Great thread

Thanks Skillz for the guide and thanks to others for their contributions

Here are my thoughts on the nightclub environment

Firstly the dancing monkey thing. There is a difference between 'show' dance moves and showing the ladies that you know how to move your body.

Girls use how a guy dances as an audition for how potentially good they are in bed, right or wrong, that's how many girls think (tons have told me so)

so yes i agree don't be a dancing monkey and trip out with flashy dance moves, but move on the dancefloor so girls know you know how to use your hips 'properly'

The buying girls drinks thing. I totally agree don't just buy drinks for any girl who asks, but if your getting on with a girl, i see no harm in buying a drink. I usually buy a cocktail we can share and make it a fun experience to share the drink. Ive even used the strawberry in a cocktail as a tool to escalate to kissing.

About not going out with too many guys. I do like to go out with my mates, often 7 or 8 of us. If usually use my mates as a 'home base' at a club and wonder around on my own at a club periodically. It may not be perfect for gaming but sometimes just having fun is important and gets you in the right mood to be successful.

I do believe that social proofing in the club environment is important. The more people you know who are important in the club world, the easier it is to meet more girls without having to approach many, you just meet them. I train in boxing and reality based combat so i know many of the bouncers/doorman at the best clubs in town who train at my gym. They in turn have introduced me to hat check girls, bar girls and guys and it just all helps.

This may seem a bit weird, but over the years i have absolutely killed it meeting girls at taxi stands waiting for a taxi to go home. Many times, i have hopped into a taxi with them and gone back to theirs or mine.

look i don't do what gambler says to do, so i can not comment of that since i have not try it, as i said i do something similar putting my arm crossed ghetto style(only with hip hop) shaking my head up and down, and looking at the girl in a kind of ganster looking way, the always smile and mirror my movements(but i only do this with some of the more guetto hip hop top 40 songs), most of the time i open by dancing... Or i dance and get proximity then i open...
Dancing from behind is what everybody does, how are you getting her aroused? with the frontal "grinding" if you do it right(i am working on videos), you will get them hot, bother, and in some instances orgasms...

kclosing should be relevant, and they bouncing to other clubs will work for your advantage, specially if you leave with them(change of venues), getting number is never relevant in my phylosophy, as i say i only get numbers when the girl is really into me, and nasty make outs and tons of attractions... other than that for me numbers is a waste of my time, but if they are dtf, and you and the girls there for 2 weeks get the number and set up a sexual encounter, or text them to come to your apt. for a party you are having or whatever..
The game will not translate well or any to dancefloor game the 20 mistakes will...
Yes relax, get in state, do your reads, look women that are your type and logistics, then attack that could work... or just attacking right as you get into the club, i tried both approaches they both work depending on the scene, if women are already warmed up, and there is club vibe of hooking up, i usually attack right away, sometimes waiting=masturbating..

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^ everything you said is right on, specially the association of your dancing with sexual performance, totally agree.. I have never done the taxi thing, it does not work like that here in south florida, but i guess probably in NY is like that...I think i do have to explain the alone stuff, alone is better to open or be open, but as i said i know pretty much everybody at the club, and have friends, the problem is sometimes your friends will fuck up your game, but there are some friends that will open or introduce you to female friends etc...

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Wicked, thanks for all the tips skills, I'll check the videos when you've done them!

Going to show my friends this thread and I'll write up a report of how Spain goes, much appreciated man.

EDIT: Have now read the opener thread, really good stuff mate I'll be sure to keep it all in mind, thanks again!

hey man! remember that the women are going there for the same reason you are, to drink, have fun, hook up, get wasted, so everything goes..It should be easy is the same as ibiza, the hamptons, daytona beach here in florida(spring break) and key largo on memorial day... Do the verbal game in the not lousy areas of the club, read the poeticlycskuac, perfect opener here, it will help tons:

the-perfect-opener-vt133696.html?highli ... ect+opener

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Guys i am against drinking for me drinking is false confidence, will get you fat,is expensive, and will get you into fights, in 17 years clubbing i have never gotten drunk or drink very very little maybe less than 10 times, i have a natural friend that needs 5 plus beers to get going, he waste too much time, time that he could be interacting, and sometimes he does not even remember the girls he hooked up with... Here is Julian on Drinking:

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nice post..

What about when there is a group of 4+ girls? You are alone with no wingman. How do you approach the group without appearing creepy. An example some of them are dancing with each other and some are talking to each other but all in close proximity. What do you suggest?

