I am new to the forums and somewhat new to PUA material and am having a hard time getting a realistic and truthful idea of how well this stuff works. Most of the testimonies I've read come from people with vested interest in PUA. So I would like to ask you, the members of this forum , to share your story and success rates. I think it would be useful for anyone joining this forum to have a reference of the actual effects of PUA.

success is subjectively based on a persons goals, caring about how many girls you sleep with and reaching some sort of number = needy and is only motivated by an egotistical idea of some sort of successful conquest can gain you the approval and acceptance of others, with the mindframe that having that acceptance and approval will complete you and make you happy

having this mindset is setting anyone up for failure, go out over and over with this mindset you will not see the results you want fast enough, and then you will start to assosiate negative feelings towards the process and grow to hate pickup (who knows you might even find yourself trolling the puahate board lol)

or adversely you could apply yourself well and see great results but still be motivated through your ego, but it will never be enough, you will never be satisfied, and reaching your goals will only leave you temporarily satisfied leaving you more and more empty every time until you become depressed

if you can't have fun and let go of an outcome then you will never be able to adopt cold approach pickup to your life successfully, you will lose motivation, if you can reach your goals while having fun without the need to validate your ego then you will do great, you can consistantly practise and improve while assosiateing fun to the whole process, this is what matters, enjoying the process not the outcome, other people's success as defined by you will have no adverse effect on your own success, and those people explaining to you what they do will not help you unless you can congruently be who they are, obviously you can adopt their mind sets and attempt to mimic their style, but really you have to find your own way and develop your own goals and parameters around success, confidence is built through experience doing something and gaining reference points to access until you feel sure of yourself while doing something

think of it like training in a gym, you can go talk to the biggest guy in the gym and ask him how he got so successful, he can explain in detail everything he eats, what his macros are, how much and when he lifts and how, but after all the explaining in the world about his lifting techniques and methods, you are not him and you will not see the same results as him right away because you are not the same people, if you start lifting as he does the next day, you will not instantly be as big as him and have the same ''success''

it is not the pickup material that is all that important, what is important is developing yourself and obtaining confidence (equivilent of getting jacked/ripped/and tanned via pua) behind what you are doing, pickup techniques and methods just lay down a groudwork for you to find motivation to go out and apply yourself, there is nothing special in them that make you some sort of ladies man, it takes time, effort, and practise, as well as trying new things and giving new methods and ideas a test run

no confidence behind the methods = fail

confidence behind what you want to do without a need to validate your own ego = don't really need method

method = ground work set down, that shows you practical steps in order to bed a woman (usually just common sense), if you follow the ground work or not and complete the damn program is up to you and how confident you are in your ability to complete the program, not nessicarily the program it's self

not to say that pickup is bullshit, there is certainly alot of validity to alot of the advice given in the community, there is alot of pseudo pyschology involved in alot of different pickup theory that was developed from very real concepts, the point is, adapting yourself to a couple lines or something won't change who you are, but going out and attempting something new for yourself can be the initial push for you to develop a better understanding and confidence around what you are doing

I understand that you are trying to put the emphasis on confidence and a detachment from results, but I think you misinterpreted the goal of this thread and my personal state. If I created this topic out of an egotistical need to simply reach a number of women I have fucked (or emulate those that have reached a certain number) then your advice would have been very appropriate. However, that is not what I am trying to achieve both in general and through making this thread

PUA asserts itself as a means to being able to succeed more often with women. The vast majority of these forums are dedicated to the that. There must be real results which come from the techniques (even if they all boil down to confidence) offered. Otherwise, the entire idea of PUA is fundamentally fraudulent. I post this topic from the perspective of skepticism. If PUA does not actually improve chances of succeeding with women (and I asked people to share their stories in part so that they could define that success) then this is not the place for me. There have been many, many successful fraudulent movements throughout human history. I don't intend to be suckered into one.

Learning and mastering new skills take time and lots of repetition. To measure your progress and gain the necessary confidence, you'll have to breakdown the pick up process into small parts and measure your success rate based on these small parts.

