Hey, I'm Leon and 23 from around California and thought I'd take a look at this. I don't know much about PUA tactics and techniques so maybe you can point me towards some good things to try and read. I thought I'd give you a bit of background on me and current stuff with girls and maybe you can point out things I should have done or should be doing.

So yeah, I had a fairly normal dating life as a teen. When I was 18 I met a girl who I really fell in love with and we were together for 4 years and got engaged. Turns out towards the end she was wanting to meet other guys (me being her 2nd relationship) after 4 years and I kinda gave her all the power by saying I still wanted to be with her and she should let me know what she wants when she knows etc - when I should have just dumped her and moved on. Well first love etc over now and she jumped from me to someone else, mistakes made.

So after that I went out a lot met some women, I was at a party and this really hot girl actually approached me. She is a few years younger and I'll call her girl 2 We got on ridiculously well and I got her number, but turns out she had a boyfriend. After what happened to me with girl 1 - I made it clear that we shouldn't text etc, which she responded "No we can still be friends, anyway I wouldn't date someone who wouldn't talk to me unless I was single anyway." So she would text me maybe 40-50 times a day, her often starting the texting and if I didn't reply within an hour or so I'd get another one! She seemed to be really into me and good fun. So about 2 weeks after we met, she was out with a group including her bf and they had a fallout and he dumped her - she then texted me, saying she was walking about the streets of LA alone and drunk. This was about 11pm so like any decent guy I couldn't just leave her and I found her and picked her up, went for a drive and had a walk and a talk around some quiet streets. My biggest mistake I think is that I didn't make a move, I knew she was just asking for me to kiss her and she was single at that night - but I was rather being a gentleman and waiting until the stuff with her bf was definitely over, again not wanting to be like the guy that went off with my ex. The next day she was back with her bf and texting me as per usual, she said she wanted to meet up again - this happened about 3 or 4 times where we would set a day and then the same day or the night before she would cancel on me. It seemed a bit odd as she asked to meet up each time. So yeah, then almost suddenly she stopped texting so much, maybe 10 times a week rather than 50 a day and she never asked to meet up again.

So I have known her for about a year now, she is quite flirty in texts towards me but I haven't called or met her in about 8 months. She often calls me "hot" and "cute", she has asked if I like her and more recently "love" her. My response has always been, "you have a boyfriend so stop flirting with me!" - which she responds with "you love it really ". So she still texts me every few days but I wonder if she is just playing with me or if she actually likes me, or is just using me as a backup - I have told her to stop texting me before and she turns all serious saying "I was only joking" and apologises for things. I find it just a bit confusing that she wants to keep texting a lot but never actually meet or call - there is always an excuse why she can't do the latter two.

So yeah, she is a girl I really like and get on well with, but I'm still going out and meeting other girls. I have had dates from wesites like POF and Beautifulpeople, but still noone seems to be anywhere near as good as this girl. Do you think I should just ignore her or is there anything I could ask her or try? She says she loves her boyfriend and so on. Any comments would be great, I might have to go into a bit more detail though on how she acts. Thanks, hope to learn a lot!

1. Seems you've been friend zoned a long time ago because you care too much about her boyfriend... you dont know him do you? Well then...
2. You should have made your move, stop being a gentalman, you dont know that guy.. and he dumped HER that night. Huge miss there.
3. Do you ever tell her you are going on dates and see other girls? Make her jelous as much as possible. Lie if you have to. Its a powerful tool.
4. Next time she breaks up go for it.
5. When she texts you dont respond right away maybe even ignore a few.
6. Test her limits and ask questions. When she says your cute ask why, when she says you love her ask why do you think that? etc.
7.Never say "you have a boyfriend so stop flirting with me!" again .. flirt back, see how hardcore she will flirt, find her line in the sand and then pull back.

Now there ARE ways to break them up NOW but Karma is a btich and will bite you in the ass one day. So my suggestions are to make her jelous and to just date as many girls as you can and forget her till shes single again. If she texts you I

Hey thanks for the reply.

I wonder if I have been friend zoned, she doesn't meet up with me as she thinks it will be "unfair" on her boyfriend - yet she has plenty of guy friends she meets up with? I wonder what all that means, wanting to keep texting but never meeting.

Yeah big regret, I missed the perfect chance. I do tell her I see other girls but they weren't good for me, she sometimes asks "I am better than them though right?" Which I respond with "maybe if you were single" or something similar. If I say a date was boring or another criticism, she will often make sure I don't think she is like that.

If I ignore her texts, she will usually send another one asking why I didn't respond etc. I don't know the boyfriend at all, although I think there are one or two mutual friends of mutual friends who know where I live - so if he wanted to hunt me down he probably could if other people helped him out, although as things stand I don't think I have done anything wrong.

Would be awesome to have more comments/opinions, this girl texting me is a HB 9-10!

She does a lot of shit tests, one was "my boyfirend checks my phone and sees our texts! He thinks you are a weirdo." Which I replied, "Why are you texting me then?" - which she said " I'm only joking loser, just winding you up! ". Doesn't it seem this isn't "friend zone" type texts? Failed that shit test bad I know!

Write her :
- "Winding is not going to help you in this case sweetie , try with a tornado "

Man...why are you being played like a little bitch by this girl.

Text her "fuck me or fuck off"

I'd love to see her response.

HAHAHAHA I second that! There are plenty other HB9-10s seriously though!

Stay friends with her, but talk to other people. She is not a focal point

So would I. And if she doesn't agree to fuck, then drop her. She's fucking with your brain. Get away.

Thanks guys, a few things. She knows people I know, even if they aren't close to me there are close friends who know these people - the last thing I want is for them to know I basically gave her an ultimatum for fuck me. The fact that she won't meet or even talk on the phone for the past 8 months makes it pretty unlikely she would be up for it. Yet these 8 months she hasn't gone more than about 5 days without texting me, is this a IOI or what?

She is definitely fucking with my brain - a good way to turn around the shit tests and get her to actually meet other than "fucke me or fuck off" tactic?

First of all, put your hand down your boxers and locate your balls, assuming you have a pair then use them!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Secondly get another girl, if this other girl is into you she'll ask why your with another when she thought you liked her, to which you respond 'i did like you but i dont have time to wait'. she'd be alot easier to pull then because you have gone up in her mind, right now she sees you as beneath her, you notice the guy dumped HER and she went back after getting rid of you? he's higher value to her then you are.

Or just do what i would do and forget about her and get someone who aint gonna play mind games with you, and stop dancing to her tune!!!!!

I definitely do not have the balls for some of my friends and work colleagues to know I told this girl to "fuck off or fuck me", especially as some know the boyfriend!

But point taken, although she didn't get rid of me as we were never together - I just made no move. She seems to be clinging on to me or playing with me as a backup - perhaps she does view herself as above me as I respond to her texts and go along with whenever she wants to chat. I'm starting to think I should just tell her to stop texting me altogether unless she wants to meet up, just a shame thinking to how well we got on and how hot she is - especially if she did split up again in a week or so!

I do sometimes mention I date people, but I have never yet dated someone I really liked recently - perhaps she seems to know I like her more. It is a tough one, whether to put up with mind games and shit tests on the off chance they will split - I'll make it clear though that I'm always looking for other options.

try this, the next two times she texts you just delete them as soon as you've read them, dont respond. she'll wonder why you're ignoring her and will become more keen

This.

Thanks, will do.

Btw, dunno if this means anything but I got a missed call last night from her. Never happened before - asked her about it but said she phoned me by accident as her phone wasn't locked in her pocket and she didn't realize. I found it a bit odd that it didn't go to voicemail if she didn't realize she was phoning.