It depends on the time of the night... But in general at the beginning of the night if you open them sometimes they are looking to get warm up or validation... Is better to open them alone, lets threatening and intimidating... Make sure is a top 40 song, reggae or hip hop vs an obscure techno song, that will make things easier...

I will tell you i usually open one girl of the group that with my reads(body language) i think will give me the less resistance, once you are in and they do not rescue, each other, or give indication of desinterst or the stop dancing or move away... In other word you pass the hook point, you involve everybody in the group minimally, then you focus on the target.... There are 2 types of castles in my opinion :

The ones waiting to be broken by the right dude with skills..
and the ones that do not want to be broken(they just want to bond together) usually early in the night(it sounds weird but that is women for you), or that have boyfriends and husbands in the place that do not dance and they are just dancing together, that is why i really recommend poetic body language reads in the dtf post, posted in this threat... The key is NOT TO WASTE TIME, if the vibe is not there(you will feel it), eject...

What i do is sometimes wait for a brief distraction in the group(one girl goes to the bathroom, or getting a drink or just they are distracted, no making eye contact among themselves), a brief opening and i go in, you have to be super confidence, no hesitation, no hidden agenda, you just happen to be dancing there cause you are a cool, friendly dude that is fun, i will bring fun to the group... As soon as they see you like that engage everybody minimally then attack the target(dancing, while she is having fun, and ESCALATING while looking for compliance)... Finally i do some push pulling, when she is kind of hook, i pull back and engage other girls in the group...

Troubleshooting: if the target super stuck up, ignore her and engage the group, once you won over the group and all the girls like you and are all over you, then dance with the target, kind of accidentally, you just happen to be dancing with her.

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Something I've struggled with was dancing with a girl that I've made eye contact with several times on the dancefloor. I think coming off from behind a few minutes later would seem kinda.. creepy

Never break eye contact, keep it and go up to her and dance from the front, you can go from the back if she knows is you and gave you seductively eye contact, in other words if expected. And yes if a girl is forcing eye contact and you hesitate(when she expect you to open) you could be interpret as lack of confidence translation he thinks i am better than him translation he is not man enough translation he is another beta...

Somethings you can say:

Cajun: how are you gonna look at me like that and not say anything, i am ______

Soncheese(forum member) are we gonna keep flirting from a distance or are we gonna talk/dance

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I also find groups intimidating but i have had quite a bit of success. I will only move forward if i have some IoIs from the group in general, then i pick out a girl who lookswise is midway in the group, not one of the two hottest but not the ugliest. I then motion her towards me. I am not too far from the group but by coming to me, she is distinctly away from the group but close enough to them that she is comfortable. If you pick the right girl, she will almost always come to you because she is used to her hotter friends being the first ones hit on, not her. Anyway she comes to you, you introduce yourself, give her a twirl and have a bit of a fun dance with her. After a song or two, thank her for the dance and ask her to introduce you to her friends taking her hand and walking her back over to her group. Then go over, meet with them and have a bit of a dance with all of them. If you feel a bit awkward with the group at any time, say thanks and excuse yourself to go get a drink or go to the toilet and give the girl you originally danced with a hug.

Now i personally find it quite hard to escalate from a group of girls because they are quite protective of each other but this kind of thing will send your social proof in the club through the roof in the eyes of other girls in that group and in the club. Girls have seen you as a friendly guy who likes to dance and not out to grope every girl.

AFter doing something like this, later in the night i have had girls from the group or other groups approach me. By not picking the hottest girls in the group, you are also creating some competition within the group as the hot ones wonder why you didn't choose them and may want to come and seek you out to find out why.

There was this club i used to go to which had the perfect set up for this kind of thing. It had a large dancefloor which was sunken and the whole rest of the club could see everything which went on on the dancefloor so if you came accross as a fun confident guy, willing to bust a groove, all the girls around the dancefloor saw that. If you were a jerk who tried to grind and handle every girl, everyone could see that too, likewise if you were one of those guys who went on the dancefloor with a drink and just stand there doing nothing gawking at everyone.

This is good advice for a newbie, but if you are a man of genuine confidence, none of that matters.

I am gonna have to disagree with this one, if you have made solid seductive eye contact, you can break it as long as you had a strong enough conscious effect on your target. Meaning, if you had got into her head, you don't have to approach right then and there. I'll often make strong eye contact, hold it! wait for her to break it then not approach. I'm not worried whether she thinks I am not confident or beta. I already know I am more then confident and alpha.

