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PostPosted: Wed Jun 20, 2012 5:30 pm 
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Hello-

I’m posting in relation to something I saw on this very interesting thread :

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but I’m making a separate post since the topic is a bit tangential to that post.

In that post, Fuze/Eddie Fews mentioned :

This is nothing bro.. This is the process when she gets transformed into the girl who will never even consider cheating on you, also the looking through yellow pages chick...

(looking through yellow pages refers to her being devoted, and looking through the yellow pages to help her man find a new job after he loses his, rather than dumping him as the chick described in this post had done.)

My question is: In the community’s opinion- can ANY girl could be transformed into a ‘yellow pages’ girl with solid enough game and the right feelings for a guy? Or is that only certain girls are primed to do it, and the ones who don’t should be nexted?

I’ll quickly summarize the situation that has me wondering this- I got involved with/was fucking a married chick- she had a nice combination of what I’m looking for long term in terms of looks and intelligence, but she was more of a, my word for it is ‘difficult’ (i.e. non-compliant, continually shit-testy) girl then what I’d like. She moved out of her and her husband’s place after I had been fucking her for 4 months. Immediately following that we were seeing each other a lot, after some good work and tough action on my part, it looked like things between she and I were going to be perfect going forward, … I felt like she had been converted into the ‘yellow pages’ sort of girl, and she said she was officially completely leaving him. Shortly thereafter though, her husband proceeded to guilt trip her to keep her attached to him emotionally (it seemed to me like he was using fractionation on her, which he may or may not have been aware of and intentionally doing). She stopped being the yellow pages girl with me of course. We went along with a power struggle with me fucking her along the way for 2 more months, and then have stopped talking for another two months now. … I was frustrated and felt like I would be better off searching elsewhere for what I was looking for. What she had that attracted me is a little difficult to replace, but if she would always be the ‘difficult’ girl- even if she ever broke off contact with her husband, then she’s valueless to me.

Hence my general question- Can any girl be converted? Or is a girl who resists this more than the guy cares to put up with just a bad apple that should be nexted?

I’m curious to hear what Fuze/Eddie Fews would have to say about this, but other knowledgeable opinions are of course welcome as well.


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In simple terms no, all women are capable of cheating if their interest level is low enough, I don't care who she is or what she tells you! all women can cheat if you don't keep them on their toes!

Can you have a successful relationship in which the women does not cheat or have the desire to cheat? yes of course, but like I said if you let the attraction slide, if you let her interest level dip, she will look eles where.

Women are weak emotional creatures, they let their emotions lead them and if you know how to play into those emotions they will always stick by your side! A girl who has an interest level of 90% plus will do w.e you want! she will change her life for you! but as soon as it dips bellow 60% its bye bye!! she will start to argue, look for other men, do things you would never think she was capable of!


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Not sure what "fractionation" is but going to guess its a form of emotional manipulation. fact is, some women love drama. Perhaps she really likes her husband but likes u on the side too. You are really desperate if you want this girl to be something more to you that she wasn't to the last guy (who you also don't know unless he beats the shit out of her)

In any case it's like a girl trying to marry Henry VIII, bound to have ur head bitten off.


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Thanks dark one and CaptainJackHarkness for your quick responses.

@ dark one

I agree all women are capable of cheating, my question is more about how to best choose the right one for those of us whose goals are ultimately a family with the right woman. … Based on your response it sounds like your saying that any woman could be the nice devoted girl as long as she’s above the 90% level.

Sounds reasonable, but perhaps some girls are easier than others to maintain at the 90% level, making them better mate choices- unless some guy likes the idea of all that work for the rest of their lives.

@ CaptainJackHarkness

Point taken about me perhaps being desperate, and getting too much tunnel vision for this girl. With this girl I couldn’t tell if the situation with her husband that was the culprit, or if she was just ultimately a bad apple. So you think some girls (like this one) are inherently to be avoided.

And yeah, in a nutshell, fractionation is a form of emotional manipulation. Derek rake is a name associated with it if you look it up online.


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Pressure and time and anyone will change.


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Most people won't be able to invest the time.
Most people won't be able to have the patience to deal with bad habits changing.
Most people will probably in up walking away or hurting someone in hopes of speed the process and ruin the progress.


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Hmmm… thanks for the opinion IwantEasyLove.

… But how does one know if it’s worth the time to try to change a girl, rather than move on to or search for another one already closer to the right mindset?


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Screening. The answer you're looking for is screening.
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This post is all about finding the right type.

