^ Jurupa, 100% correct! But as always you fail to give more info. What channel, times etc.. thanks! Jurupa you are always on point, to bad you do not post often...

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Sly you are taking the fit out of context, women DO LIKE FIT, TONE GUYS, muscular dudes(not the body builder type though) do you like bodybuilder women? no right, same for women most of them do not like the hughe body builder type, but THE DO LIKE FIT/TONE GUYS, what i said was that SOME women i have spoken too have told me that they do not like guys with 6 packs it looks try hard, with that being said other ones DO LIKE guys with 6 packs... Some like chubby dudes, what i heard is that they feel protected/teddy bear or something alone those lines... The whole point of my reasoning of this post, and is in my book is that there are many ways to become ATTRACTIVE, if you do not have the so call 6 pack, but as i say and stole from td, " i rather die than miss a day at the gym"..

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I thought tyler no longer cares about working out....

I have actually talked to some girls about this. I showed them three bodytypes from bodybuilding. One being skinny lean like some actors and models, the other being medium which is athletic, similar to some ufc fighters and boxers, then there was big which was a bodybuilder. Not crazy huge mind you, but a good big size. They all didn't like the big ones. They even said the medium guy is huge, I was like wtf!?! He's a decent size but no huge.

They prefered the regular slim body instead. I got into a long discussion cause it didnt make sense to me. I know it's different for all women, but I just find it weird. It's true that it's mostly guys that appreciate muscles, probably because we work towards the same goal and know how hard it is. I have met girls who like big guys as well. I think due to the jersey shor influence lol

I mean when i saw this list i wanted to throw up:

http://www.glamourmagazine.co.uk/celebr ... e-number=1

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I expect from you to know the difference between "Sexy" and "Hot"

lol My bad. Its on FOX. Which for me is channel 11. I have no idea if FOX is on a different channel for others. As far as posting more if I did that I be rehashing the same info over and over again.

How do lists like this get assembled. Regardless of how we try to brainwash ourselves, women like good looking guys.

They are only showing faces of these guys, and somehow they are sexy?

A womans can be sexy in the face I guess too, but really it's her tits and ass, and here EYES, that make her sexy.and her voice and the way she moves, etc

Middle life as i told you before as you can see looks is relative, a lot of the guys in the list are ugly as fuck, but they are attractive, as i told you focus on becoming attractive... Here is from my book(is unedited so forget the grammar and spelling):


Things that makes a dude attractive:
Dance moves: Being able to dance
Confidence: Being sure of yourself, knowing what you want, and being decisive. If you have self doubt and hesitation women will pick up on that and will lose attraction. Women feel what you feel inside.
Witt: Women like guys that are smart and know about different subjects, not to be confused with a nerdy dude.
Humor: Women like a guy that can make her laugh, laughter changes women emotions, to be funny you have to be smart. Disclaimer: Do not be a 24 hour clown.
Leadership: Women want to be lead, and they like a man that can lead other man.
Power: Women are naturally drawn to security (financial, physical protection etc…)
Ambition: If you do not have money but you have goal and ambition, it is the equivalent in women mind to a dude that has the money. I been able to substitute not having money, with my drive, goal and ambition.
Manly man: Women want a man, that is not a PUSSY, a man that has self-respect and when they test them and throw tantrums and act up, will be none reactive, calm and collective.
Hygiene: A clean guy that smells nice.
Takes care of himself: Women like a man that takes care of his body mind and spirit.
Muscles: A dude that works out, eat right. Muscles are the easiest way to become attractive fast.
Stylish: Women like a guy that can dress up and is stylish.
Unpredictable and fun: Women like men that are unpredictable(even if it frustrates them) and that when they are around the dude, is always a good time.
Sexual competence: An unapologetic sexual dude, that will leave her wanting him again and again after sex.
Blunt: women want an honest dude that will tell it like it is, instead of sugar coding stuff.
Self-amusement: Women like a dude that has fun with himself and those crazy shit for his own entertainment and does not give a fuck what everybody else things including her. He is awesome and brings her and her emotions to his awesomeness.
Abundance Mentality: You have or you act like you are a man that has choices when it comes to women vs a man that is desperate (scarcity). Women hate and lose attraction for guys that are needy or jealous.
Congruency: Your actions, words and personality all match up.

Game: knowing what to do and how to act with woman and people in different situations

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the 'bad reasons' the doctor listed kind of scared me

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A bit of insight:
Why does the person who wrote the letter act like he does and is so outraged by this? Some of us PUAs would say he is an undeserving typical AMOG with no game and no reasoning. Others may say he himself is just a lucky ***** who got lucky in the gene pool to have such a good body. False. Most muscular and/or toned guys WORK for what they have. So when the question is : Why do these knuckleheads act like they deserve this attention and act like the fatboys dont deserve this attention? It's because many of these muscular dudes have WORKED HARD for their appearance. Some may have been just as fat at one point, some may have started out average like the rest of us, some may have been muscular their whole life. But the point is the great majority of these guys worked hard to maintain what they had while the 'doughboys' did not bother. Believe me, the amount of work it requires to maintain muscular status is ridiculous. You cant imagine it until you actually try it consistently for like a few years. I went to the gym for 2-4 hours 2-3 times a week on and off for about a couple years. I have barely toned up and gotten 'slightly bulkier'. A lot of which I lost from fast food. So Im still considered skinny. Thats how hard it is.

