to be more attractive to women?
Or you just want to make more in general because you want a better life for your self.
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Most of our behaviors have something to do with surviving or sex (to raise our status as a possible mate). Hell we are all on a forum dedicated to getting sex more often.
Not all of our behaviors has something do with surviving or sex, and not all on this forum to get sex more often. Yes a lot of our behaviors can be connected to survival and sex in some manner, but that doesn't mean we acted for that reason. Yes survival and sex can factor in or influence our behavior, but we are not primal beings that act out purely on animalistic behavior all the time. We have evolved far from our early beginnings. If all our behavior was solely based upon survival and sex then explain the double standard with girls that dress sexy at a club and turn down guys that approach them with clear intentions to have sex with them. Because by your logic the girl would agree to having sex no?

^ Jurupa as always right on point... Good job dude!

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I would like to add two nonverbal signs to this thread.
  • 1. When a woman has a boyfriend or husband. Majority of women (80% according to this study, http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162- ... 91704.html), fake their orgasms because their dude just didn't know how to give a proper fuck. Too many nights of non-orgasmic events with the boyfriend or husband escalate to extreme frustration making them DTF. I think this is the same reason why Retired Rodeo is so successful in his target demographics. Your chances for an f-close is 80%-- if you got good game. This is also the same reason why I f-close more women with boyfriends/husbands than those without.

    2. When her pupils dilate when you eye fuck her. A good detailed example here is Clozer's Cloze #13 Sacchi 24, Instant F Cloze, here: 10-vt89072.html?start=135
I personally find these nonverbal signs very useful in my f-closes. :twisted:

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I would like to add two nonverbal signs to this thread.
  • 1. When a woman has a boyfriend or husband. Majority of women (80% according to this study, http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504763_162- ... 91704.html), fake their orgasms because their dude just didn't know how to give a proper fuck. Too many nights of non-orgasmic events with the boyfriend or husband escalate to extreme frustration making them DTF. I think this is the same reason why Retired Rodeo is so successful in his target demographics. Your chances for an f-close is 80%-- if you got good game. This is also the same reason why I f-close more women with boyfriends/husbands than those without.

    2. When her pupils dilate when you eye fuck her. A good detailed example here is Clozer's Cloze #13 Sacchi 24, Instant F Cloze, here: 10-vt89072.html?start=135
I personally find these nonverbal signs very useful in my f-closes. :twisted:

Here is the problem i have with poetic lately and sometimes with hellhound, is that all this scientific reasearches/science can cause what we call in the community major MENTAL MASTURBATION.... the pupils one is right the fuck your eyes(as we all know holding eye contact is a super powerful weapon) so hellhound the eye contact is right..BUT, the idea that married or women with bf(which just like retired rodeo, or probably more i have an inventory of those women) have very little to do with the "i do not get an orgasm i am frustrated let me cheat" it usually does not happen like that, most of them cheat BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT HAPPY, THEY ARE NOT EMOTIONALY CONNECTED TO THE HUBBY/BF, they know they are in the relationship for being in a relationship ROOMATES kind of thing, due to the kids etc... RR like me and the sex man is older so he probably deals with Cougars, milf, older women, these girls have been around, they know exactly what they want, and they don't fuck around so in that aspects they are dtf, now like hobbit(i hardly ever if ever agree with him), this is a good example of causation/correlation he was talking about...The hubby/bf has gotten to comfortable in the relationship, and neglected them big time kind of thing, and women will forgive and forgive and forgive, but there is a point they kind of can not take it anymore, and they are DONE. So they stay with the dude like i said for the kids, finances etc...

Back to all this research and all that stuff, how many different researches on diet and exercise for example that keep coming up and then contradicting themselves...
who were the kings of research and all this stuff back in the day MM and Tyler durden...

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BUT, the idea that married or women with bf(which just like retired rodeo, or probably more i have an inventory of those women) have very little to do with the "i do not get an orgasm i am frustrated let me cheat" it usually does not happen like that, most of them cheat BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT HAPPY, THEY ARE NOT EMOTIONALY CONNECTED TO THE HUBBY/BF
The major flaw of your argument is that women are not emotionally connected to their vibrators nor are men emotionally connected to their jack off machines and yet they continue to use these equipment to achieve consistent orgasms.