You can't be a mixed martial arts newbie and expect to beat George Saint Pierre black and blue after just one month of training and practice. Measuring success rates in pick up is the same way. You shouldn't expect f-closes without putting in enough time and effort to learn these new skill sets.

Since I rate myself in the PUA intermediate level, I can say with conviction here that my success rate with number closes has increased by leaps and bounds when I learned about the eye fuck routine in this forum courtesy of Warped Mindless, Chief and Slywalker. I only got blown off twice since I've been using this technique for several weeks-- now counting into months. For a full description of the eye fuck routine and its scientific basis, here: 2-vt136689.html?postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15

Of course, I've already breached the necessary skill sets of baiting for the girl's kino, approaching and opening, reading body language and so forth which make a high success rate for n-closes possible.

It's all about baby steps. You can't unlearn sexually unattractive traits in a short time that you've learned your entire lifetime. It will take time, effort and a lot of will and determination to learn new skills that are sexually attractive to women.

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Thanks for the advice and link. You are absolutely right; It will take time and effort on my part.

Doesn't matter, as long as you enjoy.

From my perspective PUA is about pushing your comfort zones specifically in the Social area of your life.

My perspective is that you are able to attract women and have sexual experiences with them. I respect that that is not your source of enjoyment or your goal for PUA, but they are mine.

I would still like to hear some success stories.

you got the first post, it said it all, if you are not interested in pickup, then don't do it, it's your life, and judging by your post you have already made up your mind, if you hadn't you would realize the best way to find out if this stuff works, isn't to ask as a skeptic with no reference points to base your skepticism's on, it's to go out and test it out for yourself, as you will get varying accounts of experience and you will only focus on the accounts that fit your current belief system

there is really no reason to even make this post if all you wanted to see was if people improve or not using pickup, you could have just visited the field reports section and checked if anyone has improved, obviously there have been many successes/failures, yes alot of outer techniques alter results, but it is not the techniques that matter, it is the way they are applied in combination with a persons confidence (as well as everything else that makes the guy attractive), material won't develop confidence, it comes from within you from experience and practice, there for results and ''success'' are dependent from person to person, based on how they apply themselves, if you so vigorously attach yourself to the results and you can not release from them in order to truly give this a shot with an open mind, you are setting yourself up for disappointment before you even begin

if it was as easy as say a couple words in this order and get laid, every guy in the world would be saying those words when ever he felt like getting laid, there is no magic pill if that is what you were looking for, but if you work on improving yourself, give it time and effort and discipline, you will see growth, and as long as you can associate positive feelings towards improving yourself, it will require less discipline to stay motivated, and you certainly will improve if the effort is there, how much though and how soon is really dependent on you

Like I said I am new to the site and don't know where things are. Also, field reports seem to be about the success or failings of a single event where as I am looking for the overall global changes people who have undertaken this have experienced.

I don't know where you get this idea that I am looking for a magic pill or a few words to that would allow to fuck. This idea that I already made up my mind has nothing to do with anything I said. I am merely asking for the fruits or lack of fruits that have come forth from the labor of those who are involved in this. I don't know why you seem to want to derail my pursuit of objective, global reports of success or failure.

Furthermore, your idea about me not being skeptical because I do not have specific questions is very flawed. There are many people who have charged an arm and a leg tutoring people on this subject and the very existence of this site depends on people believing that PUA works. I have no profit or interest in PUA. I am asking only the most basic question; Does it work? It would be no different from asking a doctor if a certain medicine works. If there are no demonstrable results then PUA is not a success in achieving results with women. It may make the men feel better and give the illusion of success, but it is not changing anything.

If I had made up my mind that it didn't work like you claimed I would not have even joined the site let alone post this. I don't see anything wrong with what I am asking so I must ask why are you, as a moderator of this site, indirectly telling me this is a question I shouldn't ask?