But Knowing I got into her head, I know the game has begun. I want more cue's from her. I want my target to practically beg ( body language and re-initiated eye contact) for me to come up to her. Sometimes I want them to come to me.

My mind frame is I am a desirable man, she should want to approach me as much as I want to approach her. Sure I might be the one to make the approach, but I want her to want me to approach so bad that it shows, through all her mannerisms, not just eye contact.

The theory behind making strong seductive eye contact then breaking it and not approaching is, you can honestly see the effect you had on her by how she reacts after this. If you catch her continuing to check you out, or gravitate towards you on the dance floor, or anywhere for that matter, you are becoming more in a power position. Women will give off huge approach cue's if you got into their head and they are interested.

Sometimes I will not even approach the woman at all. I've had women come up to me and basically bitch me out for not approaching them. But when that has happened I became 100% in the power position. I made her game me, instead of me gaming her. The best part about it is, women don't have any game. Their shit is weak!

This is just my prospective. I understand the principles behind not breaking eye contact and approaching. But as you progress and become a confident and efficient pick up artist. These simple rules do not apply. Such as the 3 second rule.

So if you are just starting out in this game, then yes don't break eye contact and follow the 3 second rule. If you are a man unbreakable confidence. None of those rules apply to you.

It's one thing to become efficient at approaching and pick up, it's another thing to become the desirable man. If you can do both, no rules apply to you.

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Seduce their mind and the rest will follow.

Game the entire group at once, approach in a friendly manner. Introduce yourself to all of them. If they are all paying attention, be charming and witty while you address them all. Try to make them laugh as a group. This is a great way to get one of the girls. By gaming the entire group in a friendly manner. It is basically giving you permission to isolate anyone of them a little later.

I'll often open the group. Do whatever it takes to make them laugh and get a feeling for them as a whole, then I will eject. Then ( a little later) I will re-engage either the friendliest or the most receptive from the initial interaction.

If she happens to be the one out of the group I wanted, then awesome, if she's not, I can always ask her about the one I want. If I established a good comfortable rapport with the group, anyone of them will be open with me and tell me whether or not the one I want is available.

The beauty of this is if you engage the group properly and unassuming. You will often get a group mentality and in general a friendly response from all of them.

Here is some examples of how to address the entire group.

( I'd advise always going into a set indirect, unless you have already made some reads on one girl, or had heavy eye contact with a specific target in the set)

Direct: ( only if you have IOI's from a target already)

a)Hey ladies, I really do have a genuine interest in this girl. ( point to her) Do you mind If I steal her away from you so I can introduce myself.

b)Hi all of you! I gotta say, I really love all of your style, you guys look great. I have to admit though there is one of you that I can't really take my eyes of and I am wondering if I can steal her for a dance?

c)Hey ladies, all of you are great dancers and look amazing. However, I can't help but adore this girl right here. My name is X, whats all your names?

Indirect: ( when you are going in completely cold)

a)Hey ladies, I am new to this club, how is the dj here? ( does he get any better) Them: blah blah.
You: my name is X, what's your names? ( continue with polite small talk, crack a joke or two make them laugh then eject)

b) hey everyone, I have a question for you? What do you guys think of dudes that just walk up and grab girls? I just seen it over there and I find it to be disrespectful. Has this happened to any of you? Them: blah blah.
You: my name is X, what your names. (continue small talk, humor, etc etc)

c) I was talking with a friend of mine, ( if you are alone just point to some random guy) He said that all of you are definitely from out of town, maybe even out of state/country/province, I said, that it seems like you are all big city girls cuz you all have a great fashion sense. So how bout it? Is he right or am I? Introduce yourself, etc etc.

The key here is to not be appearing to be gaming, you can game after you broke into the set and received a general acceptance. Even if you run into resistance and the group brushes you off, you really were only being friendly. So they shouldn't have any reason to be rude, and if they are. FUCK THEM! they're not worth your time anyways.

If it's too loud for them to hear you, don't bother with any of those approaches. You only bet is to do it with your body language, dance up to the group get into their proximity and look for reads and IOI's from one or all, then go from there.

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Seduce their mind and the rest will follow.

^ i agree and have similar experiences with everything you are saying, specially for example if during the eye contact the music sucks(hard rock or obscure techno or just a shitty song), I am just talking in general... But sex addict is totally right, i am talking in assuming the dude is a newbie... Remember i am also basing it from a "Dance Floor" perspective, in other words "women dancing on the dance floor"

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