Plus this would apply as peacocking. I seriously doubt that a lot of men would be wearing a red shirt on a random night (unless it's a red party afcourse).
Got to field test this. Can deodorant be used in this situation, looking from scientific view or would cover the hormones?

I'd rather rely on myself and my direct game, put on some Calvin Klein or Polo cologne, smell good as fuck, shower after a nice workout, get that fresh feeling...I'd rather do that than feel sweaty and nasty and rely on hormones and subconscious interactions to take place. I mean doesn't that make more sense, or is that just me?

you are very unclear about what you want, she has no idea of your intentions and all you will see is shit tests and confusing behavior until you make something happen

ok lets trade shoes with this chick, at this point it has been two years, obviously for you to chase this chick now shows a few possible things coming from her point of view

-you possibly don't find her attractive

-you possibly are just shy and can't express your feelings


-you are possibly just really really bad at reading social cues

-you are possibly gay

these are some of the possible categories she could assume you fall into, now you are sitting here saying to yourself, a girl randomly calls me up at 2:30 am to send me a shit test, WHAT IN THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT?

I know... this is some random textage, either way, you have to consider the context of your relationship between you and this girl up until this point, you are obviously not expressing your intentions at all, and from the sounds of it any and all forms of escalation have been led by this chick, she is totally dictating the pace and setting the frame, by this point there is most likely an extreme amount of comfort between the two of you, and she has formed an opinion now of what your personality is like, and what is congruent for you, and unfortunately, congruently non sexual, now this doesn't mean you have no chance, it just makes going from no sex land, into sex land somewhat of a more tricky transition, it just most likely will not seem ''normal'' to this chick, but if she is attracted to you it won't matter as long as your intentions seem fully congruent it will give you a good shot at flipping this frame

what is it you want from this chick? make up your mind and make it known what your into and be perfectly honest, you don't need anything from her and nothing should be expected, start expressing yourself

at this point it is congruence that is missing, there is no congruence behind any intention towards this girl, nothing shows this is how you feel, nothing shows a genuine alignment with you being into this, it does not show that this is what you want, and you certainly are not sure of you and her or this would have been dealt with a lot sooner then 2 years after meeting, right now it is congruent for you not to escalate, not to go for it, you have got to break this and do something that sets a new frame, to be seen in a new light, how you pull this off is up to you, there are already plenty of ideas and concepts around breaking out of the ''friend zone'' in the forum if you look through the search bar

but what is important is the new frame you adopt, hold it, maintain congruence, right now she has an idea of who you are, only problem is you were hiding your intention to maintain approval, in essence you have not been being yourself around this girl or she would already know what was up

and since this frame is solidified assume no assistance from her besides compliance, if she doesn't flake and she will isolate, then forget the stupid shit tests she throws, if you set a proper frame and she is aware that being alone with you will result in escalation and she chooses to be alone with you anyways, then passively she has accepted your frame, just tell her what is possible before she meets, then when she agrees to do so, passive compliance towards your intentions has been given, at that point her words are meaningless as actions speak louder then words, see the resistance for what it is, if you have non-compliance then you know it was nothing but a waste of time, a blip of the radar, some chick wanting attention

either way, to nail a girl you have been ''friends'' with for a long time, you have to be willing to lose them, escalate, be sure of what you want, and stay sure, don't change your mind or apologize, it ends one of three ways, you either escalate and get the girl, escalate and lose the girl or puss out, don't escalate, and don't get the girl, but get to keep her as a ''friend''

either way, trying to move forward through your intentions is the most likely way you will succeed in my opinion

as for not taking a shower....

you probably should... talking to people with bad b.o. sucks

GOOD LUCK

If you smell like shit after one hour, then you have a bacterial infection. These creepers are living on your body areas like the arm pits or back of the ears. In layman's terms, it's called a body odor. B.O. sucks when you have it.

You can try consulting a dermatologist for some remedies like sulfuric soap and so on. Personally, I soak my clothes in a strong disinfectant like Lysol for some 10 to 20 minutes (5 minutes when I'm rushing) before washing these. I also take a shower 2 to 3 times a day. When it's really hot, I even shower 4 times a day. If you're not comfortable with this technique because you have a body odor, then by all means DON'T do it.

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I'm 17, I have BO. So not doing that shit.

Yep. It's peacocking alright but the subtle kind. If you want to dig deeper, here's a free link to the scientific study, http://www.apa.org/pubs/journals/releas ... -3-399.pdf That's 19 pages though with 5 pages of references. Information overload could be bad for you so just take the reading with a laid back vibe.

If the study is no longer there, send me an email at hellhound.rodriguez@gmail.com and I'll send you the pdf file.
You can experiment on what works best for you. If you want to use deodorant, choose the odorless/scentless type.