Another flaw is that the presence or absence of sexual satisfaction in a relationship determines in a major way whether the couple are emotionally happy in the relationship. A woman is not happy with her relationship mainly because she is not having vaginal orgasms with the guy. Emotional happiness and sexual satisfaction go together in a healthy relationship. Women can't be happy with consistent orgasmic failure. Women are in fact more emotionally satisfied and happy in a relationship than men when women are sexually satisfied.
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Happiness of the steady relationship and satisfaction with sexual intercourse influence the evaluation of one's sexual life as a whole to the same extent. The correlation coefficient between overall sexual satisfaction and satisfaction with sexual intercourse was for men .40 and for women .47 and that between overall sexual satisfaction and happiness of the steady relationship was, respectively, for men .36 and for women .44 (page 10).
It's not the other way around dude, statistically speaking. :twisted:

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Wrong. Its about getting attention period. It has NOTHING to do with being sexual. If a girl wants sexual attention her body language is going to reflect it, not her clothing.
Come on... that's rubbish man. When girls go out to "find someone to bang" then will dress up sexier than they normally do... it's obvious.
No its not. Just because a girl dresses sexy doesn't mean she wants to find some to bang. You NEED the body language to go with it other wise she is just looking for attention for the sake of attention. Do this, the next time you go to a bar or club look at the body language of the girls that are dress up all sexy. I bet if you do this you will see most are not expression or showing sexual body language but more showing body language saying "look at me".


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Keep in mind we are talking about not being too outrageous I'm talking about the fact that you could have wore pajamas out and you didn't, why? I'm also referring to women and how they all dress formal or semi-formal to fit the environment. If not they would wear something less flattering.
Who said I never wore pj's out? Not sure what sort of definition you are using for formal when it comes to clothing, but I highly doubt girls given the chance will dress down or wear something not flattering. You seem to forget that girls compete amongst themselves for various reasons. We as a society have also made our cultural very sex oriented and such it has made or encourage girls to dress in ways that show themselves off.
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You can't separate out behaviors because technology has been upgraded. Why would you be able to do that? Oh the monkey is using the stick to get bugs out the tree to eat, now he isn't motivated by food or to maintain a species, lol seriously? OUR BEHAVIOR ISN'T THAT DIFFERENT THAN 100 YEARS AGO! It makes no sense oh technology is upgraded so now we don't care to push forwards and continue on as a species. Come on, I'm merely asking for logic here. Stop being a human and be an alien studying humans you'll understand me more.
Who said anything about technology? I am talking about how humans have evolved over time. Obviously we still need to eat, sleep etc. I am not saying we still don't act on animalistic as we do. But the primal urges that we once operated on are not exactly there any more. FYI I am using logic here. You seem to be very much stuck on the whole animal side of things. I am saying to look past that as that doesn't dictate our behavior as much as its once use to. We don't need all of the survival instincts we once had. Nor do we act as animalistic as we once where.
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LOOK at ME sort of thing is a behavior too make yourself appear as a better possible sexual mate. There is no reason to maintain such a behavior unless you want to be thought of in a sexual way, the only reason to be though of in a sexual way is for sex, even if subconsciously.
Have you thought that it may not be always the case? And that a girl may want attention for sake of attention?


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I know what the problem is, poetic is in Utah(that is probably why he has this strong believe), utah very mormon and conservative state... I am in South Florida, where every girl is pretty much naked...

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I know what the problem is, poetic is in Utah(that is probably why he has this strong believe), utah very mormon and conservative state... I am in South Florida, where every girl is pretty much naked...
LOL- How many times have you been here?

I say this based off of scientific research.

You are saying I'm complicating it because I say if she has less clothes and is dressing sexy she is available, if only for the night.

You are the one saying well sometimes, na fuck that, if a girl is dressed up, especially showing skin she is dtf, in a relationship or not. THIS IS RESEARCH AND EXPERIENCE.

