u got it.this guys is compleatly right.u never just get a little better u take leaps.one day ure reading it and ure the same.the next day u go out and field test it and u learn more and more.ohh btw this will be my 50th post =]

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~remember were not just picking up girls.were building a better life.~mystery.

One thing I found is that a lot of the pua material is for people that have NO social skills at all! Since this is; a lot of the material doesn't apply to people that are more socially extraverted. I believe that all the minor things that pua material talks about is VERY unnecessary, and they make assumptions about women that don't apply too all of them. They believe there are set rules that govern how women act, feel, respond, etc. I don't believe this is true. Now, there are psychological FACTORS that may lead you to where you can grasp a generalized concept of a woman's psych, but all in all every girl is different.

I have been out of pua for about a year, and I am starting to get back into it. NOt for the women, because I am fine with my situation. I am getting back into it because of the psychological concepts of brings forth. There is a over laying concept of always be aware. Strengthen one's awareness. Strengthen the mind. Strengthen your body. Strengthen your values. This is something that I like about the community, but when I read articles now about pua. I feel like they are missing the big picture, and they are stuck in the rabbit whole.

It's time to see the light

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Don't let routines, and fake feelings be a shell surrounding your true self. It will only break, and you will be left at step 1

Cool dude i will mention based on 1000s of interaction what material is kind of normal and very similar to naturals, i would focus on this:

1.- double your dating david d( careful with some of the lines, but the psycology of women behavior is good)
2.- Minimal game aaorn sleazy
3.-60 y o c
4.- The attraction code (vin dicarlo)

The new rsd 2011 forward free tours on youtube( careful with td mental masturbation from time to time he can not help himself)..

Calibration: Make sure your words and action are in line with your personality...

There is tons of good stuff out there, but none of that really matters, you need to be interacting with women constantly and create your reference points of experience.

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Yes it can make you worse,

I have experienced this myself. I stopped reading material for a while and focussed on other things. When i decided to rejoin the comunity i wrote this;
-img-src-http-cdn2pick-up-artist-forumc ... tml#662732 that makes clear where i miss used pu material, and how to learn pickup.

Question

When you had succes in the past how did you feel?
How do you feel while practacing PU?

If those two are differen you got your problem budy! Focus on the feelings and mindset you have instead of remembering stupid lines and fases.

You tell me you got worse,
So in other words you had succes in the past. Your experiences might be similar to mine. What happened to me after over studying pickup is that i stopped trusting in myself and started to trust in the material.
I thought all my answeres were to be found online and that all i had to do is read more. This stops you from being creative and intuitive (most important in pu). And even when you have minor succes when using canned material it doesn't really shape en define YOU as a person, but it proves your brain that you need more material.

What to do
Stop this proces right now buddy and look at pickup meterial as funny stuff that you can add to what you are already doing (right). You do not need to make core change or reprogram yourself like some dudes tell you. No dude you are good enough to pickup a girl, you've shown that in the past. And when you read material or study a bit of pu you should laugh and tell yourself; "i'm such a genius, because my brain already made me do this once"

Anyways i'm kinda blurry today. read this -img-src-http-cdn2pick-up-artist-forumc ... tml#662732 it explains my point much better

i think what you should realize is this;

PU is still about YOU and what you do, not about pu material and reproducing material.

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HI

how bout alienating yourself from the rest of society, your friends and family, and replacing them with people who think like you.

Perhaps it can make you worse but it actually seems to make getting girls harder for some seeing as it seems like there's a set of "rules" as to how girls are and how you "have to be" to get them.....then again what ever happened to being a decent confident person to get a girl?

It does not that you 2-4 years to get good at it. Its just if you don't know what you are doing or don't know what to look for in people or don't have confidence or are immature you can struggle.... If you learned from someone it wouldnt be hard at all. Maybe 8 - 10 weeks.

whoa. thanks for the reality check.

A few of the list I have been doing and it is bloody stupid.

I got into PUA to get over my last GF. and now I think the cloud is finally lifting and I can see what it is that I have been doing. good and bad.

all in all the effects of this has been great and the good definitly outweighs the bad. but that is not a reason to hang on to the bad.

I also feel like I am back at step one. but with a whole new set of skills and coping mechanisms. good times ahead.

It is true for me. Mystery Method really make me worse in picking up women though I can make a group women laugh. HOWEVER, this laughing leads to nothing. It actually kills my opportunity to pick up them!!!

1. MM made me can't look at women's eyes because it shows indicator of interest!

2. MM made me talk more by using the material!!! Even make me interrupting women's speak!

3. MM made me a person that could not have the courage to see women's eyes, worried too much about what I should say, could not be patient and let women talk, left women when running out of materials to keep the feeling "make women laugh".

SO by doing this, I had blew two beautiful girls who were attracted to me and who I also liked!!!!

I read chief's recommendation about 60 years of Challenge. THIS IS THE REAL SECRET WE MAY KNOW AND USE BEFORE WE USE MM AND SIMILAR METHODS!!!


60's theory is really the truth!!! He also has a blog which is totally fantastic!!! This is the method I used to pick up women before learning MM!!


Now I am a person who dare to looking into everyone's eyes!!! I am so confident and have no fear and worry when looking people's eyes!!! This is the real high value and alpha man!! Some women would hold eye contact for so long and I know it is!!! Some would turn away eye contacts and turn back!! I know it is on!! It is simple and efficient!!!

I've been out for months with guys who learned MM stuff like me. They all sucked!!! No improvements for months!!!

I was the one who commit to the stuff and can make women laugh, but nothing happened afterwards.

Some people just said forgetting the materials, but their moves were very careful not to show the so called indicator of interest or what they said were still have the trace of materials and their lines were much worse than the materials.

We thought kiss was a big move! Many people could not even escalate!!! Some could get dates but could not make a kiss after several dates!!!!!

We were trapped by the MM, unfortunately.


After I learned the 60 theory and I watched these pick up artists videos again, I realized the key reason that they could pick up quickly is they could hold eye contacts and escalate quickly regardless the so called IOI.

I also watched one in-field videos of Mind of Mystery which they showed a lot of their Neg, IOI, DHV stuff. One case is Madator used his canned stuff and contributed most of the conversation. Then two chicks just immediately turned their attention away after Myster came in and the chicks never gave Madator attention again.

MM is just about being social and make people laugh. MM kills the attraction and seduction that already exists.




What is the traditional way which is also our ways before learning MM to pick up women?
1. See girls eyes first to feel we are attracted to them.
2. Introduce ourselves.
3. Talk a bit and make a date

That's it. If they liked us, they would go. Then We offer holding hands, kissing, and sex (sometimes they would offer these if they liked us). If they agree, then we picked them up, or, to say precisely, we ended up being together because we liked each other. That's it.

Just be a confident man who can hold eye contacts to enjoy the attraction and seduction feeling, who can listen to women with a poker face and looking at her to keep and make attraction and seduction and who can be confident enough not to talk when no one is saying anything. Just look at her eyes and make the communication in a nonverbal way! This is the powerful so called "girl coding each other". This is the real alpha man. This is the king who give them silence and make them qualify themselves.

MM actually make us to be a subordinate man to act a lot to win the heart of king. This is not the alpha man.

This 60's blog is the best pua stuff.

Just google Natural Attraction Blog.

So amazing!

We liked some women and some women liked us as well.

Just show and offer ourselves (holding eye contact, introduction, holding and caressing hands, listen what they say with a poker face, etc.) to girls and to meet the girls who also like us.

There is really no need to say these canned stuff.

stop thinking

direct vs indirect
needy vs non-needy

and other stuff.

They are not important and they just jammed our brains!