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I keep getting LMR whenever I bring girls back to my place. This has happened at least 10 times already! What am I doing wrong?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 18, 2012 8:14 am 
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I have always had a bit of a problem with approach anxiety, however over the last few weeks I have been finding it easy to "not care wether i get rejected or not", this makes approach anxiety almost obsolete but im finding a new sticking point.

I have been approaching direct (in the day) so to confront my fear of rejection, and girls are responding pretty well. but from the opener... i get lost?!? where do i go from here? often i will approach and compliment a girl, she'll get nervous and giddy and then i dont know what to do so i push for the number too early or eject telling myself "good job for confronting your fear". naturally these interactions dont lead anywhwere.
this is my daygame, at night i have been trying whatever, dfloor game, direct, indirect, situational whatever. what is the better way to approach at night? because i feel like all guys are direct at night, how am i any different from the other houndred guys in the club? can someone link me to skills' dfloor thread.

lastly I wanna say that i live in a fairly small community (300thousand) its only an hour from sydney and a friend of mine lives down there so i have been going out with him once a week to practice night game, but i really do worry that i am going to run out of girls in my area and if ive used them all for practice who do i actually execute on once i have the skillset.

Thanks, Saftey.

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she'll get nervous and giddy and then i dont know what to do
this is actually what you want out of most of your direct approaches. Direct approaches tend to facilitate a short close when compared to indirect in which I normally have to hang in set longer to gain attraction. For direct I would make a false time constraint like "Ok I have to get out of here and meet my friends, but lets continue this conversation soon, whats your number?". if you are smooth after she gives you the nervous, demur, happy giggle you should be able to # close a good amount.

I would bet you are getting nervous after your direct opener, losing congruity, and then the target is comfortable in blowing you off or sidetracking you. Try to stay calm in set an close smoothly, as if you expect she will comply, and then she often will.


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i think part of the reason i feel awkward is because i have not rooted the opener (going back to mm haha) when i used to go indiorect i had a reason to be there right "the reason im asking is..." now im just there. how would you root a direct opener?

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direct-opener-getting-alot-of-rejection ... tml#657160

^ this can help you a bit

what kind of girl do you want safety?, what are you looking for in a girl?, what is your ideal situation you imagine with women in your head?

what is going through your head when you have already broken the ice and the girl knows you find her attractive physically?


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what kind of girl do you want safety?, what are you looking for in a girl?, what is your ideal situation you imagine with women in your head?
im not really looking for anything in particular, i mean obviously someone who is physically attractive, probably of similar social class. otherwise im looking for someone to sleep with, someone i get along with and would be able to create a few good memories with. I dont have a particular kind of relationship e.g. fwb girlfriend whatever in mind either whatever happens happens really.
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what is going through your head when you have already broken the ice and the girl knows you find her attractive physically?
that is when i start asking myself if i can see her as a part of my life? someone i can go on adventures with? someone i could hang out with and wouldnt be ashamed to introduce to my friends, someone id wanna put the effort in for?

i did some more direct game today, i am getting more comfortable with it and persistance is clearly helping (im two days into the 7 day challenge, this time consecutively), i read your other post and it all seems relevant but i am not having trouble with the reaction from the girl its more what i do after the opener. i just dont know where to go with it. what do you typically do after the opener? ask the girl about something? number close? see even now i cant think of what id say.

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what kind of girl do you want safety?, what are you looking for in a girl?, what is your ideal situation you imagine with women in your head?
im not really looking for anything in particular, i mean obviously someone who is physically attractive, probably of similar social class. otherwise im looking for someone to sleep with, someone i get along with and would be able to create a few good memories with. I dont have a particular kind of relationship e.g. fwb girlfriend whatever in mind either whatever happens happens really.
ok, so out of the recent girls you have spoken to, how much of ^ this could you tell me about these girls?? obviously you looked at the girls, so you can recall how cute they were, obviously you talked to the girl and got a sense of how cool she was, but what did you do exactly to feel out her sexuality?, how much could you tell me that actually relates to these women as people in regards to what you are looking for?, you don't have a clear relationship in mind? this is really surface level stuff man, you have to define more clearly what you are looking for or you will have trouble finding it with confidence, once you have a goal, you can pursue that goal with a focus, that focus towards the goal will make you much more assertive and confident in expressing your intentions, but you must be willing to express your intentions, directly from the source, free from the need of approval

