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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 3:57 am 
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Well let me start off by saying I've found a little niche that works for me a bit is that I've found out I happen to be a somewhat talented singer (I won't say great, I don't do well with high notes I'm a natural baritone/bass) I've come to find out over the last year or so (I'm 33 btw), so these days I've been going out a few times a week and doing karaoke, and I have a lot better results in talking to women than I've had with online dating or just going to bars/clubs in general.

Pulling some Frank Sinatra will get me some cheers from women in the bar, but you know, that's very old fashioned and conveys the wrong message.

Now, I'll tell you that I've done some stupid shit at places like rapping Eminem and Lil Jon & the Eastside Boyz (not kidding you) that will get me shitcanned forever at those places because all the regular girls at those places build a social clique and well, you get the idea, it makes it a hard uphill battle once you've acted like a child. So...

LESSON LEARNED gents, the boy has touched the stove and is ready to become a man.

I could use a few suggestions first off for some good songs that convey alpha without conveying douchebag, and convey sexuality while maintaining a sense of subtlety, I think that's a good start. Growing up I thought Michael Hutchence pretty much was king but that doesn't really work (I've tried doing some INXS haha).

Anyway though, moving on to shit I'm doing wrong... I'll just go through some recent scenarios that haven't turned out so well.

So last night this one Hispanic girl I met one night at karaoke a few months ago was on my Facebook, and I did a completely beta thing when she posted on her FB yesterday for someone to help with her math homework. Yeah get ready to laugh, I messaged her volunteering to help because I've actually done GED math tutoring before at a homeless shelter. So... she told me at first she was going to get her sister to help. Then, the sister couldn't help, so had me come over and we went through her stuff. She went on and on about this ex-b/f that she just supposedly broke things off with, and dropped a whole bunch of emotional baggage on me, then I excused myself for the evening after we were done, she kissed me on the cheek and promised me a back massage (she used to be a massage therapist) the next time. "Meh" I thought in my mind, I didn't really have any expectation there, I was just kind of doing my good deed.

She just texted me a minute ago asking me if I'm available on Sunday and I haven't responded yet and I'm not sure that I want to because I'm obviously f-zoned at this point and have stopped giving a fuck because I don't want to be abused for math help. Lesson learned lol.

So then continuing on along... Tuesday I was at another place here locally. I had some ugly ass old woman come hit on me asking why I wasn't smiling then started talking to me, and her somewhat cute friend came up and we were talking for a minute. I did a dumbass thing though when she started talking singing I let it slip that I'd won a few local contests for WHATEVER STUPID EGO DRIVEN MALE REASON and she stopped talking to me.

So... I go upstairs to play some pool there's this girl sitting there who was a nurse over at a local hospital we played a game and got to talking. I did k-close her but she told me she doesn't go home with guys from bars and "maybe she'll see me next week" (I'm not really banking on that one but whatever).

I'm getting to the real problem here now.

Lately, this includes my high school reunion too, if I'm dressed nice (slacks, button up, blazer, nice shoes), I get hit on by married women and they'll initiate conversation with me UNTIL I ask them what they'd like to drink and then they tell me they're married, and I usually bail after that because I don't really like the idea of going home with a married woman. Relationship? Maybe, but not married. Problem is, I'm 33, I'm having trouble finding women who AREN'T taken.

Other thing too I met this one girl online who smoked me out and we fucked like crazy I still have the rugburn scars on my knees, but the third time I saw her she asked me to tell her I love her and I did being a dumbass and then it was over in a blink after that. She was already making plans with other guys so I just stopped talking to her.

This chick tonight on POF sent me a message and did the "How are you" bit we talked for a few messages and very dumbassedly I invited her out to karaoke over the weekend then no response from her.

So right now I see a few big challenges/opportunities I'm dealing with here...

1) Tone down the fucking ego.
2) Maybe dress down a bit or no?
3) Don't be so quick to try and close on shit because it intimidates people. I'm obviously doing something wrong there because I've only had sex with like 12 women but maybe k-closed something like 20 more than that and after the k-close it's done. I know that I need to be more talkative and full of fluff because I tend to be on the antisocial/creative end. I've never had a problem with looks women tell me I look like James Bond but I have a problem with game.
4) My texting game needs a hell of a lot of work.
5) Oh yeah and anything that might turn around this Hispanic girl into a booty call would be nice she's got some nice ass and boobs I'd maybe hit it once or twice but she's crazy as fuck I can already tell. Maybe I just need to stay away from that one altogether.
6) This is a shitty one here I can't get my friends to go and do karaoke with me all they want to do is drink at lame bars and talk sports. I need SOMEHOW to get some good wingmen who are serious like I am. Even my old fraternity brothers are all married and none of them go out, that was a big waste of money in college.

Think that about does it for now. Help is definitely appreciated.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 8:41 am 
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Well let me start off by saying I've found a little niche that works for me a bit is that I've found out I happen to be a somewhat talented singer (I won't say great, I don't do well with high notes I'm a natural baritone/bass) I've come to find out over the last year or so (I'm 33 btw), so these days I've been going out a few times a week and doing karaoke, and I have a lot better results in talking to women than I've had with online dating or just going to bars/clubs in general.

Pulling some Frank Sinatra will get me some cheers from women in the bar, but you know, that's very old fashioned and conveys the wrong message.

Now, I'll tell you that I've done some stupid shit at places like rapping Eminem and Lil Jon & the Eastside Boyz (not kidding you) that will get me shitcanned forever at those places because all the regular girls at those places build a social clique and well, you get the idea, it makes it a hard uphill battle once you've acted like a child. So...

LESSON LEARNED gents, the boy has touched the stove and is ready to become a man.

