this is not really a PUA question directly but its interesting and thought someone might know more about it.

I'm thinking about getting some surgery... I don't want to but I feel like it might help? I feel like I'm not attractive to a large % of girls off the bat. I know it doesn't matter if your good at NLP and such but its like an up hill battle every time!

I have read allot about fibonacci, the golden ratio, symmetry and the mathematics of a "good looking" face. pretty extreme I know but I'm really starting to think it might be worth it. I have a lazy eye and a kinda "big" nose. people say I look like Adrian Brody... so that kinda thing but I'm not rich or famous!

Any way, comment this up if you have anything to say.
thanks!

Those who partake in plastic surgery find a boost in their overall happiness for 6 months (or 1-2 years I can't remember the exact number) before reverting back to their base happiness level.

=Even after plastic surgery you'll still feel ugly in the long run.

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that doesn't sound like something that would convince me not to do it... also that's just statistical. its also possible that it could change my life for ever. also it might give me just what I need to finally find the "right girl" and so Ill be happy any way?
I have thought about this though. I know its very possible to spend all that money and just say well I don't look that much different, that was a waist but I am still very much considering it. I gota do somethin...

Let me tell you something, I know some guys who are fat with bad faces who get laid and one is even in an LTR with rather attractive girl. To do this you would be just relying on your looks more and more to help you which is not a good idea. The only type of cosmetic surgery I would suggest is on your teeth if they are not straight or chipped etc. A healthy smile can totally change how someone views your face and it's a sign of good health to girls. Besides that, if you think you are inherently unattractive you are DEAD WRONG. Girls arent as concerned with how big your nose is etc but more how you present yourself. Clothes, physical fitness, grooming etc. Take care of those and have a kick ass personality and youll be surprised at your results.

well I guess my personality must be horrible then! every girl I get with wont stick around and flakes out on me after about 1-3 months... I was literally "given" a hot chick. hooked up with by a friend, and she is giving me that " not spark" BS. equals, your cool and I like everything about you but your not fucking "cute enough".
I could be wrong but I doubt it. been doing this for to long.
also I think the eyes are very important, like the teeth. people look at your eyes just as much if not more. how often do you hear people say they like a guys smile and eyes? all the time.
your are right though, I don't want to "rely" on just looks but I fell like it would help. something isn't right and I don't know what it is. I'm a cool guy, fun, funny, laid back, nice car, house bla bla, all that shit. something else is "wrong".

No, it does not equal you are not "cute enough". If that were true then you would never see these fat, unattractive guys hooking up with cute girls like I have first hand. That "spark" you are talking about, it's usually not there if you don't escalate enough. That, or you are doing something else wrong. It's not your looks. I read about this in your other topic. The fact that you got as far as you did and it died the way it did means you probably didnt escalate to sex enough.

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I'm sick wit dis, straight gangsta mack
but sometimes I get ridiculous
I'll eat up all your crackers and your licorice
hey yo fat girl, c'mere--are ya ticklish?
Yeah, I called ya fat.
Look at me, I'm skinny
It never stopped me from gettin' busy
I'm a freak
I like the girls with the boom
I once got busy in a Burger King bathroom
I'm crazy.
Allow me to amaze thee.
They say I'm ugly but it just don't faze me.
I'm still gettin' in the girls' pants
and I even got my own dance

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that's all right 'cause I get things cookin'
Ya stare, ya glare, ya constantly try to compare me
but ya can't get near me
I give 'em more, see, and on the floor, B,
all the girls they adore me
Oh yes, ladies, I'm really bein' sincere
'cause in a 69 my humpty nose will tickle ya rear.
My nose is big, uh-uh I'm not ashamed
Big like a pickle, I'm still gettin' paid
I get laid by the ladies, ya know I'm in charge,
both how I'm livin' and my nose is large

saved, that was amazing.

lol, nice...