I think it's different for everyone. I don't do mystery method, but I do appreciate an indirect approach. It fits with my vibe of not giving a fuck, and being generally unimpressed by people. I've tried to be more direct, but it usually backfires for me, because now I'm chasing instead of setting myself up to be chased.

I can see how warmer people might think mystery method is bullshit. Acting disinterested could easily put them in the friend zone. Telling a girl they're gorgeous up front, that can exude confidence and sexuality. When I do it, I feel like I'm SPAM my power, so I don't do it.

One of the stupidest things about this forum is the number of people who say "no, your way is bullshit, my way is the best". People are different. That's it. There's a few wrong ways to do it, and just as many right ways. Find yours.

I'm obviously not saying THIS IS THE ONLY METHOD...but personally do what you feel is right FOR YOU. For me, personally and in my experience with a lot of extroverts / "Warm people" this approach felt fucking circusy at best. For a lot of guys that are congruent to that attitude of "fuckk thatt shit" or the introverted hard-ass people you see such as guys wearing hats, or the stereotypical gangster type dude with the hot chick in a social circle, this game works a lot well.

From a stranger approach, this is fucking ridiculously tough to pull off disinterest. In a social circle, I can see it making sense...but even then I feel its relatively low risk low reward.

10K people are now more wiser.

bumping this since people cant see it...how this is possible is beyond me

Bump for green midgets

Alot of the rating women do is subconcious. Women are known to be sticklers the way a guy dresses because when a guy dresses right, it stimulates a part of her brain that thinks of a man who is capable of providing for her.

Same thing with looks. If he's handsome and healthy, he should provide good genes for her offspring.

Most of it takes place below her conscious thinking, she just thinks she likes how he's dressed, or he's handsome, but theres a bigger reason.

And of course, there are social reasons, not just survival reasons. Women dont want people staring at her and her boyfriend wondering why them two are together, which i do every time I see a mismatch.

And their ability to pull better looking guys is helped by dating other good looking guys.

In other words her value goes up or down by who she dates.

Us guys think we are the only one's with value concerns. Women are trying to increase their value as well. Thats why they are always dieting, and working out.

They dont want to give up any status they might have in the social world.

Why Race Matters:

A study done by OKCupid and Columbia University:

http://blog.okcupid.com/index.php/your- ... -you-back/

More to come regarding actual logistical encounters with some very HOT women

I must say this is very interesting reading. It brings another aspect into it - namely the core man feeling.

I have read both your threads and have come to the conclusion that what it really takes is to man up and show balls, and just be yourself in the purest manly way as possible - which basically means a steady stair of escalation through your pick up. And if you are lucky, the girl will rate you high enough to lay low with you.Am I wrong? But is that all it takes? Would it not also be important to be able to bring up a good conversation going and use it side by side with escalation? And if so, do you have any inner-game advice as to the remix of seuduction through a remix of escalation and conversation?

We are all children of the Evolution. Our brains are hardwired to make assumptions about what's going on in our environment. Remember our prehistoric ancestors' tribe under attack: they need to quickly understand what's going on.

Our primitive brain can give us a assumption on a situation by studiing non verbal communication: status, age, race, look,... That's what the community calls "the Frame".

Within 3-30sec, a girl is unconsciously assessing you: that's what we call "first impression" and when her brain is scanning you, she already "knows" that you can be a potential mate or not. Girls are social creatures and social value are the most important: she looks for a HV man and don't want to low her social value (ASD, bitch shield, don't date a black man if her family is kind of racist,...)

Remember "Attraction isn't a choice"

Dear Hawkar and all readers,

More info to come. Hawkar, you nailed the point of this post. The reality is that for some girls, you are a hell no despite the amazing conversation in terms of even a one night stand (unless she is drunk) let alone a long term relationship. These are all based also on the fact of her upbringing, religion, family and billions of other bullshit that we as man cannot figure out,

I consider "good conversation" to scientifically be a relative thing since people consider different conversations "good" One girl I dated was fascinated by pick up and another I dated considered a good conversation anything about space and random universal shit. One girl loved the fact that half of the conversation had cussing, and one girl broke up with me because I simply said "fucking" too much.

There is only one truth: a woman that likes a man will not ignore him, will not shit test him (at least not consciously) and will return his calls. This is a UNIVERSAL TRUTH unless she is playing games, in which case she doesn't give a shit about joe schmoe anyways.

