well, indirect in the middle of the street, like asking for the time, gets awkward if you stick around after your initial question. It radiates insecurity as it is obvious you required an excuse to talk to her.

So i would be a bit more direct, like i said in my reply.

cheers!

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"Stop being a fucking vagina and escalate" - CaptainJackHarkness

Like the naked leads the blind.
I know I'm selfish, I'm unkind.
Sucker love I always find,
Someone to bruise and leave behind.
placebo - every me, every you

hey LD,

don't worry I won't be lame like that lol. By indirect I mean opinion and situational stuff. Is that cool? Because direct day game seems to be the way to go,but I don't have the experience/confidence yet.

thanks! This got me really pumped to do some more sarging!

Hey!

Look, opinions and situational stuff are good. They are easy tools to start conversations and in their simplicity, they are actually kinda genius. They will mostly get you a small conversation, sometimes a longer convo, if you apply what people say on this board.

This is good stuff to get more social, talk to anybody, talk to beautiful women, get experience. I pray you, do this stuff. Dont mind your confidence, experience, whatever. Turn off your mind and just do. Just do.

what i am writing now, is a bit of a spoiler. You will probably read and say: 'meh' . and hopefully you just do.
I used openers, canned openers, opinions, situational openers etc for roughly 6 months (it was perhaps a bit less). I had the greatest fun, really. i did all kinds of crazy stuff, except get laid on regular basis. in think in those 6 months, i only got 2 lays, and that was more at the end of that period. I learned all kind of stuff, got especially good at making conversation, but i was mesmerized that i didnt get laid.

The reason was simple though: i just kept on looking for the right moment to go in for the kiss or actually to give any sensual sign of interest. Oh i said: 'i like you' or 'you are funny' numerous times. But never: 'darn, i think you are sexy. Very sexy'. Never anything 'dangerous'. Always nice, perhaps sometimes on the edge of dangerous, but never over the edge.

Eventually, i changed it during a bad bad relationship i had. i was fed up with being the nice guy. I thought i was good with women until i had this relationship. I was fed up, and i had nothing to lose. After that i read Mode one and radical honesty and i applied it while i was reading. And then i stroke me like lightening .

If you feel like you dont have much to lose and you have to balls to do it, go more and more direct. you will feel like the boss of bosses.

if you dont feel like it, i invite you to go the same road as i did. If i would have to do it all over again... i would again start with how i started, but i would go direct faster .

Cheers and good luck. keep doing stuff, i like that. Its the best way of learning.

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"Stop being a fucking vagina and escalate" - CaptainJackHarkness

Like the naked leads the blind.
I know I'm selfish, I'm unkind.
Sucker love I always find,
Someone to bruise and leave behind.
placebo - every me, every you

The "go for it" mentality is months down the road though. You need those conversational skills before you can hope to go direct and carry it to a close. I began the opposite way by doing crazy-direct stuff to desensitize myself to rejection. It did that, but I failed to learn how to properly carry an interaction to close. I'd get lucky, but gained an unhealthy addiction to easy lays. Had to do some backtracking.

Focus on having fun conversations first. It won't get you laid right away, but it leads to much better options in the long run.

first off the only way to stop a moving set is to go direct. if you go direct it will make you dead to rejection. you're bound to get a lot of rejections from direct so you wont even care about rejections. but if you are absolutely scared then i would start off with indirect

hey guys,

I was out yesterday and just decided to give every kind of opener a shot.
My opinion/ indirect opener was by far the worst. I just didn't deliver well at all and I felt incongruent as hell. It was "who lies more..." Shame on me. She just smiled and I think she even pitied me lol
Then I went situational. I approached a blonde HB8 while she was looking az kiddy card games in some store.
Me: Dont you think you're a bit too old for that?
Her (laughing): It's not for me! Do I look that young!
Me: Not really. Who are you getting it for?
After that it was just PU-free small talk. I teased her a lot (about her taste in toys) and recommended to her to just try and remember what she played with in her choldhood. She laughed at all my lame jokes and kept the convo going when I didn't say nothing. Shit what did I do so well? lol.
After 2 min I left. No close! Oh well there'll be other girls.