Have you fucked girls in a relationship? If they are available their attire will say so. STRAIGHT UP.

I can tell a woman who is available sexually purely off of her apparel, why? A woman who gets enough sex doesn't need sexual attention. A woman who needs sexual attention needs sex, simple not even complicated. This conversation is so ridiculously irrational.

Once you understand as much about Humans as I do I'll give you love. As always exceptions will exist, it's a part of being human but a woman dresses sexy to get laid or will fuck if she dresses sexy.

I'm over this argument, the stupidity of people is getting annoying. People who don't think in a scientific manner or who haven't researched this will not get my respect on this. There is no more argument from me. Either you want the facts or you want how you feel, it's human to want how you feel so I understand. Don't argue with me about something you posted of my work straight up don't post it.

I know more about courtship, attraction, and the process then most people when t comes to the science (even on here). I am tired of defending facts and will no longer do it.

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I know what the problem is, poetic is in Utah(that is probably why he has this strong believe), utah very mormon and conservative state... I am in South Florida, where every girl is pretty much naked...
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LOL- How many times have you been here?
none a pua name kamui from there told me something along those lines...
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I say this based off of scientific research.
I don't do scientific research i base my stuff on the field, i been going out to clubs for almost 20 years every weekend, so i am talking based on my experience in south florida, i do not agree with you on the smiling stuff either it is ok to disagree...
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You are saying I'm complicating it because I say if she has less clothes and is dressing sexy she is available, if only for the night.
Yes night time, clubs, bar, lounges, but mainly clubs...
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You are the one saying well sometimes, na fuck that, if a girl is dressed up, especially showing skin she is dtf, in a relationship or not. THIS IS RESEARCH AND EXPERIENCE.
ok so your experience and mine different.. Which is ok..
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Have you fucked girls in a relationship? If they are available their attire will say so. STRAIGHT UP.
I fuked girls in a relationship and married, some where dress super sexy(a minority) most were dress NORMAL

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can tell a woman who is available sexually purely off of her apparel, why? A woman who gets enough sex doesn't need sexual attention. A woman who needs sexual attention needs sex, simple not even complicated. This conversation is so ridiculously irrational.
Okay i hope some day somehow you come to South Florida, and i will take you out, and prove you wrong...(look at the video of a typical night in south florida)
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Once you understand as much about Humans as I do I'll give you love. As always exceptions will exist, it's a part of being human but a woman dresses sexy to get laid or will fuck if she dresses sexy.
dude Jurupa(i think he is from Cali which is very similar to South Florida and New York, i thing geographical location may play a factor) explain it better than me, love or not, i love you dude, and agree with you most of the time, but the dressing sexy i disagree on, so i agree with your post is exellent, disagree on the dressing sexy, the same with the perfect opener, agree most of the stuff, the smiling don't agree on... On rsd for example they all have different approaches and game, and they are from the same crew... my experiences on the dressing sexy is totally different than yours, actually if a girl dress to sexy in a club she will BE MORE GUARDED THAN NORMAL... (higuer bitch shield) they are scare a jerk will lift the skirt up and finger them and shit like that...
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I'm over this argument, the stupidity of people is getting annoying. People who don't think in a scientific manner or who haven't researched this will not get my respect on this. There is no more argument from me. Either you want the facts or you want how you feel, it's human to want how you feel so I understand. Don't argue with me about something you posted of my work straight up don't post it.
is not an argument is a discussion, we can agree to disagree.. Is ok to disagree, i never been the kissing ass type, i am extremely blunt.. The article is EXCELLENT, The dressing sexy is on a case by case basis, but the idea of dressing sexy means dtf, is kind of crazy dude...
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I know more about courtship, attraction, and the process then most people when t comes to the science (even on here). I am tired of defending facts and will no longer do it.

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You probably do, my game is a physical, escalation, sexual game, i worry about all the other stuff AFTER i fuck them...

Here is a typical club in South Florida( 90 to 95% of the girls dress and act like this, and trust me they are not dtf)


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