Grammer made several studies on this but I think these studies are only available commercially at more than US $30 per study. You can search for the YouTube videos though on Discovery Channel. It's called Science of Sex Appeal.

You might even get a visual on the noted scientist and his wife in the videos. Grammer is the foremost expert when it comes to this shit.

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ok thanks everyone for the help, i texted her yesterday and i challenged her for not being spontenous and advanterous.. she instantly replied that usually she is very spontaneous and i challenged her again by saying well so tomorrow me,you and a good friend of mine that used to hang out with us are driving at night to the only lake that we have here in israel.. she said "ok it's a date" and apperantly my friend won't be able to come... should i just text her "ary is not coming, it's just the two of us, i'll pick you up at 23:00" if she falkes then she is probably just afraid and does'nt want me.. if she does we're going there.. i escalate and everything is great? or should i maybe call her?

Pumpington and others said it, as the same question creeped into my head while reading your thread. WHAT DO YOU WANT? Do you want to bang her, STR, LTR, FB's, what?

As said, set yourself a definite goal and work towards that, if you do not have it, all the information here is useless.
DO NOT text her to say your friend is not coming, she already said it was a "date"...come on!!! that's usually 2 people - get it?

So just arrive to pick her up, with a bottle of wine or whatever for the lake, and say Ary couldn't make it... Let's go! I'm pretty sure you won't get any LMR to go to the lake.... just be sure to have your intentions crystal-clear on what you are going to do AT the lake. Be ready for ASD and bullshit regarding "don't touch" etc.... If she says that shit to you it's only for you to work out and prove yourself. But know what you want.

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ok so i just came back now.. i picked her up from her cousin's wedding and we drove a little bit and then sat in the car and just talked a comfort-building conversation we talked about some not so intersting things but i used eye-contact a lot in order to make her feel something as i knew kino escalation would be rejected after she decided that's the game she's playing.. we had fun there in the car nothing special and then i made a statement "im going to eat pizza" so we went to eat some pizza and on our way we met two friends of her one of them is one of her best,childhood friend and she was for some reason very keen that they will join us and she finally convinced the good friend to join us which i know because my best friend fucked her last year.. we went to eat pizza i was mostly eating and they were talking, i made the energy in the conversation be very positive and funny and there is a thing i noticed about when she got a notification that a guy that is actually a good friend of mine gave her a like on a photo or whatever she said it out loud and i said "he is a good friend of mine, do you know him? " and she said "i wish i had.. he is so hot!"i continued like i did'nt care..
then we went back to the car and she slapped my arm for saying smt cocky-funny and then i put my hand over her waist and she was 50% backing off and 50% accepting it.. i pulled it back and in the car i put her friend at her home and when she left the car we had just a friendly kiss and she said "i had really good time, we surely should date again" actually all i want from her is being FB and that's it and im now sure about it. how do i continue from here? i really don't know if she is still attracted to me...

Did her pupils dilate? If her pupils grew big while you were looking into her eyes while thinking that your penis is banging her pussy, then she wet her panties. That is all the answer you need-- what her eyes say. It's science. Women can't fake what is reflected in their eyes.

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Question about this since you're the science guru, lol. If you're making eye contact with a girl and there's no pupil dilation, can you assume she isn't attracted to you? Given the appropriate lighting, etc., by the way.

wow now this is interesting.
This is good. If you can get her kinoing you by being c&f then i guess you definitly have some attraction going on (otherwise she would be just plain insulted)
But some girls require more handling than others. I'd go with the cocky funny stuff, lower down on compliments (if she asks you "Is this dress pretty?" you look at it with a smirf on your face and say "yeah" like you don't mean it. That kind of things will get her insecure and she will actually seek for your kino)

Also do some push/pull when kino (if you get her to sit on your lap, you push her away when she says something you don't like/or act like you don't like, for that matter)

Researchers discovered through empirical evidence that the dilation of the pupils is reciprocal. If you can make your pupils dilate first, then the girl will most likely make her pupils dilate too.

There are exceptions of course. Some girls will be immediately attracted to you and their pupils will dilate first before you dilate yours. The opposite will also be true.

But the dilation of the pupils is in a constant flux. Sometimes the girl's pupils will be small and sometimes it will be big. But in the case of a lovestruck girl, the dilation of her pupils will be constantly big when her target of affection is around. This is the look of love-- her pupils are always big, her eyes are almost watery but not on the verge of tears, her eyes twinkle and she eye fucks you a lot.

Otherwise, in normal circumstances, when a woman's pupils dilate she either likes what she sees or is wetting her panties. Out on field, you have a lot of control in making her pupils dilate. It won't be constant, unless she is in love with you, but be sure to kino escalate when you see her pupils grow big. It's your window of opportunity.

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