So I been chatting with this girl, mainly online and I like her... But she plays these odd tactics with me. She hasn't given any large IOI's yet, keep in mind. But I'll message her and like she won't reply, so the convo went likd this:

Me: Why Hello there
*No Reply*
Me: This is the part where you say "Hi" xD
Her: Hi lol
Me: I don't believe it, she's alive!
Her: (something like) Ya, I've been on the busy side lately lol.

(1) What does it mean if Girls try and say they were busy? I don't think she's totally avoiding me cause 1. she hasn't given me a chance yet and 2. We don't talk as much.

(2) So I have a tactic to fix it and wanted to see what you guys thought... After that I asked her like a generic question and she responded, but I'm not gonna respond back until tomorrow, to kinda gain power and show her I'm not as interested. The paradox is I don't want to come off as needy, yet I Want to get her talking. I don't want to flood her inbox with messages, so what do you guys think about me playing this tactic? Not replying back until tomorrow (like she does).

Important: Also if you have any tips on what to do in this situation let ne know.

Try something like
if your e-mailing her-
"it's ok if you can't reply because your using the public library's computer and the library only has certain hours"
If your texting her
"i understand if you don't have unlimited texting, it's hard paying for each text"

Put whichever one of those your using ontop of this-
"but here's a tip: you're doing this whole flirting thing wrong, you're supposed to play hard to get AFTER we meet. Not before sweetie "

If your using text that's probably fine since you don't wanna write a lot, if you're e-mailing you can add-
"how are we going to get to know each other like 2 people if we dont talk like 2 regular people?"

If you get 1 word reply or something stupid just leave her and move on, no reason wasting your time talking to a wall

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Hey dude,

just in general: It is vain to think that you can beat somebody at their own game. Instead you should try to pull the other in your own game and beat them at your own terms.

That being said: how do you expect to 'beat her at her own game' if you are wondering what she means with every phrase she texts? If you are doing that, she is pulling you in, while it should be the other way round.

Somebody else on this forum already said it, it is not pretending to be unneedy, you should BE unneedy. Salvation actually lies in being brutally honest with yourself here and think about hte following: You kinda like her so you feel like you want to stay in touch. This feeling makes you wanna send texts. Now, (and here comes the honesty part) if you had made a good impression and made her really interested, wouldnt you think she would feel about the same urge to stay in touch with you? Dont you think she would contact you herself eventually? One day is nothing, two days is the benefit of the doubt, i havent met anybody who could keep it up for more then 3 days if they are really interested at that time.

What can happen is that you made a good impression but things happen and contact is lost. But if she really was attracted to you, your paths will cross again, be it in real life, FB or whatever. She will remember.

Given this information, and you now being honest with yourself, no lies, pretexts or trying to get into her mind: what do you think?

cheers

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LD, Charblad thanks for the posts. Let me try and explain. I'm not really trying to beat her at her own game, I didn't mean it that serious lol. I'm just trying to preserve my value, not be childish. I don't want to put her on a pedastool.

A little info on her: she's a religious leader in a church her Father pastors in, so there's sort of a thing that she may be going through of not wanting to be seen as a bad girl, or she may say to others she doesn't have time for a BF. And 1. to be honest like you said LD, maybe if she was interested in me more I'd get more attention, even though it feels bad to admit that.

Also she is on the West Coast I'm on the East Coast. I talk to her over a messenger. Recently I had to get my head in check and stop putting her on a pedastool, I'm taking my friend Charblads advice and gaming her like idc if I get her or not abd treating her like she's any other girl.

this is just really bad. youre coming across as very needy and affection-seeking. say hi and if she doesnt respond just wait for her to get back to you or move on. when she finally does respond, shes being short with you and claiming to be busy (which she may actually be).

its very likely shes either not interested in you or shes just very busy and doesnt have time for you. either way, why continue to push it? theres tons of girls out there as attractive as her that actually have the time for you and are interested in talking to you. find them.

Guys, I hate this, it's like when I'm attracted to a Girl my mind goes out the window but when I'm not I'm filled with confidence and it works - it's crazy?

Anyways she did respond and talked more, and typed back more frequently but it wasn't before long. And when I talked I played the nice guy...

(we're were talking about food)
Me: Speaking of food, are you good at cooking?
Her: Hmmmmmm I don't know how to Cook that many things
Her: I make the best Spaghetti in the world
Her: And the best Taco's
Her: My family won't let me fry
Me: Awesome! I actually cook too, I had to learn for working out
Her: Cool Cool lol

She stopped replying and didn't get this message YET
Me: You should give my mom lessons, are u kidding - we pray after we eat lol

It's an old Joke lol.

