Texting is underrated by a few of you guys, if you do it right than it should be an ongoing conversation, flirting really, and reminding her of why she is attracted (inside joke, what you guys laughed about, something you guys had in common) http://showyourmind.wordpress.com/2012/ ... ok-part-1/ . My attraction building has to do with flirting, joking, basically making them smile and feel good. You can make her smile and best of all you can do it whenever you feel like it. You can respond whenever you want. That is why texting can be good, but it lacks some humanness so you need to learn a little text game so you know how to get responses.

Now I'm not someone who is all about text first call last, it is very important to remember that you are looking to land in her comfort zone when you communicate, make a judgement call on whether she would prefer either route. For a lot of woman texting merely builds comfort communicating and you can call her after a day or two if you communicate quickly enough and build comfort.

Some girls will not pick up there phone, but will text. I knew a girl that had it as her message to just text her. Texting gives you the ability to talk through out a day and even build sexual tension to fuck that night. Even let you continue a conversation after you get home from the bar to perhaps create a same night rendezvous.

I've also called shy girls that froze up over the phone and were uncomfortable so the only answer you could get from her was no or nothing. Yeah I joked and tried but she was very shy. When I texted her she was all over it, very responsive and joked a bit more. So you use it to get them more comfortable just interacting with you in some cases. So I strongly believe texting should be a part of your tool cabinet.

Should it be your only form of communication? NO, that is a cop out, you need to make contact with her in way you know she will respond. Some women don't respond to texts, some don't pick up phone calls. Finding out is as simple as saying call or text? She'll let you know what she prefers if you built enough attraction, if not she won't pick up or text back so you are boned anyways.

Texting also allows you to send out little hooks to see if you can get her back(old numbers) every other week or so, it's not big deal and sending out some stupid or funny line can get a girl to remember you. If she got a boyfriend she might not be answering but if she broke up she'll start texting back.

Note: I use to hate texting, I was the last of my friends to take it on. I figured if I wanted to talk them I'd call but I had to realize this is nothing more than another tool.

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Would like to hear more, what is an example of good hook?

Hey I agree that you should build a connection before and that most of the work should be done before you get the number. I'm even all about face to face encounters. I agree with a lot of what you said, I see where you are coming from but men text while boys text weak ass shit(AFC style). I agree with that. GROW UP, seriously your attitude is disappointing. Realize this technology is increasing it's up to you to either adapt or fall behind. Do whatever you want but don't say this bullshit texting is for teenagers. Hell my over 45 year old dad texts, why? Because he recognizes as a tool nothing more nothing less.

Also important to realize sometimes we get the number while the attraction exists but not when a connection is built simply because we had to go. This is another time where texting maybe more comfortable for her and thus more efficient.

There are situations where you go on vacation or she does. Perhaps you can't meet in person for a couple weeks, though it's impersonal, it allows you to maintain an interaction over an extended period of time. I'm not going to call a woman every couple of days over a couple of weeks but texting her to set something up when available and is easy. If you don't contact a woman for 2 weeks you almost always burned the number, this allows for contact and keeps you from avoiding contact until you can meet her.

Get over yourself, be a man. Men admit technology is changing and adjust, if you want to be an old man go ahead and not adjust.

If you see texting as hiding behind your phone than you haven't met some of the women I have. Some just won't pick up the phone, hell some text back saying at work or they don't call. It shouldn't have anything to do with hiding, the way you see it is just outright disappointing.

LOL walk up to 1000 girls? I like you practice warm approaches and efficient game hence the point of getting good at text game.

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The mark of a true pick up artist is to be diverse, to have game in all aspects of communication. To be able to seduce a woman in any way, in person, online, through the phone and in text, through unconscious and conscious ways.
Exactly, this is what girls and women do with each other, they also share their emotions and discuss sexuality on the reg with one another. They have become extremely comfortable with this form of communication, why not evolve to their comfort, the key to any seduction is getting into the women's mind and into her world, her thought process. Without proper game first, ie: first encounter, one cannot do a text seduction successfully regardless. There is never a this or that, in person or in text it is all one in the same it is just an extension of the seduction. Texting is just a form of communication and if used correctly, can be a efficient tool to analyze your prospective target. Just as any form of communication would be.