In the field reports section look for field reports that include journal in the title of the thread or have a long list of pages, that would most likely be more what you are looking for.
If you are not motivated by your ego, then success rate would be irrelivent, so this leaves no other reason to ask in my mind besides looking for a quick fix to a problem to find some motivation, or trolling

lol what? when exactly were you de-railed? was it the whole, go develop confidence primairly before you attempt to put your trust into pseudo psychology? or was it the whole you can read peoples field reports to get real life examples of progress?

if you start off on the wrong foot, pickup can suck balls, if you start off on the right foot, you can save yourself alot of time, years possibly and actually enjoy the process rather then hate it
cool man, well this website does not charge an arm and a leg, and you got some pretty detailed honest answers to your basic question
if that is the case, I am very happy to have you here, since your mind is open, and you are not driven by ego or looking for a quick fix, you will probably be going out now to try to improve your current sex life, thats a great place to start (no need for results, but an open positive mind, with improvement as the goal, rather then getting girls because you read a book)

as for your question, a troll from a very specific website would ask a question very similar to the one you started with, and there would be a very specific reason for why he would be here asking that question (trolling), what do you suppose mods have to do when they are suspicious of trolls? it's extremely easy to ask someone for personal information and then label there hard work and judge them

in short . It works. if used correctly

you cant use a weedwacker to paint a house can you? same concept.

Sometimes it will work and sometimes it will not. There is no set rules on every girl. Just the general basic of how things work or should work And for stories like the other posters mentioned are on the lay reports and field reports. you cant put a Actual effect of PUA cause its variable. As you know Actual and Variable cant be hand in hand if you want to get all technical. you have to put in all the Possible variable of a situation into account for the outcome. Can you give me the Actual place a rain drop will fall on the ground? probably not. same with PUA results. But you know that the rain drop will fall somewhere.

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Dude just listen to what pumpington Is telling you. Pickup has helped my confidence immensely but it's not about the lines or routines or any of that bullshist that guys are going to try and sell you. An example which you seem so desperate for: a couple weeks ago I was in a club and picked a rose up off a table, i gave it to a girl who was sitting alone and told her she was the prettiest girl i had seen all night. Now if you read almost any pick up guru's method they would tell you that is afc and supplicating, dlv blah blah blah. Well i kissed closed her about two minutes later. Then her boyfriend returned from the bathroom. But this isnt a regular thing for me because I'm usually nervous as shit thinking "does pickup work? Which opener should I use" that night I just thought fuck it. I like chivalry. So story being story just be yourself, that simple. Unless yourself is an OCD analyst. Can't stand those guys.

Wether the guys on this forum have been successful or not doesn't matter because half the guys on this forum lie. You can either believe and maybe get some results or go back to deleting redtube from your search history after a lonely Friday night. Either way your not going to get laid tommorow, but he'll you may as well try right?

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The rose?

Fucking strong.

Mad respect.



Pumpington, Safety - great posts men. Success is subjective. What I consider success would be 'shallow' to most. I've fucked 39 women this year alone. I've stayed away from relationships, jettisoned clingers, and I'm adding more to my stable now. I don't like women to spend the night, I enjoy being alone. I throw out sabotage grenades to end it fast and furious - and I come out like the hurt victim (saves drama). But - I'm comfortable with that. I'm direct, I don't mince words. I close 70% via daygame cold approach usually with a tool, and usually in a grocery store. I've adapted my life to interact with women constantly. I'm gaming my barber and think I can fuck her soon. Then I may find a new barber... I go to the phone store when I have a problem rather than call the help line just to interract with the women there. Rejection isn't even remembered unless she's clever; then I'll high five her for originality. I truly don't give a fuck. So is that successful? To me - fuck yes. To someone else - probably makes me look shallow... Then I ask myself: DILLIGAF. The usual answer is 'No.'

RR

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RR, You ain't ever goin' anywhere near my sisters, cousins, girlfriends, nieces in any way EVER. You just too bad!

An' that's for damn sure boy!

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