Theres the flip side. Im actually developing a little bit of a big stomach for the first time ever since Ive always been skinny. Looks like my metabolism is slowwing with so much fast food. So now I can look at it from the perspective of the fat (and/or nerdy unattractive guys). I have always been a geek, nerd, etc. so I can relate. They are ALSO MAD (so it's like both sides are mad) because they think this muscular dunce is useless and was born with muscles and gets all the girls he wants while failing school and being a retard and dont 'deserve them for their lack of personality, substance, anything inside' (Ive proven above how this is wrong. Most muscular popular guys when you meet them are not rude, arrogant, dunces once you get to meet them. They are smarter than you think and kind. Though I have met quite a few that were a-holes to me and bullied me) Muscular guys are saying a similar thing about these fat boys and nerds. They have done NO WORK! and yet their fat as* gets this hot girl! Unworthy!
False. The majority of fat guys and nerds do NOT get girls. Not only because of their unattractive outsides but because of their unattractive inside personality. The ones who do have also done the same thing .... WORK! They did a sort of work the muscular guys never realized to be work as so is why they are so outraged by this. But the truth is this: It takes a lot of work, effort, trial & error and failure to develop amazing inner game and personality. Similar to working out at the gym (arguably slightly easier and quicker) Therefore, they worked to get to the personality they are at and thats why the girl likes them. Think: the amount of work required to develop a personality to outshine an ugly outer appearance must be INSANE. But believe me, by far, most fat guys and nerds are too destroyed by society to even consider developing a personality like this and become 'average or below average' inside and out and do NOT get the hot girls (so muscular guys calm down)
Also you should note that muscles will help but will not guarantee you anything if your inside personality is trash.

So after all this, what is the optimal guy? One whos done above above average in WORK on both your insides and outsides. Sure, there are other small additional criteria like success in life, money, independence but these are material and you will realize they are superfluous and wont really matter for quality women.

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It's simple girls don't care how hard you worked at something the only one who cares is you.
You can spend $10K on pua materials spend 3-4 yrs mastering your game and that one girl will still reject you she's not going say "Oh you spent so much time and money and put in so much hard work i should just give you some ass" she's just going to reject you and go for fat boy or skinny guy or whoever.

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And you don't think girls aren't attracted to guy's asses and "tits" ie chests?

Now hold up here one minute son. Backup way the hell up, I AM attractive.

Now where's the fuckin book?

I hate these BS conversations, yeah you need to not be revoltingly ugly to get chicks but if you want a great example of someone who does pretty good with women but isn't a healthy specimen look at Sean Stephenson. That dude in person is huge even though you look down at him(often referred to as the 3 foot giant).

Midlife- LOL- You are so attractive and good with women that you came out on a forum to get better with women (you also have yet to offer anything good that I've seen). Getting laid has got shit to do with looks or every hot guy would be swimming in pussy, this isn't true so we know aesthetics are a limited way men can get laid. Physical attraction offers a lot of initial opportunities that can be ruined by a simple conversation.

Straight up- Looks don't get you laid, they help but certainly don't get you laid. There are plenty of examples of men who aren't that good looking pulling tons more tail than "hot guys." Guys who just know how to escalate, who just do it.

Women choose men based off how much they can give to their possible offspring.

Men choose women off the fact that they can hold and bring in healthy new offspring.

We are simply two different beings created for two different purposes.

It's pretty simple, we choose to "reproduce" for two different purposes based off of our purposes in the reproduction process. Get over it, women initially show interest in physically attractive men based off the possible healthy genetics he can give her possible offspring but the fact that the offspring wouldn't survive after or be cared for to survive after makes the possible mate useless. A woman will choose an ugly guy over a attractive guy because in reality the value of the "uglier" guy maybe far higher that the physically attractive (hot guy).

Why is this even an argument? You do "get lucky" by being good looking, however to consistently get laid you aren't just going to be attractive. One thing you HAVE TO HAVE to consistently get laid is sexual escalation and tension building skills.

A man's value is far more than his aesthetics (we are lucky), otherwise Bill Gates would have never got married, Sean Stephenson wouldn't have a successful dating life, should I have to find you all these unorthodox success stories or will you guys just realize getting laid and being attractive to women isn't all about your physical aesthetics.

Can we please put this silly conversation to rest? Honestly, being good looking does nothing but get you lucky occasionally.

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