if you can truly define yourself as a man, and say I'm safety, im a young dude, I like girls who are pretty, and kinda friendly, not too nerdy, and that's all I care about, if they have that going for them, then yah... i'll have sex with them, or date them, or.... friends with benefits would be nice, I don't care, anything will do really, I'll just take what ever I can get

^ how attractive do you think a woman will find a man who came from this frame?, coming into an interaction with this shaky lack of confidence in what you want makes you seem disingenuous, you want to show these girls you are real, you came to them, told them how you feel, you have already spoken to alot of girls and met and been with other girls, out of all the girls you could be talking to at that moment, you are talking to her, that girl gets your approval, your attention out of every possible girl that could get it at that moment she is special, she is what you want, as long as she stays true to remaining congruent with what you want, she gets that special attention, you could walk away at any moment if she fucks up and proves she wasn't actually what you wanted, but until then she is wanted, she is desired and accepted, all you have to do is just go for what you want, there is nothing more to it, she is interested, or she is not interested, if she is interested it is just a matter of staying congruent with your frame from the start and escalating as well as time and connection, other then that it's just logistics and turning her on

realize if you are confident within yourself, you know who you are, there is nothing more that you need from others, rather then seeking something from others, do what you want, and give to others by acting through your own intentions and bringing value to people, as long as you are unsure of who you are, you won't know what to do, or what to say, or how to act

because the answer is... your own way, any other way would be in-congruent for you
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what is going through your head when you have already broken the ice and the girl knows you find her attractive physically?
that is when i start asking myself if i can see her as a part of my life? someone i can go on adventures with? someone i could hang out with and wouldn't be ashamed to introduce to my friends, someone id wanna put the effort in for?

i did some more direct game today, i am getting more comfortable with it and persistence is clearly helping (im two days into the 7 day challenge, this time consecutively), i read your other post and it all seems relevant but i am not having trouble with the reaction from the girl its more what i do after the opener. i just don't know where to go with it. what do you typically do after the opener? ask the girl about something? number close? see even now i cant think of what id say.
in regards to using direct game, I have two thoughts about this situation, I'll tell you the first thought is intent, you are unclear about exactly what you want, if all you want is promiscuous unbiased sex with no ''qualifications'' around it other then a girl being physically attractive, with no expectational criteria around a type of relationship, then you are certainly not confidently expressing this congruently through your frame, it is more likely that this is in fact not congruent to what you actually want, but rather just neediness seeping through that you need to sort out and cut from your life, if you are feeling desperate for something that is missing from your life, realize it and do your best to emotionally deal with it, you are already good enough to get what you want, but you have to know who you are and what that is before you can stay true as yourself and express your intention towards getting what you want, if that was truly congruent to what you wanted, you would express this, either with your words or your actions, BE A DOER, NOT A HOW DO I DOER? don't worry about failure, trust me it will happen, but also trust me when I say if you continue just letting go of the outcome, and continue to push that anxiety, you will get what you want out of this, expression, freedom

the second thought is that you have to learn to enjoy your time hitting on girls, don't worry about success or failure, or good reaction/bad reaction, be aware of social feedback but don't stress over it, all that has to be said is what is in your head, you want to be fully congruent, if you are thinking, fuck I really have nothing to say, then just say that