In other words, if your game is not SUPER TIGHT in the first place, then you are not going to be able to get much info out of them in any form of communication, not even in person. The point is, be efficient in ALL FORMS of communication and seduction.
It's girls who we are picking up and seducing, not guys. Understanding and adapting to your target is essential to becoming the most efficient seducer you can be.

If your game is SUPER TIGHT and you understand the psychology of women, you can send specific and key words and phrases to women via text that can manipulate key responses and trigger the sexual thought process of a woman.

This can be done in person as well but lets say you set up a day 2, what happens when you do this in person and you don't get the appropriate seduction cue's to progress, what happens when you get the girl over for dinner and start to make out and she tells you she is on her period, or doesn't really want to put out, cuz she's not that kind of girl. Or she has sexual intimacy issues and doesn't feel comfortable. Or she had daddy isssues. ETC ETC ETC.

You just wasted your entire evening, working on a girl that's not even going to put out. no sex=failed seduction in my books and time wasted.

What do you do then? Stick it out, keep trying, waste the rest of the night. Tell you what I would do. I'd be in the bathroom TEXTING my next potential target, ensuring our encounter will be sexual and getting her to come over in an hour. All while planning an exit plan with the current dead weight in my living room.

Had you used any type of communication prior to open up your target sexually and get a better idea of where she stood, this type of "time waste" could of been avoided.

(15 years ago, this was done via the phone call, present time, " texting is the most common form of communication among women)

Last time I checked, I was a real man. I seduce women at will, I use all forms of communication to do this, text, phone, in person.....etc etc.

Real men may not text, but real players and seduction artists adapt, they use all tools available and become extremely efficient in all forms of seduction and communication.

I have no problem seducing a woman face-face, I love it and have done it for many many years, I have also adapted to seducing women through phone calls, online instant messaging and texting.

When they come out with hologram instant messaging, I will become efficient in hologram seduction.

Adapt or die.

Phangan it's one thing to have your own beliefs and standards when it comes to seducing women, it's another to be stubborn and limit yourself as well. You don't have to use "TEXTING" in your game, and one can still be successful at seducing women without it. I've done that for years.

But to insult others,just because they use different seduction tools and techniques is limiting yourself and is not indicative of the ever adapting seduction artist.

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ok so i need to become phagan to be a real man... dude come on, you trolling me now... What if i do not want any of that(which i have done most of the things you described including about 4 languages), but i did not do it at 21-22 and who the hell wants to run a company and the responsibilities that young, i was running around girls at the mall... Dude...If you hate text game and you think is weak, fine, do not do it, chief, 60 yoc etc... agree with you... But as i said before there are many ways to put pipi in warm whole, do you... But to insult or think it does not work, is just a bit ignorant... with that being said, good debate...

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It's really just stupid personal lines, an inside joke, something. Women know I joke a lot so my conversations are rarely serious, this means I avoid LOL, lmao, and all that other bs. Not big on emoticons either.

If you poked fun at her shoes or some apparel you can send something like:

"Just seen the ugliest pair of shoes on this women, reminded me of you."

"Seen this lady with the ugliest scarf, thought of your ugly scarf."

On the other side of it you can send in compliments as well.

"Seen the most bitchen pair of kicks today, they looked like that pair you were wearing."

Random

"Totally thought this other broad was you, and went to talk to you. Lady gave me the weirdest look."

"You remember that pair of ugly ass shoes we seen on that chick, just topped them."

"Just seen that one dude at the bar last night that was hitting on you with no game. He's at it again..."

Your goal is to make it natural why she came to mind, no big deal. Easy to respond because it's just a whatever comment. At the same time she isn't ignoring you because there is no question. Kind of an open ended easy to respond to comment.

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Dude come on man... I'm trying to make a general point here, for guys to be more direct, real communication, real life interaction face to face. Text can be a tool but when I see products like "Magnet Messaging $47" (magneticmessaging.com/TNA) then I call "bullshit" on it and want people to think twice before they go into a 35 messages back and forth flirt with some chick they number closed in some party. I'm saying get good at face to face game so you don't need to do "text game" at all. Not YOU specifically, I'm making a general statement here - as in this should be a core value for any guy. I'm sure you know what I mean and that you agree with me on at least some level bro, the last thing I wanted to do is insult someone.