Freaks, Hoes and Good Girls


Hopefully this is a recap for most of you. The theory has been around the community for a long time. I personally have found it to be very helpful when dealing with women. The main idea is that different types of girls want different things from their relationships. Most girls fall easily into one of these three categories. Guys should be able to figure out what type they are dealing with and act accordingly.

Good Girls - Girls who are happy in relationships when their significant other is happy. These girls will tend to go out of their way to do nice things for their guys: cook, clean, give them gifts, play out their sexual fantasies, etc. They are the easiest type to maintain a long term relationship with because they make it fairly easy for the guy.

Freaks
- Girls who are happy in relationships when they receive attention and strong emotional states. This is the type guys fall for the quickest, because they generally come off as very vulnerable. This type thrives on validation, both positive and negative. They cause a lot of drama, are more likely to cheat on you (sex is a form of validation), and usually have some form of daddy issues. These are also the type of women who tend to stay in abusive relationships. Guys, don’t get into serious relationships with these types of girls unless you really know what you’re doing. The way to make this work is for the guy to be able to inject a steady amount of drama into the relationship (or find some way to give her strong emotional states).

Hoes - Kind of self-explanatory. These girls are happiest when they are receiving material resources (money, gifts, etc) from guys. They are only interested in dating high-status guys or guys who show a willingness to buy them things. When you meet them, they will probably ask you about your job, what car you drive and/or where you live. They will relentlessly tool a guy over to get what they want. They’ll try to get you to pay for everything. The best way to have a long term relationship with a girl like this is to play the “pimp”. Don’t put up with any of that stuff.. Be clear that she’s going to have to pay for her crap if she wants any chance of seeing you. Be fine with her tooling over her orbiters or get her to tool over her orbiters for your benefit (I.e. send her up to the bar to get you free drinks from AFC‘s).

In conclusion, if you’re goal is an easy drama-free relationship, then stick to good girls. If you like a challenge and/or really know what you are doing, then try the other ones. However, you got to have great game to make it work with the other types. The freak’s petty drama and the ho’s attempts to tool you over for money are just forms of shit-tests. If you fail the shit tests, then these types will eat you alive (I learned this lesson the hard way, like most guys).

Low self-esteem vs. High self-esteem

Low self-esteem girls tend to sabotage their own relationships. They tend to assume other people think of them the same way they think about themselves. They tend to think you’re going to leave them eventually anyway so they will act out to test that theory. They do not make good long-term relationship candidates.

High drive vs. low drive


Don’t get into a long term relationship with somebody who has a lower sex drive than you do. It’s just not a good idea. Try to screen for people without sexual hang-ups. Personally, I would not consider a serious relationship with a girl who isn’t at least somewhat open-minded about sex. I also would not date somebody who would use sex as a bargaining chip.

RED FLAGS (I HAVE PERSONALLY ENCOUNTERED)

- History of drug abuse and or alcoholism
- history of poor decision making (like a long line of douche bag ex-boyfriends)
- seems to be in a constant state of crisis
- history of depression (un-medicated or not good at keeping up with the medication) or has a mother who’s mentally ill
- works as a stripper
- unwillingness to give and/or receive oral sex (I.e. has sexual hang-ups)
- history of past sexual abuse
- thinks masturbation is gross (opinions may vary on this one)
- Assumes you will pay for everything and/or disappears to the bathroom every time a check arrives.

EDIT: Some additions Richard Pryor listed, that I really liked:

- No friends
- Some form of obsessive compulsive disorder (OCD)
- Bad relationship with her parents, especially her father
- History of eating disorder (anorexia/bulimia)

I’m sure I can think of lot more if I tried. Be cautious when you see girls with these qualities.

In the future, when you ask a question on the forums about a particular situation, then it would help us if you let us know what kind of girl you are dating. For example, I am dating a high-drive, high self-esteem good girl. That should already tell you a lot about her personality. Incidentally, she’s pretty awesome and we don’t really ever have issues even after a year and four months.

EDIT 2: Further reading - Dogsoldier's fantastic post about Freaks, Hoes and Good Girls. The post focuses on how to spot the different types in a club scene and how to pick them up.

http://www.fastseduction.com/discussion ... 32&fid=173
Hope that helps.

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Late response to this, but thanks a ton Wolfwood. Your response precisely gets to the heart of my question. The married chick I was messing around with is a textbook freak by all that info, right down to the hoop earrings (mentioned in dogsoldier’s post you referenced).