Finally I tried direct. Feelin like a pimp after ny success with the hot blonde, I stopped the first pretty girl I saw.
Me: I dont do this often but there's something about you that I like. I'd like to find out what!
Her: Sorry, not interested (smiles)
Damn! She was hot but there's nothing to do here. The funny thing is: the rejection didn't even bother me. I knew I was sincere and congruent, maybe just not her type.

It was a good day! I found out indirect is not for me, sorry Savoy.
What do you think? Was my direct game any good? I knew it was right after I succeeded with the blonde so I felt really confident.
Just give me your feedback, tips, whatever!

Fucking Outstanding.

Dude, "The secret to 'game' is being comfortable; then - it's NOT game." If that makes any sense to you - you're already ahead of the curve.


You did fantastic. You started with a neg with a hot chick! Fucking awesome. Now - analyze WHY the conversation stopped. Was it because you lost things to say? Time constraint not immediately addressed? You started questioning yourself internally as to why this was going so well and you mind-fucked yourself?

That's the real bonus in all of this - the information.

Simply start a conversation as if you've known her all your life. It's that simple. It's tough as fuck to GET there, but that's all it is at the end of the day.

As for the direct opener - dude, you can't just "do it"... you have to FEEL it. You just have to KNOW that in that moment, you can caveman her and it's the right thing to do. If not - You'll have a cool story, but you won't fuck her.

You're doing well. Seriously. Do that 10x a day, every day, and see how much more confident you feel.

Best,

RR

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Hey dude,

thanks for the feedback! I dont know why I quit, I was already happy enough (sounds dumb huh?) I coulda closed and went to qualification. Hell, within 2 dates or so I coulda laid her, she seemed into me. But I'm not kicking myself anymore, I'll just learn and close the next time.

Yeah, I gotta work on my direct. There wont always be inspiration for situational stuff.
I'll definitely keep it up! It just helped my game so much man, I feel much more confident now. Dude I direct opened right afterwards! I woulda never done that two weeks ago.

Love to hear from those who actually put things to practice.

Kudos.

Keep it up!

I dig this thread. I'll check here often. I wish you well.

RR

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Damn, today was a bust! I was pissed off to begin with but I figured some sarging could raise my state. Little did I know, looks like the daygame gods were mocking me

First, I see this real cutie pie walking down the street. I like her clothes plus I wanted to work on my direct openers, so I knew what I was gonna say. Feeling kinda nervous I went for it anyway.
Me: Hey, I like....
Gone. I was genuinely confused, I didn't look at her and she must've gone into the bank. WTF? Alright, she probably had an appointment, she didn't even realize I was talking to her. Just bad timing.

Next girl I like. She's looking hot from the back. I was gonna go all-in direct, but she had one of those tiny ridiculous dogs. In a moment of genius:
Me: Hey! I like your hamster (smiling)
She just ignores me and walks off.
Okay, that felt kinda good. I really thought it was funny, oh well. I was ready for more, but there was nothing going on. Like virtually no approachable girls.

After that, I was frustrated. I went to the bus station praying for a hot girl. As soon as I get on the bus (no girl) and buy my ticket, this goddess shows up and sits at the fucking station! Had she come earlier, I would've taken a later bus and tried my luck instead. I consider getting off the bus for an approach. But I'm short on money and can't afford to waste it like that, I'm just a high school student after all.


Well, it was bad today. I really wanna go in the city tomorrow just to redeem myself. I wanna plan it out this time, just to clear things up: from 4-6pm, 5 approaches, 3 of 'em direct. I'd like to do some sets, but I have no knowledge on groups during the day. Actually I heard you shouldn't do it at all as a beginner.

