Bunch of retarded mental masturbation.

Of course there's ugly guys that get the girl and there's "good looking drug dealers" that get hot girls with an "attractive lifestyle" - anyone know these gym type drug dealers last I checked?

This topic is a stream of endless bullshit. Looks Matter. Period. If you're so fat you can barely afford to walk to a club, of course you're not GOING to pull the hot girl who you are judging based on her looks.

And anyone saying otherwise is fucking lying to themselves when they say FITNESS does not matter. A good looking woman will end up with the fat bozo if they already fucked when she was drunk and feeling guilty, or the like.

LOOKS MATTER. It's not 10%, it can be 99.9% for some women or 30%.

Fact is, shape up and get your act together guys than posting stupid shit like this for guys to cling to as an excuse.


OBVIOUSLY LOOKS ARE SUBJECTIVE. THEY DONT MATTER BECAUSE WHATS HOT TO 1 GIRL IS NOT HOT TO ANOTHER, SAME WAY WE DONT NECESSARILY ALL AGREE ON OUR OWN HOT BABE 10S.

So lets please move on from this discussion,

Good looks=girls try to find out if you're worth it
Average to below average=you have to show them

I always enjoy your posts CJH. They don't always have the most tact but some guys just dont seem to get it. Looks do matter. The question should be: how much do they matter? And like you said, it differs from girl to girl. That may sound discouraging to some guys but, remember, looks for a girl are made up of different factors than for a guy. Fashion, grooming, body language, and physical features go into it. So if you are lacking the physical features part, make sure you have the other few down. You should always be striving to look your best physically though, just for your own sake.

Also, another thing to remember is that "game" many times gets backwards rationalized as "looks". I've seen that first hand in real life.

To slap at bottom line of 10% on how much they matter is not realistic. They may matter 10% to some girls but to others they may matter 100%. Shallow people exist in both genders.

I agree with you. most men cannot agree on how hot a babe is. However, ugly is a bit more universal. Someone with obvious deformities and or excessive obesity is almost universally seen as either unattractive or a niche fetish.

To the guy's who think of themselves as unattractive-

Always look and feel your best doesn't matter where you go (you never know who your going to meet), groom yourself well, brush your teeth and look presentable. Some girls will be into you and other's won't, but don't get discouraged because you think your not attractive. If you have an attractive personality, you'll attract a beautiful woman

well if looks matter then i hope your right!!

but in my experience good looks mean very little to a woman. or maybe i just dont get out enough?

I see these kinds of threads and posts here all the time. Somebody debunks a general rule by showing an exception or someone mentions a general rule and another counters with an exception.

As men, we should all be responsible for improving our success rates. If a general rule works 90% and the exception covers 10%, your chances are naturally higher with 90%. Good looks can be worked on through good exercise, proper diet, the right vibe, and so on and so forth.

If we encourage newbies to be lazy about improving their looks with proactive actions, then the effort to build their self esteem through 'inspirational' threads like these are just a waste of time and bandwidth.

Of course good looks are important about 80% to 90% of the time depending on the scientific journal that we're basing it on. It simply means that 20% to 10% are exceptions. If you belong to the exception, you'll still be rejected 80% to 90% of the time by beautiful women and you'll have a 20% to 10% success rate in getting a beautiful woman-- if and only if, you go out there and interact with women.

If you don't lose weight, exfoliate your facial skin, eat right, get a good sleep, get a stylish haircut, choose the right clothes that look good on you, and you don't go out to interact with lots of women, then all of the motivational threads in this forum won't help you.

Newbies and AFCs, don't fool yourselves. Get to work if you want that pussy. You'll never get that pussy by eating tons of pizza while watching tv 6 hours a day and never interacting with a girl.

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Looks matter guys, deal with it. Don't expect to marry that gorgeous could-be-model if you aren't good looking aswel. Unless you are extremely rich.

It's just looks don't matter as much as they matter for guys to be attracted to a women.

It's even scientifically proven that people end up marrying (ONS is different) people in the same look bracket. If you are a 7 then expect to marry a 7, generally speaking obviously. Celebrities and rich guys don't count.

If you are a normal citizen guy who is a 5 don't expect to marry the HB8 who works in the coffee shop. Asking her out on a date is probably pushing your luck aswel.

I see this as more of a ploy to get people to buy something from the OP.

Throw out a different hypothesis, add in a couple of photos ( a fake one, too... oops!), and direct people to their link - but' it's 'free right now'!

It's marketing for simpletons.

If that works for him - great.

For me, I'll never charge a dime. I'll teach only those (in person) whom I trust to BE a mPUA, and I'll offer my insight/take/information here for free everyday that I can. No links to click - just a PM to send...

OP - if that's what you're doing, tell the people. This is a pretty straight-forward site. If that's not what you're doing - can you offer what it is you ARE doing?

Thanks

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I get the feeling that guys will read this and think "I didn't win the genetic lottery so I am screwed." This isn't true. You have to remember, like I stated earlier, more goes into looks for girls than your physical features. They are a factor, dont get me wrong. You can't go around looking like a fatass who has never seen the inside of a gym with bad, crooked teeth and nasty skin Generally, if you are at least look like you take care of yourself physically youll be alright. ie: Relatively fit, straight white teeth, decent skin. Having at least decent to good teeth can change how someone views your face entirely. Fashion, grooming, and body language are also BIG factors. Seriously, wearing the right clothes and hairstyle make all the difference. Also, remember that your interactions with a girl determine your "value" she assigns you because of backwards rationalization. You can raise or lower the initial value based on interactions. This does not mean that you will succeed if you don't take care of what I've mentioned though and, even if you do, it will be MUCH harder for you.

Looks always matter, sorry folks but its the truth.

This guy gets epic lulz points for just throwing out a closedminded hardline opinion without probably actually reading all of this.

@the OP: all you prove with your pics is that what we allready know: women love money. You show bernie ecclostone and his wife flavia, flavio briatore and one of his girlfriends. These men are rich as fuck.

Read david de angelo on relationships and what attracts women. He is pretty much spot on.

lmao! Looks matter, height, dick size(yes it does), but the thing is some things like height, dicksize, money... Maybe out of your control, however like the poster says you can do easy things to become attractive, like have decent game, hit the weights, leadership, or mimic characteristics of an attractive man, everything matters...
a lot of ugly ass guys get fine ass girls due to they are attractive somehow.... Looks may get you through the door but after a minute or two women need way more than that, i know ugly guys that get way more girls than good looking guys(me)...

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Cool, haven't heard the word "epic" used since 2010. You just added some nostalgia to this thread.