I'm in a hell of a slump.

And I'm looking for some advice.

My goal is a 3 HB rotation, but lets start with one girl I can consistently fuck. I've been going to the bar/clubs in my city pretty consistently and gaming alot of different girls there. The only problem is that I believe this place to be one of the worst places to pickup women because they all have their shields up.

I've got a few numbers at the bar, but nothing concrete, no day 2s or anything. Seems I can't raise attraction after the number close to get anything going.

My question, what is the most effective way to get a girl to hang out with and bang consistently? What venues should I go to? If you could, be as detailed as possible in your process. (ie openers, how long you chat before you get her number, text game after, next meetups, logistics) I live in a city of about 220k and I'm in one hell of a rut. Most girls I've gotten with are from my social circle or the bar.

Any advice is greatly appreciated.

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“Change does not roll in on the wheels of inevitability, but comes through continuous struggle. And so we must straighten our backs and work for our freedom. A man can't ride you unless your back is bent.”

open 100 girls + a day, just tell them what you think about them, and why you are talking with them, be 100% honest, don't hide anything


the absolute quickest way to get laid, go out, tell every girl you think she is (hot/cute/adorable/anything as long as it is honestly what you think), then let her know you would like to sleep with her, repeat until a girl agrees, do 100 approaches a day doing this until you have a girl

this will hopefully hide your neediness, and you wont really have to display your personality, but you get to the point, this will screen out all girls that are not interested in anything but sex and the way you look (but sex is what you are interested in and needy for)

do as many approaches as it takes, if you are skeptical, I believe there was a german guy who walked around and recorded 100 approaches where he simply opened with, hey, I just came to talk to you cause I would like to have sex with you today, are you interested?, he had something like 6 girls out of 100 say yes

or you can take the other route, start just being more honest, talking to more girls, getting better socially in general (practice will help you with this more then reading, or an outline of what some other guy does), focus on really finding who you are, and expressing yourself in a genuine honest way, there are little social skills you can pick up from pickup that can help tighten things up, but sticking to a plan will often make you come off incongruent, you want to be genuine not robotic and contrived, if you are noticing all these girls have their ''shields up'' then one of three problems most likely exist

-they can smell a hidden agenda off you from a mile away, you seem completely thought out and incongruent (fix this by not having an agenda, and being more upfront and honest, actually be honest, don't think a compliment coming from a place that is not genuine is honest, don't put on an act, and don't hide anything that you are nervous to say *this doesn't necessarily mean talk about yourself all day and be an open book, it just means, if you are hiding who you are to get her to like you, you are not being genuine, it is still an act*)

-they sense that you are super needy and desperate and that is the only reason you are talking to them, you probably would just as soon talk to any girl 5 ft away and this makes them feel cheap and slutty

-it is possible you are projecting a really unattractive image, (could be bad style, could be bad grooming, could be bad hygiene, could be extremely unhealthy looking)

most likely it is not the image unless you dress like you have absolutely no idea, and take no care of yourself, going out smelling like b.o. not shaving, not getting haircuts, and wearing clothes that don't suite you, or make you look as bland and cheap as possible

usually there is something off about your approach if girls are not willing to talk (if it's the image they should still be willing to talk, just less interested in being compliant, as they don't find you attractive, the worse it is the more likely alot of girls will be rude/won't even acknowledge you)

1)the paragraph above these 3 problems, explains how to work on your issue with congruence (the hidden agenda), as well as the point it's self, work on being really authentic until you are confident in yourself doing so

2)to start working on your neediness, realize you are good enough to sleep with pretty much every girl, you just have to find one that is available, there is no hurry, and girls will like you for you because you are you and have a dick (girls love dicks), you will not become happy because a girl sleeps with you (beyond the 5 minutes surrounding ejaculation), happiness is simply an emotional state, you can be happy just because you choose to be, not as a result of accomplishing something, or attaining some sort of goal (if you think this way, it will leave you empty, always wanting more, always trying to please people, always wanting them to like you more and more, always trying to get something from the people around you, always hoping someone else does the work for you, and the less you get what you want, the more you feel depressed), realize you are alive, you have a roof over your head, and you have food, and you are not at a high risk of dieing at the moment, you are doing better then most of the world, be happy that you are alive, CARPE DIEM!!

YOU ALREADY HAVE A BETTER LIFE THEN MOST, IT IS GREAT, YOU DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT BEING SHOT, OR STARVING, OFFER TO SHARE THIS LIFE WITH PEOPLE, IT IS ALREADY COMPLETE, DON'T TRY TO ADD A GIRL TO YOUR LIFE TO MAKE IT BETTER, IT IS ALREADY GOOD, JUST SHOW HER HOW GOOD IT IS, AND IF SHE IS APPEALING, MAYBE SHE CAN BE A PART OF IT, BUT ONLY ONCE YOU TRULY BELIEVE IT IS COMPLETE, CAN YOU COMMUNICATE THIS

you have to stop trying to fill the void, realize that the void doesn't even exist, you are complete, you are already a good person, and you are already happy (when you choose to be), a girl should be happy to join your life as long as you feel complete, if not, that's perfectly fine, you don't need anything from her, be willing to just walk away and go meet a new girl without taking it personally

3)as for image, this one is pretty self explanatory, if you are unhealthy looking, start hitting up the gym and really commit, if your skin is flaky/oily prone to acne etc. see a dermatologist get it taken care of, if your wardrobe sucks, set some money aside and budget for a while until you can afford some nice clothes that make you look good, the brand doesn't necessarily make you stylish, but you can be willing to bet that you often pay for quality, but focus on the fit of the clothes and how it makes you look, rather then mainly focusing on the price tag, go for a look that makes you feel sexy, the more the clothes make you feel like a million bucks, the better, IMO better to have a small tasteful wardrobe that makes you look good, then a huge crappy wardrobe that was more financially practical, also if you don't do so, brush and floss your teeth 2x a day, get haircuts on the regular, keep your body nice and manscaped, smell good on the daily, be clean


GOOD LUCK

*edit there you go, more ideas and details*

^ this will eventually work, it is a numbers game.