For once I comment in one of your threads, because it speaks core truths, and also your ego isn't blown out of proportion here

Nice post.

The Racist

One of my exgirlfriends was simply a racist. The first time I went to her, she said "I don't date terrorists." Now according to most people...this is something any and all guys would walk away from. Background on me, I have brown skin but I'm not even middle eastern, it has been mentioned in a few topics. Instead, I do realize thanks to the high grossing success of Hollywood mainstreams such as Harold and Kumar and Slumdog Millionaire, I now am attributed to Hollywood fame in some way. Amazing. In any case, I realize every girl is different on the approach but this girl was fucked up right? I had my hand out still and most would have seriously walked away but I just laughed and then hugged her (probably unwarranted and open to sexual harrasment claims). Instead she started laughing and said "what the fuck is wrong with you dude" (she was fairly hot. I am refraining from putting up pictures here but some men have seen her via SPAM). In any case, this was a girl that for a strong reason, despite my "persistence" (which was little), said that she grew up in an Army household, so "brownies" were a no-no. But then she told me immediately in barely some social conversation how this turned her on. So...she got with me for the pure fact that I was some forbidden brownie. This is 1 example of where looks/race had a lot to do with this SPECIFIC (every girl is different) type of girl. Now even though she ended up with me, she told me straight up after sex that it was going to nowhereinhell land and she would not tell people we were together or anything (not that I cared or even asked).

You Look Like Him

Went up fairly conversational with one girl and a situational opener at the time (this was not conscious but a spur of the moment as I always believe as men we need to force/throw ourselves into the situation. Any opener is better than no opener). She was looking at a book. We started talking about her nerdism but how she didn't LOOK like a nerd who was into sci-fi (she seriously didn't). We laughed and I went direct (note conversational rapport is indirect game) and the interaction was OVERALL very direct. She was clearly into it, got closer and hit me when I said I'd love to fuck a geek (Even though she didnt look like one at all). And then I got closer to her a lot and she said "No..." I said what....she said...look you're nice but you look like my ex and this is just weird.. I said "guess what. I'm your ex back for a quickie. Come here" she laughed and said dude seriously. I said well I'm not your fucking ex. He's not as sexy as I am, now come here (not crudely) and she just shook her head and left. So....Already a girl not receptive due to the fact that I am some "spitting image" of her boyfriend.

I will Burn In Hell

Went in direct with a girl. She was very responsive, very flirty but then asked...wait..um whats your religion? I said love... *kiss* she said wait..dude...seriously. I said .....its okay...*kiss* she pushes dude fuck you tell me. I said...DOES it seriously matter. How is anyone these days RELIGIOUS. Fucks sake. Her: well I'm christian. Me: I'm whatever. Her: I'm not burning in hell for this... Me : Well if you're going there anyways might as well let it be with me!

A girl who valued some religion on some misguided fucked up concept despite kissing me and it being very raw attraction.

LOL as fucked up as those encounters sound, they are hilarious.

Can we Be Benefit Buddies?

Went up to a girl direct game. Made a situational opener "Hey whats that" she said she was handing out flyers for this company. I said cool. What are the benefits? She said...bla bla...I said I don't care about those. I just thought you were cute in your little blue dress. I wanted to say hi. She laughed and said whats your name, I said Lover. She said hrmmm whats your last name "Of girls that wear blue dresses" She said thats a long last name...I hugged her and said oh yea of course it is. I basically said that she looked sweet, got into some conversation (said it must suck to hand out flyers to which she admitted dude so much)....and then I said well you can come with me later sometime. The benefits will be INCREDIBLE. She said oh really...are we going to be benefit buddies? I said ...do you mean.....the type that...ohhh. I don't really cook anything so ....we'd have to really be to the point. She laughed and said yea I wouldn't mind. Here take my #.

Long story short, fucked her. She is currently a FWB. Why? Because she was just looking for that (her LOGISTICS required her to find a guy she clicked with and then the guy needed to be incredibly sexual - so indirect gamers would plummet). She also did not care much for race, but was wondering if I was 17 or something because I look younger than I am. If I was, she said she probably would have turned me down cold (age mattered a lot to her in terms of youngness).

Story of the day, you never know what matters to a girl. Not approaching is retarded, not being and embracing your manhood - equally retarded, and thats without considering BILLIONS of factors (She may not be into brownies, younger guys, etc). Fuck generalizations. All girls are different.