This is my second Report it will report of a C&F waitress approach and a #Close with a 6-7 Blonde.

First the C&F.

Background- Trip for a meal with my wing (Martini was my idea but unfortunately he didnt take the suggestion and has gone for PrettyBIGDeal look out for his posts soon)

Report- Going to TGI Fridays on a saturday is extremely busy so I talked to the head waitress and made a resrvation and gave some talk sbout her giving us special SPAM after a bit of back and forth she replied by saying if you come earlier I will try to fit you in.
After talking to a few girls around the shopping centre and asking some others for directions and making small talk I returned to the holy place (TGI Fridays) We dropped lucky and had an easy 8 Blond waitress called Katie (I seem to have a strange way of always meeting a katie?) I began by making her laugh by saying we should be her favourite. When she returned I said look your back again cant stay away can you? This continued and she got us drinks I said she is giving us preferencial SPAM. When we came to ordering main course I said she should sit down which she did this is where I said "I know your dying to ask so my name is ***** and she introduced herself. Near the end of the night I began to ask her where the best clubs are where she responded and then pened up by telling me some information about herself. When she bought the bill I asked if she was to shy for my number after some back and forth I asked for a pen. I wrote half my number on the receipt with the note that read "Im not that easy I will give you the rest if you follow through stalking me to lloyds bar" I gave it her and left.

The routine was good but maybe I pushed it to far with the number close?

She gave me personal details like what she does and where she lives with no questioning from me. Is that good like her showing Interest?

And Information and tips would be welcomed. I will write up the second part about the Club Girl In a post tomorrow. Thank you.

- Masterstroke

Masterstroke,

First of all, brilliant routine to be quite honest. And NO, you did not push too far.. Delivering unique-ness and applying to targets are definitely good news (something we like to call it as Coys)... Be confident and show your flairs because you can!!!

Second, she tells you her personality without even being asked by you means I.O.I's!!! It is obviously an indication of interest!!

Keep on continuing your game, but be confident (not over-confident). If i might add, apply KINO the next time you sarge, and a kiss in the forehead to women just when your about to leave will give them that tingling butterflies effect, I assure you that ...

All the best, cheers...

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Well done for getting out there and giving it a go!
Brutal short points but only because I have limited time. Apply these never break these rules.

Never ask for directions (DLV)

Take her # never give yours.

Despite how well rapport was established never ever give your name until asked yours.

Your negs were good, probably needed 1 more although your cockiness has already raised your value which is sort of what a neg is designed for (lowering hers)

DHV more, spot some real IOI's.. hired guns are ALWAYS going to be nice to you. Real IOI's are grooming and sustained eye contact.

You mentioned she was telling you where she lived and personal details, she shouldn't of been mentioning any of this unless she extremely vein and brought it up herself. You must display your personality and ultimately, your value. She must be asking you these questions before you can ask hers.

Don't use any negative vocabulary like the word "stalk"

Am not surprised you didn't get the close. Waitresses get hit on ALL day. You need to be the exception to the rule, chat talk and laugh about things that she's never spoken in convo with before while working. Give her a nickname, drop a time constraint even.

Well done on the sarge.

Peace,
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Ill begin by saying thank you for taking the time to read my report. Apologies for the late reply. Brown-eyed thank you for your comments ill definetley try the forhead tip next time I sarge.
Thanks also to natureinthecity your points have given me plenty of food for thought.
Just a few questions I have,

1- Is there any approach or time when directions can be used? Or is it just a write off?

2- If done in a cocky funny way is it okay to ask there name if I use a line such as "I know your dying to ask so my name is ****" or is it the same as above a no no.

On a side note im confused exactly how you put across DHV is it possible anyone can define the process with examples which dont just use routines such as The cube or ESP. Thank you.

- Masterstroke

P.S Club girl report coming soon.

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Being new to this forum community, doesn't make me new to picking up girls, good Sir.

Whilst your post was very opinionated and non-factual, I tend to agree that 'The PUA' T.V series was a whole lot of bs, but inside all bullshit is grains of truth if you're able to look past the shell.

Some members of the forum will want more detailed advice than:
"If she doesn't leave and she's still in your presence...that's the ONLY IOI you need to look after."
"The only DHV is you being a man. That's your DHV."

I know when I got into pickup I needed as much theoretical understanding as I could get.

I agree with your point 'just assume its on'. That's a great mind-frame to have and it's the mind frame you want to have every time. -You are the Prize.

Some people will talk to you out of social-conditioning, or politeness. The rest will hopefully be talking to you because you're doing things right. That's just one reason why IOI's are so useful.

