Hey guys!
I need help on how to kino escalate. First warning, I am a complete newbie when it comes to gaming, so you will probably have to explain everything.
Short story: I saw a cute coworker waiting for the bus, started talking to her, made her miss her bus XD, and then got her to go to starbucks with me. So the day comes, we have a good time, but she sits not in front of me nor next to me, but on a chair. So goal was to kiss her, which totally failed. I had a few IOIs (namely her laughing at every thing I said) but as I said I'm a n00b, didn't know how to kino escalate or pull any routines that would allow me to do so. Only thing was tapping her on the shoulder because of some thing she knew, and a weird hug at the end of the date (tried to follow
So I got her number (any advice on text game, btw?), I asked her if she wants to meet again, she said she'd love to, but I think if I don't escalate soon enough, I'll end up in the friend zone.

Thanks in advance for the input!

a few things that worked for me:

- see her in a place you know well and she doesn't. say you need to hold her hand so she will not get lost in the crowd.

- say something that should bring along a playful sad-panda reaction. (e.g. I dated a girl without D/L once - I said "oh wow poor thing you're the first person I know without a license here"). if she plays along hug her or pat her shoulder to console her.

- you might just play with her treating her like a child if she says something sweet. as in, caress her cheek or kiss it.

- even if you have no clue what you are doing, as long as you do not hurt her, a massage works well. say something like "oh you are so tense. here, I will help you relax" and go for it

- if you get lucky and wear the right fragrance she might say something like "you smell real good". then you have her hug you and smell it right from your neck. of course, you will smell her back. when you do so, make sure to have your lips softly run over her neck.

as for K-closing,.. this one has been my favorite K-close ever:

this girl was awkwardly tense about how our date might go wrong, about how I might turn out to be creepy, or she boring, ...
I told her "how can I make sure this date is totally fucked up?"
HB: "I don't know"
Me: "I do - close your eyes"
*she closes her eyes*
*I kiss her*
after a long kiss: "Well, now you know I am a terrible kisser. All the tension is on me - you can just relax and enjoy" with a big smile

second favorite was throwing water at her face during dinner with my finger, have her throw water back at me, ..., physically approach her.. at a given moment when you are close enough look into her eyes - if she gives the right look, go for the kiss. it requires compliance from the girl in that she plays along though.. not all girls will.

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Thanks for the reply seagull. I like the treating her like a child best, I will put it into practice.

So I get it that it is not necessary to start so slow as described in the mystery method video's, like just touching her shoulder or moving her around a little?

Honestly, my problem is more about inner game and escalation anxiety than anything. And that everytime we meet we just start talking and time flies.

I am not a big fan of following any method to the letter. IMHO, you should read literature to get a feel for what might work and why, and then develop your own game that works for you. You will not sarge your 10th girl the way you sarged your 1st, your game changes a lot as you improve and learn through trial and error. My first sarge was so full of mistakes I am surprised I got laid. My second sarge was even worse and I did not K-close. Took me a while to figure out why. Now I know exactly.
All of this to say that I would go for the vibes. Try stuff and see how it works. I had two dates where it was pretty much evident from the vibes that kino'ing was more of a formal requirement than anything. I could almost just say hi and k-close. So I escalated quickly and enjoyed it a whole lot more since all the IOIs were there.
In one other date, the vibes were so bad that I stopped at casual hand-holding.
Just do what works.. if you can get away with quickly escalating to hugs and teasing go for it. If you feel you have to be slower, then be slower. No-one but you is on the date and can gauge the chick.
I know where you are coming from. My biggest deals were AA and EA. I would feel weird approaching a girl, and even more weird touching her. Which is why I have had more relationships than casual flings, and why my relationships always evolved slowly.
Just accept that rejection is no big deal. Because it is no big deal. All rejection means is "next". You are not being rejected by your wife, or being withheld the last hug from your mother on her death bed. You are being told by a stranger that she will not get you laid. Is the judgment of a stranger that big of a deal? Guess what.. it is not!

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nice guys don't get laid
"It's disrespectful not to bang them when they sleepover." (Hellhound)

Thanks again seagull, I really appreciate the help.

One more thing about text game. She never replies to my texts (except for one in which I asked her where exactly we were going to meet). I sent her a spontaneous text after running 10k which went like "woo! I'm feeling awesome, what about you?" and one after I noticed I had left my work pc running yesterday saying "Left my pc running yesterday, ah, these girls that don't let me concentrate...". Were they lame texts, and if so what should I correct? Or maybe she's not into texting at all, very German of her.

maybe she simply is not into texting a lot (neither should you - texting should serve your game, not become your game.. you can become old news before due time if you text too much*)
your two attempts seem "trying hard" to me.. maybe you should try something more straightforward as in "hey how are you?" and if she replies to that be brief and be the one who stops the interaction. then again, if she hangs out with you, makes out with you, and gets you laid but she is not into texting... is that a big deal?

focus on meeting her again and escalating...