I could use a few suggestions first off for some good songs that convey alpha without conveying douchebag, and convey sexuality while maintaining a sense of subtlety, I think that's a good start. Growing up I thought Michael Hutchence pretty much was king but that doesn't really work (I've tried doing some INXS haha).

Anyway though, moving on to shit I'm doing wrong... I'll just go through some recent scenarios that haven't turned out so well.

So last night this one Hispanic girl I met one night at karaoke a few months ago was on my Facebook, and I did a completely beta thing when she posted on her FB yesterday for someone to help with her math homework. Yeah get ready to laugh, I messaged her volunteering to help because I've actually done GED math tutoring before at a homeless shelter. So... she told me at first she was going to get her sister to help. Then, the sister couldn't help, so had me come over and we went through her stuff. She went on and on about this ex-b/f that she just supposedly broke things off with, and dropped a whole bunch of emotional baggage on me, then I excused myself for the evening after we were done, she kissed me on the cheek and promised me a back massage (she used to be a massage therapist) the next time. "Meh" I thought in my mind, I didn't really have any expectation there, I was just kind of doing my good deed.

She just texted me a minute ago asking me if I'm available on Sunday and I haven't responded yet and I'm not sure that I want to because I'm obviously f-zoned at this point and have stopped giving a fuck because I don't want to be abused for math help. Lesson learned lol.

So then continuing on along... Tuesday I was at another place here locally. I had some ugly ass old woman come hit on me asking why I wasn't smiling then started talking to me, and her somewhat cute friend came up and we were talking for a minute. I did a dumbass thing though when she started talking singing I let it slip that I'd won a few local contests for WHATEVER STUPID EGO DRIVEN MALE REASON and she stopped talking to me.

So... I go upstairs to play some pool there's this girl sitting there who was a nurse over at a local hospital we played a game and got to talking. I did k-close her but she told me she doesn't go home with guys from bars and "maybe she'll see me next week" (I'm not really banking on that one but whatever).

I'm getting to the real problem here now.

Lately, this includes my high school reunion too, if I'm dressed nice (slacks, button up, blazer, nice shoes), I get hit on by married women and they'll initiate conversation with me UNTIL I ask them what they'd like to drink and then they tell me they're married, and I usually bail after that because I don't really like the idea of going home with a married woman. Relationship? Maybe, but not married. Problem is, I'm 33, I'm having trouble finding women who AREN'T taken.

Other thing too I met this one girl online who smoked me out and we fucked like crazy I still have the rugburn scars on my knees, but the third time I saw her she asked me to tell her I love her and I did being a dumbass and then it was over in a blink after that. She was already making plans with other guys so I just stopped talking to her.

This chick tonight on POF sent me a message and did the "How are you" bit we talked for a few messages and very dumbassedly I invited her out to karaoke over the weekend then no response from her.

So right now I see a few big challenges/opportunities I'm dealing with here...

1) Tone down the fucking ego.
2) Maybe dress down a bit or no?
3) Don't be so quick to try and close on shit because it intimidates people. I'm obviously doing something wrong there because I've only had sex with like 12 women but maybe k-closed something like 20 more than that and after the k-close it's done. I know that I need to be more talkative and full of fluff because I tend to be on the antisocial/creative end. I've never had a problem with looks women tell me I look like James Bond but I have a problem with game.
4) My texting game needs a hell of a lot of work.
5) Oh yeah and anything that might turn around this Hispanic girl into a booty call would be nice she's got some nice ass and boobs I'd maybe hit it once or twice but she's crazy as fuck I can already tell. Maybe I just need to stay away from that one altogether.
6) This is a shitty one here I can't get my friends to go and do karaoke with me all they want to do is drink at lame bars and talk sports. I need SOMEHOW to get some good wingmen who are serious like I am. Even my old fraternity brothers are all married and none of them go out, that was a big waste of money in college.

Think that about does it for now. Help is definitely appreciated.
in all fairness, that wasn't really a good deed, was it?


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2012 1:51 pm 
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in all fairness, that wasn't really a good deed, was it?
You know, I can look objectively at it all and say I agree with you. I still helped her with the homework though, but I don't like being taken advantage of, I think it's the texting me and asking if I'm available Sunday night when I have to work Monday morning (and have an early meeting) that set me off, otherwise I guess I wouldn't have a problem so I messaged her this morning asking if we could do it at an earlier time. Turning this back around though, most women know when you're attracted to them and some of the, excuse me, bitches I've met in my day, will take full advantage of that which is not cool.


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in all fairness, that wasn't really a good deed, was it?
You know, I can look objectively at it all and say I agree with you. I still helped her with the homework though, but I don't like being taken advantage of, I think it's the texting me and asking if I'm available Sunday night when I have to work Monday morning (and have an early meeting) that set me off, otherwise I guess I wouldn't have a problem so I messaged her this morning asking if we could do it at an earlier time. Turning this back around though, most women know when you're attracted to them and some of the, excuse me, bitches I've met in my day, will take full advantage of that which is not cool.
Is it possible to be taken advantage of when you know how to play the game?


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in all fairness, that wasn't really a good deed, was it?
You know, I can look objectively at it all and say I agree with you. I still helped her with the homework though, but I don't like being taken advantage of, I think it's the texting me and asking if I'm available Sunday night when I have to work Monday morning (and have an early meeting) that set me off, otherwise I guess I wouldn't have a problem so I messaged her this morning asking if we could do it at an earlier time. Turning this back around though, most women know when you're attracted to them and some of the, excuse me, bitches I've met in my day, will take full advantage of that which is not cool.
Is it possible to be taken advantage of when you know how to play the game?
That's a fairly profound statement but I lack the confidence in my game to call myself a true PUA, but I feel that I'm ready to learn.


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