What about when it's time to start kino-escalating. If we just do it 'because shes still standing there talking to us' - then I could start to see shit going badly. That's why knowing what IOI's are, and being able to spot them, is so useful. After 7 IOI's you should initiate kino. To this day kino has never gone badly for me using this technique.

Is there only one way to pick up woman? I don't think so Sir, so some people may want to try other ways. I'm posting here not to defend my ways of picking up woman, just to give advice to others such as the opening poster.

Moving back to the OP.

1- Is there any approach or time when directions can be used? Or is it just a write off?

- Asking for directions is a demonstration of lower value. Woman are hard-wired to be attracted to a man with high value. We're just starting off on the wrong foot here. Asking for the time is similar, however worse than that it's cliché, she may suspect immediately that you're trying to pick her up or something similar.

That being said, it's not impossible to recover from that, I would just highly recommend not asking those questions until you start having a high success rate with woman you approach.

2- If done in a cocky funny way is it okay to ask there name if I use a line such as "I know your dying to ask so my name is ****" or is it the same as above a no no.

-There is a saying in The Game, if you start thinking about what's in a woman's pants before she starts thinking about what's in yours, then you've lost her. This is sort of the same with asking names. This is PURELY just my view. When she asks what your name is this is a significant IOI and you know you're heading in the right steps.

Some situations when it's good to bring in names, when her friends come over you must demonstrate how socially savey you are.. "Introduce me to your friends thats the polite thing to do"

Sometimes your wing will come into your set before you've exchanged names. This is once again a time to demonstrate your social prowess.

"On a side note im confused exactly how you put across DHV is it possible anyone can define the process with examples which dont just use routines such as The cube or ESP. Thank you."

The cube should be used much later in the set as it is time-consuming and requires sustained attention.

DHV'ing is probably the most important part of pickup (In my opinion). This is where you build all the attraction.
DHV's:
You're the tribal leader.
1. You come pre-selected (you've had beautiful girlfriends)
2. You're the leader of men
3. You're the protector of loved ones

DHVing is easy, drop in a quick story that incorporates any of those points. It's been so long that I've actually studied correct ways to DHV that I would recommend you watch a video on it asap from a reliable source such as Mystery or Style. I'm going to do it again now just for interest sake. DHVing is one of those things that once learned properly, you will never forget and always do it automatically.
Remember when you DHV via storytelling to speak slowly.

Most of your DHVing will be done in person, body language, smile, tone.

Best of luck.
D

They want more advice because they have no idea what needs to be done to pick-up a girl...they all have the same impression as you that pick-up is this cartoon version of a guy calibrating every little move and every little word to the girl's reaction. It's not like that mate...go ask anyone who's good at this
You do not wait for IOI's to be physical..it's the worst mistake you can do. Go approach a HOT girl...not a HB 6.5 and then tell it's a 9...but a real stunner that gets hit on every day...see if she'll give you 7 IOI's so you can escalate. No bro she will not give you 7 IOI's it's ridiculous. You escalate right from the start, it actually creates attraction. Yes being physical means you go after what you want and that's an attractive trait that unconsciously, she will feel more attracted.

Your advice is based on reading...you read these stuff about DLV and DHV and now you think you know that's how picking-up is done..by following rigid rules. In reality, it's the complete opposite of all the things you said that this guy needs to follow.
Dude...I closed girls asking for directions, asking for the time, saying that she looks like a zebra or like a bird who's been kicked out of the zoo, saying she needs to go to the doctor for brain surgery and a lot of funny shit. Again..you're in the cartoon version of pick-up...the opener doesn't mean shit...me and my friends have proven many many many times...there's no DLV when you open. Why are you afraid that she thinks you're trying to pick her up?? You're a man..she's a woman..fucking of course you're trying to pick her up. Why are you hiding your intentions?? Be a fucking man..stop hiding with lines and routines behind what you truly want so you can "trick" the girl in giving you her number or sleeping with her.

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Watch this mate..

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From The Mystery Method. All rights/ownership to him and his book.

"If your frame is strong enough, you can get away With anything.
This concept underpins every piece of advice in this book. If you have
the right frame and it is strong enough, you can break every rule and
literally anything will work. Your approach might be wrong technically,
but she will still respond. For a newbie, buying drinks for girls is
a bad move, but everyone has a story where someone bought drinks
and still got the girl. Which is the right way? Buy her that drink or not?
The field will give you the answers that you seek. Go, and be in the field,
and listen to your intuition there. Over time you will socially calibrate."