You'll hear from me tomorrow, unless it's raining again, because the city would be empty like it was today.

Be careful not to measure how good your day was by the reaction of hot girls. There will be a lot of bad days that way. This is why talking to everyone and working on conversation is so important. Then every day will be fun.

I like your spirit. Just keep chatting away with whoever seems interesting. But there's no need to redeem yourself. You did fine. Just need to see having fun is your top priority.

When you sarge pissed off... it shows.

If you're in a pissed-off place mentally and feel the urge to sarge - it's much better to stay inside; read, think, watch video...

You'll project that same vibe to a woman, just like when you're talking with a lady who's genuinely pissed off - you know that as well.

Always ensure your own mental state is one that's positive, upbeat and energetic (Not a false smiling dumbass... you get what I'm saying - just be in a GOOD mood - be inviting.).

RR

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Women are like ceramic tile.... if you do the prep work, and lay them properly the first time...you can walk all over them for years to come.

Hey mate

i think your doing great!

I want to add something combined to the fine advice of the posts above here:
Direct game is an honest game and honesty is a bitch. It cuts both ways. Be prepared for harsh returns when you go direct and honest. Make sure your ego can take them without being offended.

Also, in the same line, direct is all about honesty. I always saw it more as a way of life. Go for what i want, and tell people what is on my mind (be more or less tactful though. i would never say to a mother that her new born looks like he might have been molested by multiple packs of horny dire wolfs). Being direct is not a silver bullet to get into girls pants fast. it can go down fast, but that is not the point. See direct as a way of life. Dont just tell women what is on your mind, be strong and start being more honest with everybody in your social circle. You will lose friends and you will gain friends, some friendships will even get to the next level.

For me, this mindset is a big part of the definition of a real man.

cheers, good luck and keep on doing the good stuff mate. You will get there!

cheers!

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"Stop being a fucking vagina and escalate" - CaptainJackHarkness

Like the naked leads the blind.
I know I'm selfish, I'm unkind.
Sucker love I always find,
Someone to bruise and leave behind.
placebo - every me, every you

Alright guys,

like I said, I was out today. I even stuck with the 5 approaches I wanted to do, no excuses. There was a lot of direct stuff because I just didn't have the opportunity to go situational. I'm happy with doing what I planned but the approaches weren't that great. No closes either.

The first girl I see at a store while I was picking up some beauty products (no homo!).
She looks really hot, pretty tall and blonde. The model type. I see she's trying out some eyeliner.
Me: Hey, in case it helps I always take this one! (point at the most feminine /pink product available) Btw, I love doing stuff like this. Too bad you don't see girls in special situations too often.
Her: Okay (laughs, a bit shocked)
Me: So which one are you getting?
Her: I don't know, just browsing.
She didn't seem real comfortable and I really can't make a nice convo about make up. Since it's my first approach I decide to let it go and sarge elsewhere.

The next HB is walking around the city. She's pretty small but real cute. Time for my first direct of the day. She's going in the opposite direction so this should stop her.
Me: Hey, I like the way you dress!
Her: Thank you
Me: So how are you liking our weather?
Her: Well it doesn't really look like summer.
After that I left lol. She didn't look that great up close, plus I had a hard time transitioning. I was so desperate I started talking about the weather! I just find situational openers to be so much easier..but there's was just no inspiration.

After her, I ran some errands. I noticed a cuteish blonde leaning against a wall, looking all depressed.
Me: Hey, why are you standing there all sad?
she looks away and ignores me. Stuff like that doesn't bother me anymore, it actually became amusing. Plus who knows what her personal situation was, she didn't look sociable at all.

Next girl is too basic to write about. She looks average but with a great taste in clothes. She has these pink pants with a khaki top...hard to describe. I go direct, she says "thanks" not more. No material for a convo, this is why I don't like direct.

