From what I am getting it seems that the overall value of PUA is not necessarily in the techniques, but rather in the confidence it instills. Is that about right?

Lines, openers, routines.... are a starting point.

Over time, you start to develop your own 'scripts'. Further still, you'll start identifying concepts/nuances and you'll be able to analyze your sets as well...but it depends on what you want to get out of it; and as a result, confidence is affected


The truth is that in the end - everything you learn manifests itself in the man you become. If you want to lose weight - you lose weight. If you want to learn how to fight - you learn a martial art. If you want to learn how to attract women - you LEARN that as well. It's natural to some, it's developed for others. I'm sure there are talents you have that are simply natural... That's been my ability with communication.... You learn what does and doesn't work - then.... you look at yourself and you're intrinsically more self-confident.


They're reciprocal in my eyes. One hand scratches the other... 'PUA skills' will improve your confidence as much as your confidence will improve your PUA skills. Both of which are a good thing.


RR

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I agree almost completely. I just think people sharing their overall experience is helpful to themselves as a tool of reflection and others as a tale to learn from. That is all this topic is about.

OP - since you seem to be looking for stats, David D. said on an interview once that about 30% of women are receptive to being hit on. Lesbians, girls with BFs, man-haters, etc, all decrease our chances. With that said, learning how to use eye contact and how to read eye contact will help you greatly. You can gauge interest without any conversation whatsoever. I always succeed at much higher rates with girls I have strong eye contact with. The longer it's held, the more likely I am to make progress with them. And never break the eye contact first, only AFCs break first.

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OP - since you seem to be looking for stats, David D. said on an interview once that about 30% of women are receptive to being hit on. Lesbians, girls with BFs, man-haters, etc, all decrease our chances. With that said, learning how to use eye contact and how to read eye contact will help you greatly. You can gauge interest without any conversation whatsoever. I always succeed at much higher rates with girls I have strong eye contact with. The longer it's held, the more likely I am to make progress with them. And never break the eye contact first, only AFCs break first.

This game "PUA" as we call it is really just a way to change and improve our lifestyle. I stumbled onto this forum a couple of years ago, and thought wow this is pretty neat stuff, I started reading some material by Mystery, Strauss, and a few others and found it a bit comical. Then I noticed that I was using some of their ideas "Negs, Push/Pull, etc...And quickly realized that it was having a certain effect on these girls. Now here I am a man in my 40's who can talk to ANYONE without any fear...PU has changed my life, and I do not mean only with women, I am more confident and capable because a book, a website, and a wingman (FatCat) shoved me into places I feared until I realized that "Fear is nothing more than a Lie your brain sells you".


Peace...

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