I swear god, between starting this post and finishing it, I number closed a girl, we're sitting in a coffee shop. I have no AA anymore, if a girl smiles at me even for a split second - I GO IN. I didn't get like this from texting but from going out every day (almost) for the past year... that's all I'm saying.

Edit - she keeps looking at me and smiling... trying to eat and it's really disturbing. What I did here is elicit an invite. This girl, I looked at her and turned my face to the side, opened my eyes real wide and smiled. She gave me a little smile, then a minute later I did it again and she started laughing, so I stood up and went over, and she offered me to take us out tonight here. (we're in a place called Sevastapol, it's in Crimea, super nice town) anyway.... you ALL get my point here.

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Just been to an old secret Russian nuclear submarine base.. super cool.
Look buddy, what you're doing is great and obviously working, so I'm not going to argue with you. But from a theoretical point of view - I prefer to suck girls into MY world rather than let them lead me into their world, in this case their form of communication.

You don't feel that sitting there with a small phone typing on a little keyboard silly funny lines is not very manly? A girl should have long texting conversations with her girlfriends, not with me. In her mind I shouldn't be associated with any of that. She should think of me as a busy man who doesn't have time to sit around texting her funny lines or sending her cute emoticons. I'm a man goddammit, not a girlfriend.

There are many times when you can convert "flaky" numbers better with what you'd call "good text game" but what I aim for is getting "solid enough" numbers so that won't be necessary.

When someone is at your level, banging 4 chicks a week, he can do whatever he wants... But someone who is just starting shouldn't view "learning text game" as some skill that he needs to master, not to mention spend $47 on it. "text game" should be at the very bottom of the list. It's a synthetic feminine form of communication.

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Way too cool. Ya izuchil Russkij yazyk okolo dvadsat' let tomu nazad', mnogo zabyl', tozhe......
OK, point taken - BUT... I do feel rather manly when my pelvic bone is bruised from pounding her pussy for a solid hour. So I take the good with that bad.

I get your point. Incessant texting sucks ass. When I hit a text to a chick and she responds with 5... it's annoying as hell. But When I can spend 30 seconds an hour or so to build sexual chemistry to actually meet her soon thereafter, I'll do it.

Cheers.

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This makes some sense as well. I think both sides are right, there are jus ttwo differet styles, both work.

Exactly. After reading that statement from phangan I realized I was investing too much time texting. I will keep texts/chats short and use them only to set up meets or to keep building comfort and sexual tension (moderately). Started yesterday with an HB9 I had #closed the day before. Moderation is the key, I got sucked in a bit with the fucking chatting and it makes you lose control of the frame (though I am good at the text/chat thing). I told her I had to go do work stuff cause we had already set up a future meet.

Once I'm in, I'm gonna treat 'em like I did my ex LTR GF, which was almost NO contact all day, just coordination - and she wanted to marry me.

Great thread, great learning.

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I feel that texting is a good tool and should be utilized. What I've learned and what I see my friends do or other guys do is text too much.

First, I believe that you should not answer a woman's text 5 seconds after receiving it. I think it makes a guy look needy and unimportant if he answers a text or message right away, like you have nothing better to do.

Second, I don’t think a man should go back and forth with a woman 200 texts a day. Same principal as in my first explanation, man looks needy and unimportant.

What I always tend to do to show "Alpha" or show that you are important is wait a few hours and text her. But I believe that the most important thing is to try and always act busy, important and mysterious. Like you are doing them a favor by texting them.

Lastly, I am never the last person to text. I always let the woman be the last person to text. This makes it seem like you don’t really care to much, that you are not needy and you are busy/important Alpha. I believe texting can be used as a powerful tool, especially for sexual tension.

But I respect the people that don’t like to use it. Not texting can really show that this person is to important or too busy to text.

Being gimmicky is not gonna give you result with text messaging, if you re-read what sexaddict posted is the right way to do text game...

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Texting should be done in the correct volume. Don't over do it, don't under do it.

Always remember with humans there will be exceptions. Don't text 5 seconds later unless you are meeting her (well a little more instant) and she is trying to find you (meeting in a club texting is key because of noise). At the same time hrs could be a horrible tactic, my thoughts are twice as long as her with exceptions of course (if she texts me the next day I don't always text her back 2 days late).