So the fifth girl is basically why I'm writing all this. She's going the opposite way. As soon as I see her I know I have to approach. She's about 6'1" tall. She's wearing a khaki blazer, a white shirt and black leggings that really show off her perfect legs. By far the hottest girl.
Me: Hey, I gotta tell you something!
She stops. Good sign.
Me: I love the way you dress!
Her: Thank you! (out of all girls she was the most sincere)
Me: So where are you going?
Her: To my boyfriend! (laughs)
That kind of set me back...I don't know what to talk about. But I don't wanna eject too fast, so again, I switch to the weather. After a while:
Me: So you've been dealing with this weather your whole life? (the weather in my city sucks)
Her: Yeah, I'm only 18 so it's really not that long of a life
Me: I don't really like it around here. I came when I was about 7.
Her: Well move back then.
What? Is she getting an attitude? I have no experience with hooking, starting a convo and THEN getting tested/rejected. So of course I react in the worst way possible: I justify myself. All it took was one sentence and she says:
"Okay, bye!"

Until this approach I felt like I reached the point where this becomes fun. I didn't care about rejection, it just amused me. But this was a new kind of rejection and I didn't like it at all. I had no transition but I felt like I was onto something. I was kinda running out of things to say, so I would have ejected anyway. But still! What should I have said? How do I continue after my direct opener? I wish there was some situational material with every girl, it would make things much easier. I just didn't really have stuff to talk about, the weather is lame, but better than saying nothing.

So lemme know what you think. What should I have done? I'm proud for doing the challenge, but the last approach just kicked me in the nuts....

Weather is an AFC transition. It says "I have nothing else to say about myself of interest so let's talk about what is so utterly fucking obvious you'll be bored and forget me"...

I like the approach - but expound on it! You already have a comfort self-deprecating. Use that.

You: I love the way you dress...
her: blah blah blah
you: I mean, I'm a dude - far from gay - and I noticed. You put a smile on my face.
her: thanks
you: No, seriously thank YOU. People don't put enough stock into smiling anymore...

Then you can transition anywhere. With your personality, if the rapport is positive - go 'gay'. Fake a high-pitched voice, and start asking about perfumes, and accessorizing... go for a play hit (kino) then dial it right back to another conversation. If it's going well - ask her about hapiness. You can say "Asking if you are happy - or what makes you happy seems stupid... so let me ask you this way: How do you define happiness?". Subliminally you're saying "I'm not stupid, I'm not every other guy - I want to know because I'm interested on a deeper level". Asking for a number in this case (or an instant date) can be done using a memory-cue. You can say "Tomorrow, I'm going to be at _________ at 11AM. I'd love to meet you there. I have a smile I need to repay.". You're bonding the two of you based on a memory you created together....that's the goal. Figuring out her routines, schedule, interest is in the back of your mind with everything you say/do so when it comes to transitioning to a number - it's expected and natural; merely a means to continue the fun conversation you two were having...

Also - any chick with a boyfriend.... so what? If you can game a chick with a boyfriend - you're doing her a favor; she's wasting her time with him as it is or she'd not be open to you to begin with. I treat that as a shit test initially. When they say that... there are a ton of lines...

- I know, I'm from the boyfriend replacement bureau - they said it's time to upgrade.
- He's not invited.... but you are. (If she says "to what" - game on!)
- When you're ready to raise your standards - we should talk. I might even be available. (If she responds back playfully then you tell her you'll check your schedule)
- Awww... How cute - you have a boy friend. a BOY friend. Darlin - I'm a grown-ass man. You should find a MANfriend.

And you weren't rejected my friend - you blew it yourself. Start thinking how to continue a FUN energetic conversation as if you're talking to your buddy. Start stacking from there once you're seeing results, and you're on your way!

Don't get down about this - seriously it's a positive.


Best,

RR

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Women are like ceramic tile.... if you do the prep work, and lay them properly the first time...you can walk all over them for years to come.