I agree with you that I should want her as an LTR partner only if I’m up for the challenge, essentially forever…

A question I’m curious to ask you- what are the best ways to remain a challenge in a relationship with a good girl to keep her on her toes?


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This post is all about finding the right type.

Freaks, Hoes and Good Girls


Hopefully this is a recap for most of you. The theory has been around the community for a long time. I personally have found it to be very helpful when dealing with women. The main idea is that different types of girls want different things from their relationships. Most girls fall easily into one of these three categories. Guys should be able to figure out what type they are dealing with and act accordingly.

Good Girls - Girls who are happy in relationships when their significant other is happy. These girls will tend to go out of their way to do nice things for their guys: cook, clean, give them gifts, play out their sexual fantasies, etc. They are the easiest type to maintain a long term relationship with because they make it fairly easy for the guy.

Freaks
- Girls who are happy in relationships when they receive attention and strong emotional states. This is the type guys fall for the quickest, because they generally come off as very vulnerable. This type thrives on validation, both positive and negative. They cause a lot of drama, are more likely to cheat on you (sex is a form of validation), and usually have some form of daddy issues. These are also the type of women who tend to stay in abusive relationships. Guys, don’t get into serious relationships with these types of girls unless you really know what you’re doing. The way to make this work is for the guy to be able to inject a steady amount of drama into the relationship (or find some way to give her strong emotional states).

Hoes - Kind of self-explanatory. These girls are happiest when they are receiving material resources (money, gifts, etc) from guys. They are only interested in dating high-status guys or guys who show a willingness to buy them things. When you meet them, they will probably ask you about your job, what car you drive and/or where you live. They will relentlessly tool a guy over to get what they want. They’ll try to get you to pay for everything. The best way to have a long term relationship with a girl like this is to play the “pimp”. Don’t put up with any of that stuff.. Be clear that she’s going to have to pay for her crap if she wants any chance of seeing you. Be fine with her tooling over her orbiters or get her to tool over her orbiters for your benefit (I.e. send her up to the bar to get you free drinks from AFC‘s).

In conclusion, if you’re goal is an easy drama-free relationship, then stick to good girls. If you like a challenge and/or really know what you are doing, then try the other ones. However, you got to have great game to make it work with the other types. The freak’s petty drama and the ho’s attempts to tool you over for money are just forms of shit-tests. If you fail the shit tests, then these types will eat you alive (I learned this lesson the hard way, like most guys).

Low self-esteem vs. High self-esteem

Low self-esteem girls tend to sabotage their own relationships. They tend to assume other people think of them the same way they think about themselves. They tend to think you’re going to leave them eventually anyway so they will act out to test that theory. They do not make good long-term relationship candidates.

High drive vs. low drive


Don’t get into a long term relationship with somebody who has a lower sex drive than you do. It’s just not a good idea. Try to screen for people without sexual hang-ups. Personally, I would not consider a serious relationship with a girl who isn’t at least somewhat open-minded about sex. I also would not date somebody who would use sex as a bargaining chip.

RED FLAGS (I HAVE PERSONALLY ENCOUNTERED)

- History of drug abuse and or alcoholism
- history of poor decision making (like a long line of douche bag ex-boyfriends)
- seems to be in a constant state of crisis
- history of depression (un-medicated or not good at keeping up with the medication) or has a mother who’s mentally ill
- works as a stripper
- unwillingness to give and/or receive oral sex (I.e. has sexual hang-ups)
- history of past sexual abuse
- thinks masturbation is gross (opinions may vary on this one)
- Assumes you will pay for everything and/or disappears to the bathroom every time a check arrives.

EDIT: Some additions Richard Pryor listed, that I really liked:

- No friends
- Some form of obsessive compulsive disorder (OCD)
- Bad relationship with her parents, especially her father
- History of eating disorder (anorexia/bulimia)

I’m sure I can think of lot more if I tried. Be cautious when you see girls with these qualities.

In the future, when you ask a question on the forums about a particular situation, then it would help us if you let us know what kind of girl you are dating. For example, I am dating a high-drive, high self-esteem good girl. That should already tell you a lot about her personality. Incidentally, she’s pretty awesome and we don’t really ever have issues even after a year and four months.

EDIT 2: Further reading - Dogsoldier's fantastic post about Freaks, Hoes and Good Girls. The post focuses on how to spot the different types in a club scene and how to pick them up.

http://www.fastseduction.com/discussion ... 32&fid=173
Hope that helps.
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