200 texts should be at best how many you do a week (hell even a month sometimes), not to one person. I've been defending texting but everything has it's limits.

Priorities of your texting:

Avoid caring as much as she does through out the texts.
Make her smile/Flirting (maintain/build attraction).
Build some sexual tension.
Get the meet up.

Other thoughts are SexAddicts thoughts, getting to sex faster and screening your phone list.

TEXTING SHOULDN'T BE YOUR PRIORITY FORM OF COMMUNICATION. You communicate in a way that gets a response, whether that is a phone call or text. Whether I text or call depends on the target not my preference.

I will say this I text because I'm busy, calling requires more time than I have. I can communicate at my convenience. When I hear things like Phangan's well I'm a busy guy, no time bla bla bla, calls take too much time. How many texts does it take to get a meet up? 20 should be more than sufficient. This allows you flirt and maintain attraction, build some sexual tension, and arrange for the meet up. When you look at it 20 texts takes like 10 minutes (plus spread through out a day), a phone call for a meet up takes a similar amount of time. Sometimes more.

The work(attraction/connection/sexual tension) should definitely be done by the time you get the number but that doesn't mean you can't use another tool in your cabinet.

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This is really very advanced. I was talking about guys who go on prolonged "trying to be witty" conversations, texting stuff like "congratulations!" "what for?" "I was thinking about you. Congratulations!" and such nonsense.

What you are talking about is very interesting... and I have an example of how I could have used it just two days ago. The girl I number closed at the coffeeshop, which I mentioned above - I met her that night and it was more or less a waste of time. She turned out to be much more conservative than I thought she would be. When I first saw her she was wearing a dress with a very deep cleavage (she had awesome tits), her smile was very inviting, I came over and she was very warm. We spoke and it was seriously "on" and then after a few hours she was the one who contacted me first to set up the meeting.

She knew I was leaving the next day so for me it was clear that it's going to be one of those "dates" which end up in me taking the girl into a hotel (like here http://vanofvictory.com/lithuanian-flag-captured/ here http://vanofvictory.com/three-crazy-nights-in-riga/ and here http://vanofvictory.com/instant-date-instant-pull/) . So we met, spoke for about 2 hours, had two glasses of wine each. She had to wake up the next day at 8 am so I knew she couldn't stay up too late.

And yet - 30 minutes into our meeting - I already knew I wouldn't be able to close her that night. How did I know it? Small things... how she was holding my hand, how later she didn't want to go into the van to have more drinks.... I could just feel it.

She wasn't the kind of girl who would do it on the first date or I fucked it up somehow but it's hard for me to believe that it was a fuck up. We ended up going to a club together and luckily because she had to wake up early (and I turned a little cold towards her... that helped) she left at 1 am and I could open more sets (two makeouts that night... but nothing more) She contacted me the next day to check if I really left (I didn't answer) and today again to ask me where I am and how I was doing.

So here for example I could have tried to gauge her sexual openness by text and save time but I didn't think I had to, due to our first meeting. And I'm almost never wrong on these things.

In the Riga case I did use text to gauge the girl sexually. I tried to make her invite me over to her place so she could cook for me, or so we could "watch a movie together". Her reply was: "I don't have a DVD but thats not the biggest problem, cause as i said - I don't live alone "

This for me was a sign that she understands that our meeting is going to be sexual, so I knew the meeting will NOT be a waste of time, and indeed it wasn't. This wasn't my aim... I really DID want her to invite me over because I thought it would be cool to see how a local girl lives, but in the process I also screened her for being DTF.

But I don't usually do this and I feel that this could also be risky because it could put a girl off from meeting . For example a few times when I asked girls in a club "do you live alone?" I could feel that the question turned them off a little.. but maybe it was good because it saved me time on someone who wouldn't be down to fuck anyway.

So, SA911... if you have examples of how you gauge your potential target sexually, without risking fucking up the situation by doing so, I would love to hear them. Do you suggest I do this with EVERY girl I number close?

So bottom line - "advanced text game" to screen sexually = yes. "text game" to turn a flaky number into a meeting... ok too. But long bullshit conversations to demonstrate that you are funny or anything like that = no fucking way.

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