Anyways, I didn't pick on her or be flirty - I'm coming across as dull and needy and it's aggravating me! I'm not like this with girls at all!!

(1) Am I too late, can this be turned around?
(2) How do I fix this???

Not interested.

How can you be that busy to not talk/text/email/SMS? I see women touching their phones every 10-20 minutes!

Biggest lie ever, women have so much free time.

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It is not AA that scares me or affects me anymore, its leading a conversation forward and keeping her interested. AA is nothing.

Have you met in person? Does she know what you look like? It is much more difficult to flirt via text/FB than in real life.

However, if you've met in real life did you talk about something? Do you know anything about her? Pick up on that and talk about what interests her.

Either that or make it clear you are flirting with her. If you make it clear you will either engage her or scare her off. So higher risk but higher reward. What is she a virgin? A real good girl? Almost no girl is nowadays, and now with this knowledge you move forward and make your move.

Not true. I still meet girls that are fairly hot and virgins...then again I'm gaming 17 year olds-18 year olds.

Guys I feel that I need to set dominance fast! I thought of this line, it's a mix of @Charblads

Me: Wow, it's taken us days to finish a convo lol
Her: Blah blah I'm busy, who knows
Me: Does messenger charge you per message you send lol
Her: Haha no
Me: They charge me I don't don't even know if I should talk to you, it's costing me money xD

SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
What do you guys think? Basically I'm trying to get her to go want me (There's a word mystery uses but I forgot it) it's when the Pua makes the girl comply to him and like she tries to show herself worthy and he sizes her up, I forgot what it's called!

no such thing as busy, we have to make it illegal for people to text in the car because they do it WHILE driving, If they can text while operating a motor vehicle, they arnt busy any other time
And pinkfloyd no, don't go with that last statement, try doing something fun for the both of you ( play a game, what number am I thinking of? Which toy story movie was better? Ect ect) you're almost skipping the build rapport phase and drilling her (giggity) with questions.

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@Charblad Dude your so right - makes sence. (1) But she still has this habbit of messaging me on and off - do I comment on it and joke or take it as it comes. (2) At this point I don't think I've demonstrated to her value or I may hv came across as uneedy. To fix this I could ask her, "So tell me 3 things about you that would make me want to get to know you better." That sounds safe. Then build some comfort/rapport discuss commanalities etc.

(3) Also how can I follow the "What number am I thinking of" bit, what comes after that?

To answer #1 if your having fun with her she'll chat more because she wants to, you don't leave in the middle of a game right? Or If She does leave she'll excuse herself not just go dead, I've never stopped texting a girl who I was having fun with
#2 if that's what you wanna try it sounds fine, I personally don't think that'll work well at this point and can be saved for use later to be more effective, but again your choice
#3 no clue lol just a example, I've used the toy story one (yea yea) and you can use any movie in place of toy story (this worked well since I went to her place to re-watch them both to see who's right but just follow it up with something to lead to a day 2, if I get on my computer I'll send you a routine you can use I like and it's very simple and increases sexual tension pretty easily.

Just read this in a e-mail its very motivating
Listen, what good is getting a woman to respond
to your e-mail if you can't get her phone number?

What good is getting her phone number if you don't
know how to carry on a conversation and get her to
agree to go out on a date with you?

What good is getting a date if you don't know how
to get to hold her hand, kiss her (or get her to desire
you)? - Dave M

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@Charblad Dude, awesome advice. I don't rep ppl much here (not using game lol), but I rep'ed you man - solid advice!

(1) Ya, I mean before she taught I could be like some pervert guy so she barely messaged me, but as I was more consistent I showed her she can be comfortable with me. But sometimes she does dissappear in convo, and just recently we had like 1 good talk.

(2) Actually I'm very opened minded Char, what would you suggest I do instead of that other routine. I don't want to bore her, or friendzone myself by being mr. nice guy.

(3) To entertain her I don't want to just ask like tons of questions, what's a good rule of thumb for convo? Actually I remember Neil Strauss/Style having a routine that goes "Pick a number from 1 - 1000. She picks a number. Pua: ok, What was your number? Her: 468 Me: Oh snap, that was my guess! lol. 468 is like the most common number chosen from 1-1000." Thoughts?

Recently I told her a joke, so to demonstrate a lil dominance should I say, "Ok, it's your turn, tell me a joke." I find this works good cause it shows ur not a corny guy and she still has to meet up to ur standards.