Pumpington, you are the fucking man! Seriously, anytime I see a useful post or some solid advice, its always from you. How long have you been gaming, and don't say your entire life.

Just an update on this situation:

Me: Haha I knew that. So miss trackstar, out of all the other events, which ones do you compete in? I used to run the 400m relay. Hence why I wanted to race ya
HB: I pole vault lol

(next day)
Me: Hey miss trackstar, i feel like going out and enjoying this beautiful weather and what better way than drinks at the blue Lep. Join me tonight?
(4 minutes later)
HB: I'm in Florida. You probably think I keep making up excuses. Plus I'm young


I still think this is going well. I was wondering why she wasn't really initiating texts, but I think being on vacation is a good excuses. With still being new to this, I don't really know the best way to take this. I have several ideas.

Me: Oh god, you're not like 15 right?!

or
Me: Nah, you're a busy girl. Have fun in Fl, we'll have some fun when you get back.

or

Me: Its all good. When you get back, we'll go to a chuck e cheese or something

or

Me: What would ever give me that idea? I'll see you when you get back.

Thanks again for any input.

is there really even a reason to respond to that message?, you could just wait till she gets back from florida and give her a bit of space so she actually feels like she hasn't heard from you in a bit and wounders what you have been up to, leave a little tension in the air for her so she becomes unsure

instead of pull, pull, pull, when you are being pushed, just give a little push back, sometimes you have to pull back and lose a battle in order to win a war

So it has been a week since I last talked to her, and I was getting sick of waiting so I sent her a text:

Me (8:57p) : It was kinda nice running by ___ st and ___ and not having a creepy girl check out my ass as I ran by

HB (8:58) : Oh that was you! wrong... I saw you

Me (9:01p): Nah, I was just looking back to see what street I was on, so it was totally you. And it was nice of ya to say hi...

HB (9:08p) : Haha nah I just thought is creep you out again. But I do live here so you should probably feel self conscious every time you run by.


Not sure what to say next. Should I keep the conversation going? I've already asked her to hang out twice and she had a legit excuse each time.

How about:
Good, I tend to avoid that side of town. Never know what weirdos you'll run into.
(I feel like this would just bore her. I made my jokes, now I wanna fuck her. But it doesnt seem like she will make the effort. I think she is young, and doesn't want to come off as needy or whatever.)

How about:

Me: So whats your excuse gonna be for not seeing me tonight?

what did this girl do that has you hooked so bad?, you barley know her, she barley knows you, you have kept the rapport extremely light, there is no connection, she is non-compliant to a meetup, and now you are just investing more of yourself into a dieing interaction, this is needy, this is a waste of time

why?

you just have to do better in person when you meet girls, it will prevent this from happening, before it happens, actually get to know the girls you are talking to, if you don't know them, chances of them flaking go way up

and take non compliance for what it is, a waste of time, a girl who won't agree to meet you, probably won't agree to sleep with you

you need more girls to talk with, more options, this girl is a bad lead, and you are chasing it hard

instead of being all jokes and fun over text, be normal, just be yourself, don't try to impress, don't do anything rude that is outside of the norm for you, just get to know her, find out what she is like, whats her favorite colour, what kind of a person she is, if she enjoys the same hobbies as you, come up with more then one subject to talk about, lead the conversation, be interested in who she is, find out what she enjoys doing

then after a nice 1-2 hours convo for a day, when you have really put some effort into getting to know her, just finish up with, wow, you seem pretty cool, this was a good talk, I like how (insert personality quality) you are, anyways I got to go, we can continue this some other time

then stop calling/texting her, be strong, stop being so god damn needy, go meet other girls, build a roster of girls, gaming one girl at a time = automatic fail, it is just next to impossible if you are prone to being needy, you will just invest to much of yourself into her and fuck it up, you have to stop investing so much of yourself into girls that are non compliant, it will only fuck you over

if she starts texting you and initiating, start non chalantly inviting her out to do something on your time, that you want to do that she may be interested in, if she is not interested, then who cares, don't press for it, stop being needy, the more she says no, the less time you give her to text with you, just start being too busy to text with her, make it easy to meet in person, hard to text on the phone, and just write her off, if it has been 3 flakes in a row, move on from her mentally, just assume the game is over, she won't sleep with you and drop her like a bad habit, if she comes around cool, check compliance for a meet, it's as simple as, hey I have to go right now, but we can talk over coffee later tonight, I'm free at x time, I'd love to see you again

if she is not down, who cares, forget texting with her, it is a waste of time

Well Pumpington, once again, you are correct.

