so i was bore and i ask my friend to go drinking she start to bring a bunch of chick like 5 of them all of them are like about a 3 or a 4. which mean they are pretty bad looking but i dont care cause i just wanted to have a beer to relax. Does this DHV? or does it lower my value if a HB see this?

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Its hard to say. Its more of how you play it. While being seen with attractive women has its advantages, being seen with average looking women can to. Even if the group of women are only 3's and 4's, if other women see them talking to you and they are laughing and having a good time then this can help you as well. By doing this you make yourself seem fun and interesting. Which gives you value. Also being seen with a group women help to lower the guard of the HB you want to talk to. So in the end its what you make of it. if you have an option though I would still say go with the group of 7's or 8's over the 3's and 4's.

if a HB see you this will DLV you in the long run. Yes it shows that you are comfortable with women and you have no problem with women but if they are ugly they dont DHV. Its also shows that you might not have set standards. Females will think if you hit on them you might perceived them as same thing like the girls you are hanging out with. Its just like hanging out with friends that have no game or your standard AFC. Guilty by association.

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I am sorry, but i think this is serious bullshit.

If an HB sees you with a bunch of ugly girls, she might think: poor lad. No more, no less. By the time she reaches the bar, that one guys surrounded by freaking ugly bihatches is no longer in her mind. There is no long run here. At that moment, you are not that important that she will break her mind on how on earth it is possible that YOU, of all people, YOU are sitting with such ugly girls.

If you would stand up and approach her, she might recall you as the one sitting with the ugly girls. But it doesnt make any difference. She might say stuff like: "arent you supposed to be with your friends over there?". She is never going to think " i dont want to talk with this guy because he has uglyl girlfriends. Unless she is 17 y/o or she has this superstar self image. If she has spotted you with ugly girls or not, she can give you crap anyway if she wants to.

What really matters is how you deal with her, how you connect with her. If you start with: "what is a pretty girl like you doing in a hick town like this", then she might think: "ok, hence the ugly girls". But approach good and she will never make a deal out of the ugly ones.

It is a slightly different story if your social circle is know or notorious for being AFC, drunks, nerds or just plain unpleasant to be with. If she knows that and she sees you with htem, that might be a different story. But this is not the context i think.

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on the contrary. the simple question was. IF a HB see me with ugly girls will this DLV me" and i stand corrected in the long run part and yes it might not effect you in the long run but for that brieft moment It will DHV you. the outcome of it is what you do afterwords as LD stated. Personally i wouldnt be caught dead with ugly friend (shallow? yes)

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i would avoid extreemes.

if you're hanging out with a bunch of friends that are super models, it may make your target insecure and you seem like you're just looking for an easy lay. it might make her question why you're not dating any of the women that are hotter than her (she might look better to you, but perception make reality, right?)

conversely, if you're around really ugly girls, it might make good looking women question the reasons why you're around them (i.e. low value, can't get better, desperate, etc.)

your best bet is average looking women. then you pulled off the effect of pre selection along the widest range of women. and as long as they don't stand out too much with either their ugliness of hotness, the effect will be overall positive.

mainly its on how you look also. if you are perceived as attractive to the HB she will think either you are a nice guy and noT shallow ,but if you are not it can be look at like you are desperate.

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true also.

NSR, Zepter - good points.

I'd also add that any eye contact you have with a HB that sees you in-set with an ugly chick will also dictate her frame. Do you break set and caveman? Do you return eye-contact and start formulating a plan? Do you think about it and never act on it? Do you notice it at all?

All provide different scenarios... but I've always been the one to drop the FTC immediately just to allow me to bounce if I want. Even if I don't know the HB that walked in - that doesn't matter. I'll tell the ugly chick "Hey, I'd love to continue this; my friend just got here..." and I bounce.

If the ugly chick watches me - she sees me immediately approach a hot chick. From there, she will think this hot chick is my friend - which shuts her out, OR - I just ditched her FOR that hot chick - which shuts her out. But, if I can carry conversation with the HB - I don't look like a dick in the process (Ugly chick may have hot friends...).

I love 'game'... So many nuances!

RR

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this is an interesting topic. ditch my friend cause they are ugly. kind of a moral issue for me to think about. yes my fat friend do know hot chick also. i guess i should have them as friend but not bring them around when i am hitting on a HB.

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As long as you're being social with the girls, having fun and not making out with them its pretty much a DHV.. Women aren't assuming a girl is you're girlfriend or fuck buddy just because you are next to them.. That is the way that Men think.. Not women

And honestly, who ever invented the term DHV didn't know much of shit about women because, you aren't suppose to give two shits what anyone will think you're value is

If i am a billionaire, would I care if people don't believe i am one? Nope, because at the end of the day my account still holds ten digits.. Got it?

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but let say if a girl is judge people and look down on people just because they are not good looking she would prolly have a fuck up personality and for sure it DLV to her, but if she got a great personality and is not swallow would it DHV? so it also depend on what kinda of girl she is?

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it really depends on you and what you are going to make of it. The girl might have a fucked up personality or she may not. you are not gonna find out unless you engage her and on the point of ditching your friend. If you are going to hit on the HB you are going to sooner or later. Thats for you to decided. Just tell your friend " hey i'm going to talk to that girl" Remember you are just chilling with them. Your friend has her other friends to keep her company.

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@dice

you are making an unnecessarily big deal out of this. just open, and start attracting the girl. in general terms, avoid the extremes when out sarging.

if you're just chilling with your friends, you should not be caring about how they look to others.