Pumpington,

That was a great post and I really can't thank you enough. It's def not an image or hygene thing. I think moreso its my routine and where I go that doesn't give me huge opportunities.

I think from here it is just a matter of playing the numbers game. I might have to make a couple stops at the mall when I'm bored also.

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“Change does not roll in on the wheels of inevitability, but comes through continuous struggle. And so we must straighten our backs and work for our freedom. A man can't ride you unless your back is bent.”

If you want a girl hook. You have to sleep with her. Then the ball is in your court and your calling the shots.

Cut back on the masterbation and eliminated porn completely. I've found I am more determined to approach girls and generally do better in sets. Been getting alot of numbers lately and a few lays.

Only thing is, my goal is to find a stunner that I have great chemistry with. I assume if you play the field long enough, you'll find the 9s and 10s. Any thoughts or advice here?

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“Change does not roll in on the wheels of inevitability, but comes through continuous struggle. And so we must straighten our backs and work for our freedom. A man can't ride you unless your back is bent.”

Focus on demonstrating value and evoking strong positive emotion.

Thought I'd post an update here, feel free to continue to the thread.

I've been transitioning from bar/club game to daygame. For those of you that have tried, this is not easy. I've had decent success at the club but it is hard work, lots of drama bs, and takes a toll on the body and mind [loss of sleep,alcohol, meatheads getting in yelling matches with you].

I've had SNL from the bar, one number close that eventually turned into a short relationship, and tons of makeouts sessions. However, I've found the club is nowhere to find a girl to get to know and I have not found a FB there. [should I keep looking for a FB here?]

Back to daygame, I've been going to the mall quite a bit and opening girls, getting a couple numbers here and there. Pretty much all have flaked and none have lead to a meetup. Also been to the bookstore a little bit and hitting up pubs more so.

My question to you guys, do you have a routine for daygame? Where do you go and what kind of strategies would you recommend? Any helpful advice, related or unrelated?

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“Change does not roll in on the wheels of inevitability, but comes through continuous struggle. And so we must straighten our backs and work for our freedom. A man can't ride you unless your back is bent.”

I did most of my approach via daygame. Mostly in a grocery store, but also at restaurants, getting gas across from one lady, department store... (department store game is fun when you find a target in the men's section - "I need a lady's opinion, and you're quite attractive as well... but how would this look on me?" The affable man seeking advice is a strong routine - and works well to initiate chemistry. She may have even been buying something for her boyfriend - so what? If you can game her - she doesn't need to BE with him, does she?)

I've number-closed when I was dressed like shit, just coming from the beach. But when I was dressed otherwise, I've pulled a woman from the grocery store to a restaurant and to my bed in under 2 hours.

My usual approach - I find the IOIs and caveman. "Wow, you look (fucking) amazing. Who ARE you?" and smile...

I'd say 'fucking' if I felt really in a good mood - and if questioned, would defend its use in adjectival form as absolutely 'fucking stellar'. It generated conversation.

4-5 minute sets, number closes or instant dates.

I've posted about it in various threads... My day game was on lock - until I met my redhead.... Now, I'm retired again....


RR

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Women are like ceramic tile.... if you do the prep work, and lay them properly the first time...you can walk all over them for years to come.

Last year I had a 3+ regular rotation going as a reserve. I'll try and give you whatever tips I can think of for how I managed it.

First off, I know you're going for three stunners at once, but if it's not all or nothing then I'd recommend maybe going for a couple of slightly less fit ones to start off your rotation. In my case, one was really hot, the other two were several degrees less hot. It was a good deal easier to keep the least attractive one in the loop whilst still having enough time to shag the fit one now and again and keep going out looking for new ones.

My second piece of advice is to be vague about your level of committment. You don't have to lie, and you shouldn't actually decieve anyone, but if you want to keep the rotation going solidly, it will help to keep them guessing a bit about how you feel (this is assuming you've already shagged each of them a few times).

Third - don't let them meet, and if that can't be avoided, make sure your liasons with them are low-key enough to slip under the radar if they do make causal acquaintance. Two legs of my last tripod collapsed because it turned out they had mutual friends and got to know eachother. Keep your PR solid, try to limit your reputation as a womanizer in their circles. This is essential.

As for where to meet, these three were all uni students where I was studying, but they came from more or less seperate circles. I met one out clubbing, another was in my seminars, and the third was actually the housemate of a previous girl I'd slept with (PR was tough on that one).

I don't think there's any non-standard place to meet girls especially apt for having on rotation. The club scene is probably the best for this because a lot of people out there are from different circles and it's easier to avoid cross-contamination. I'd get as tight as possible on your smoking area game and your dancefloor game, and make sure you've got a good memory. Good luck!

Do what pumpington said and you're good to go. Perfectly said.