I've been trying to game other girls, but just continuously fail, and its starting to get to me. I got 3 more numbers over the weekend, but no successes, so I resorted back to one of the non compliant girls.

I need to step up my day game of just approaching girls. Definitely not something I do. This girl was my first real cold approach, so I guess that is why I keep trying for it to work out. I'm deleting her number. If she wants to hang out, she can text me.

Thanks again.

just try this out man, see if it changes anything for you,

when you approach, try to keep your mind blank, don't necessarily think of what to say, if this is hard for you, practicing meditation can help, and so can just keeping yourself externally focused (focus on the things around you, rather then focusing on yourself and what you are thinking) the first 5-10 approaches of they day might make you really nervous, you want to get to the point where you can relax in set and not seem nervous, if you can do that before 5, that is awesome, still try for the first few sets, but don't get discouraged if the numbers lead to nothing cause the girls thought you were weird due to being nervous

next, once you are able to relax, get yourself into a good mood, drinking coffee or tea can help with this (you don't have to drink coffee or tea, but coffee can really help put you into a good mood), now when you approach, here are some main points for you

-don't try to be funny or fun to be around, just be in a good mood and relax, your mood will bring the fun for you, if you are in a fun mood, you will be fun, don't force anything, if you are feeling boring, just be boring, don't worry about it, just be yourself no gimmicks

-don't think of what to say, clear your mind and just be as honest as humanly possible with everything, don't ''run game'' just tell the truth about why you are talking to her, and express real interest in getting to know her

-get to know 5-10 things about her personality, before you ask her on a date, let her know one of those things you liked in particular and why, after this, feel free to let her know you would like to take her out on a date next week, then ask her if she likes (insert activity that you like), if she says no pick another one, just keep saying how about... what about.. if she seems not interested in going on the date, don't worry about her, don't be needy for it, just don't even get her number (unless she offers it before she leaves) and go talk to a different girl (if you really want to you can give her your number, and tell her to call you if she is interested, and if not, that is fine she doesn't have to do anything she isn't comfortable with, then expect she won't call)

-spend a good amount of time in the day talking to girls, if you are out to sarge, sarge as many girls as you can, don't rush yourself but try to pick a day that you have time free so you can put a few hours in to get to that point where you are comfortable with opening (approach anxiety will be strong at the start of the day and make you nervous, by the end of the day gets to be like breathing)

GOOD LUCK

u have kids yet live with ur mom?

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Just trying to meet a 10.

That was a joke. I was clearly a student and I'm 21 so I definitely don't look that old.

good analyses from Pump,

I would add that text game on its own can do wonders if you get good at it.

ive gamed several girl on text game alone.

but u have to b able to back it up on the fone and in person, because its easy to think of what to say over text and plan shit.

in your case, i will say that your text game is pretty weak.

its actually not even your text game, but your mind frame. hah that rhymes.

seriously tho, once you internalise the main theories behind game, you will instantly have higher success and it will shows in day game, text game, phone, game, game period.

for me, the "light switch " consisted of the following few points

-girls want to be hit on, flirted with, are very sexual beings and enjoy sex
-lead lead lead, confidence, the mindset of 'nothing matters cuz im the shit'. very attractive to a woman. you can make mistakes even and its attractive to them.
-what you feel, she feels. she will respond to positive traits, and be repulsed by negative ones. i.e. you act insecure, she gets turned off. you act cool as fuck, she gets wet.
-non-reactiveness/ neediness. when I game a girl over text, i dont ask her out. i play with her, i tease the fuck out of her, i escalate sexually, i wont respond for hours, etc etc. the instant you enter into a position of neediness, you lower your value, hence lowering attraction. REMAIN HIGH VALUE

theres other shit but couple years ago when i learned this stuff and just finally realised "wow i was such a fucking moron who had no clue for so long", the results showed immediately