* incidentally, I had a situation where I had to keep in touch by texting almost a week before the date.. I made sure to have excuses to get out of the texting (she was into texting a lot....) and of course, I made sure to be flirtatious and tease her.. friend zone is a bad place

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nice guys don't get laid
"It's disrespectful not to bang them when they sleepover." (Hellhound)

Heh, wish I had understood what you meant by that.
So I texted her again yesterday night asking her out to an Italian restaurant today night, aaand haven't heard from her ever since.
My view is that she wasn't yet comfortable with me, and that I rushed things. Like, sending mixed messages by not escalating in person and escalating via text.
She also had said she would text me first to tell me when she had time given that she didn't know what her schedule was going to be this week.
In any case, bummer. I guess I can't text her again, and shouldn't, I think it's time for "next".

If you have doubts about this girl a good technique is always the freeze out if they send you anything back most likely they are interested, but its up to you to gauge the interaction carefully. As for me I'm not much of a texter and think that jumping into meeting up is your best bet, because after all if they dont agree to meet up with you you're wasting your time any way. My personal advice increase your initial attraction and escalate with a goal in mind whether it be hooking her emotionally or just plain fucking her. You should be working towards a real goal. My last bit of advice which i found to be crucial is some girls are genuinely nervous about going out with you and they flake, so writing them off as not interested isn't always the answer. Which is why freeze outs are nice

for future reference.. it means to lead the interaction at a point where she sends something and you stop replying. in this way, she has been the last to write, and it does not look like you're chasing her (e.g. writing "OK" or some useless text like that just because you're clingy and not willing to let go). it conforms to be be the prize mindset

as for this girl, I guess we all agree to "freeze her out" - you asked out, she did not reply. I would not bother writing again. she will be back in touch if she cares.

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nice guys don't get laid
"It's disrespectful not to bang them when they sleepover." (Hellhound)

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nice guys don't get laid
"It's disrespectful not to bang them when they sleepover." (Hellhound)

Ok I am fairly new also. BUT, i have been working on my kino quite a bit. I normally start by sort of cutting the girl off while we are walking, sort of edging her out , this works because it breaks the touch barrier subtely. I do it like I didnt mean to but dont care. Then I'll do a quick arm around the should to headlock , she should laugh. Then from there she is comfortable with your touch and just continue to game her. Oh yeah, once she's isolated go into sexual state.

And also, I find CALLING her can do fucking wonders, instead of text, practice on a few uggs to get your call game dialed, then dial her up right after.

And the "worst excuse ever" award goes to...

"I'm sorry, my cellphone has been turned off for a few days!"

but then she says "Unfortunately I'm a bit booked right now."

I'm thinking of answering "I know the feeling, I leave the country in a week and it's chaos right now." Which is true. Opinions?

Yea with that line....drop her it isn't true.

No girl i have ever met in my life has had her phone offhand for more than an hour

but if your adament about getting this girl i'd say go into a state of mind where you are constantly out with other girls.

Say something like you missed out on the most amazing time yesterday.

She will obviously asked you "why what happened"

Then come up with something that is maybe true from your past or tell her the craziest thing you have ever done.

You could make something up but i tend to say things that just recently happened.
tell her omg i have to call you because i dont want to write you a "party bible"

I'd be happy to share one of mine "Well me and my buddies were treking the college campus looking for parties when we caught these group of girls headed somewhere. So we joined groups and headed out to some house and we heard music blasting. So naturally we head over and we knock on the door of this shady place with like beer cans and cups littering the whole fuckin yard. I couldnt fuckin believe what i seen when they opened it! It was four guys and a blow up doll playing beer pong. So we are like fuck this and head to a frat house that was jammed packed shoulder to shoulder. it's so hot that sweats dripping from the damn walls. I lose all my friends and have nothing but a preppy blonde to defend me from the monster of the night. AND I SWEAR TO GOD ONLY THING I CAN THINK OF.... is how much fun ____________(insert girls name) would be right now

Yeah, I think she just LJBFd me. Because she says she's sorry and she wrote, meaning she does want to stay in contact with me, but she says she's busy, so she doesn't want to date me.

I'm not really convinced into the making up shit I've done thing, she could check whether I'm telling the true or not. I think I'll just text her the truth, saying that I am leaving the country soon (which means hurry up or you'll miss me forever) and if she doesn't want to, then next.

How's my reasoning?