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''well, I don't really know what to say now, sort of just saw you and thought durrrr pretty and that is about as far as it got''
*from this point something else will pop into your head to replace the thought you just cleared from your mind by expressing if not you are inhuman, ever try to stop thinking?*

just don't worry about it, there is no bar you have to lift above your head, just approaching is winning, do it more and more until you can find the fun in it, go for what you want and find entertainment in women and their silly lovable little quirks, if it is enjoyable for you, then it will become enjoyable for others

but on a side note, since you seem to be getting girls that are compliant (or at least you didn't mention problems with non-compliance), then you should be focusing on escalation, practice your compliance building skill set, practice your ability to lead, throw a couple sets out, allow yourself to go in with the objective of failure with the parameters of success revolving around your ability to learn something new, how far have you taken it before?, how far could you push yourself?, how honest have you been in the past? could you be more bluntly honest?, and after all this reflect, what did you enjoy, what did you not enjoy

^ and this can be a tough sticking point, I know closing can be really tough when you have girls doing all sorts of weird shit first time around come alone time, and you are not feeling fully stable for some reason


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Im not going to sidetrack Pump's thoughts, as usual, he is giving you valuable and deep information so ill just add some more superficial points.
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i have not rooted the opener
Its not usual in which you are going to get confirmed interest and IoI's without coming in with inherent social value or great looks. So waiting for this positive feedback isn't a viable que you want to wait on.

ASSUME attraction unless she is clearly making the counter-case. If you wait around for an unambiguous positive response, your often going to squander most of your opportunities. A direct opener only normally works with a strong leading frame, you cant go in strong and come through weak, which appears to be what you are doing.


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I have been approaching direct (in the day) so to confront my fear of rejection, and girls are responding pretty well. but from the opener... i get lost?!? where do i go from here? often i will approach and compliment a girl, she'll get nervous and giddy and then i dont know what to do so i push for the number too early or eject telling myself "good job for confronting your fear". naturally these interactions dont lead anywhwere.
Its time to move beyond moral victories just for approaching a girl. You know some teams feel good about just playing other teams feel good about playing well and other teams feel good about winning. Now you need to focus on your preparation and memorize your words after the opener and focus more on demonstrating value than getting a number. Demonstrate value, demonstrate value, demonstrate value then the rest will take care of itself...


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if you can truly define yourself as a man, and say I'm safety, im a young dude, I like girls who are pretty, and kinda friendly, not too nerdy, and that's all I care about, if they have that going for them, then yah... i'll have sex with them, or date them, or.... friends with benefits would be nice, I don't care, anything will do really, I'll just take what ever I can get

^ how attractive do you think a woman will find a man who came from this frame?,
ok being completely honest with myself, what i want is: a girl whom i can call my regular girl, she has to be pretty, i prefer cute girls to hot ones and she has to have a lifestyle similar to mine, i wanna hang out with this girl maybe 2-4 times a week, obviously we will have sex and while i will continue sarging it will really only be as a matter of practice in order to get better at the skill as opposed to trying to fill a gap. so she is welcome to have other guys in her life but i will be her main guy.
she has to be up for experience too as in going out and doing shit like exploring abandoned buildings or seeing a play or whatever and not just wanna sit at home and watch movies.

im starting to see what you have been preaching to me for months, i understand it but i also can see in myself as i become more confident and do the things that i truly want to do and not what i think people want me to do. so i definately know what your saying and i feel if i can push myself further i am going to really get into this as something i enjoy. i feel like im on the brink of a breakthrough and i just need to push it a little further. its sort of freeing.

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Ok so pump I have a question for you:
On the weekend I went to Sydney and I think I would have easily done about 30+ approaches (all night game) and the only ones that came off well were the ones where I was being as honest and sincere as possible. So I am stuck because what I am looking for (see post above) is a pretty high quality girl IMO but those are the girls I am nervous approaching an feel I need to practice before chasing, but I can't be honest with girls that I am practicing on because deep down all I want from them is practice.

With my game I'd like to get to a point where I could approach a girl I'd consider worthy of me and be completely honest with the interaction IN a direct manner. If she rejects my advances then oh well I tried if not then I'm gold. But how do I get the practice if I can't be sincere with girls I consider unworthy whom I would typically practice on. The girls I consider worthy I probably see one a day. Maybe. Should I only practice on those girls?

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