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PostPosted: Tue May 29, 2012 3:55 pm 
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Went to the club for the first time and approached about 10 sets. No real success, until I met one girl. I decided to be more genuine with her and not try and run any routines. I can't remember exactly how the conversation went, but we talked for a while.

I really enjoyed the conversation, and I'm sure she did as well. A couple of times her friends came up and she introduced me to them, which was nice. Then they would leave us to chat. I mentioned that she had a gorgeous smile, and she started blushing. She also started talking about her dad, since he is an architect and I was studying that. At one point, I told her I'd like to get to know her outside of the club scene and we should hang out, and got her number. She pulled out her phone and called it with my phone so she had mine. We chatted a bit more, then I left and approached more girls. I've read that it is good to eject after about 10 minutes, before you screw anything up. But if this is true, how do you K and F Close if you always eject?

Later that night she texted me:

Her (2:26am) Hi
Me (2:31) : Hey Lauren, it was great getting to talk to you at ___ tonight. I didn't expect such a cool girl to be there to be honest haha. Hope you had a good time. What are you up to?
Me (2:45): Are you close to ___ st? I'm about to fall asleep but you should be polite and invite me over :)

Next day I tried calling her to see if she wanted to grab dinner. She didn't pick up so I left her a vmail.

Her(6:12p): hey sorry I missed your call. I'm at work. whats up?
Me (8:38pm): Hey, i'm grabbing dinner with friends now then hanging with my roommate and some of her friends. We are having ppl over tonight. You should come.
Her(11:46p): hah i think i'm actually staying in tonight. just got home from work and Im exhausted. have fun though!

When I met her, she did mention that she works in a hospital, and was exhausted at the club and only went out cause her friends forced her too.

Next day:
Me (4:57p) : hey if its nice tomorrow you should join me out at the arb. I love it out there.

(arb is a nature preserve in town with lots of hiking paths and a river)

It has been almost 2 days and I haven't heard from her. She seemed to be interested in me at the club, and the initial text from her made me feel like she actually was interested. I told her I'm not much of a texter, but I feel like I need to build some rapport before asking her out again.

I was thinking of texting her:
So am I ever gonna get to see you again, or will I have to rely on texts to get to know you?

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I hate telling people this since it's the last thing anyone wants to hear, but you should just move on. She has absolutely no interest and she's not worth your time. She isn't worthy of the time you spent typing this topic. Don't you think you can do better than this?


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You got a bit needy pretty quickly...Doing this put her in the drivers seat and gave her too much value!

Freeze her out...DO NOT TEXT OR CALL HER!!!!

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That is what I was beginning to think. You are right, she isn't worth my time. Did I do anything wrong with the interaction though? Should I not have texted her that night asking to hang out?


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You just texted too much. Not that it REALLY matters anyway since her mind is made up that she doesn't want to go out for whatever reason. And don't bother trying to freeze her out...that only works if she is attracted and/or emotionally invested in you.


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Yea, I was just wondering for future girls. Next time I #-Close should I just text her once then wait for her to text me? If I never get a response, then just forget her and move on, and assume I didn't build enough comfort/attraction when we met? I hate waiting on other people to make the move. I enjoyed this girls company at the club and wanted to see her again, but oh well.

Oh, and I know that about the freeze out. I don't think she is interested in me, so a freeze out would do nothing.

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drop her a text next week very random, funny something to grab her attention c if u can get a good vibe going than ask her out again, who gives a fuck seriously


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Yea, I was just wondering for future girls. Next time I #-Close should I just text her once then wait for her to text me? If I never get a response, then just forget her and move on, and assume I didn't build enough comfort/attraction when we met? I hate waiting on other people to make the move. I enjoyed this girls company at the club and wanted to see her again, but oh well.

Oh, and I know that about the freeze out. I don't think she is interested in me, so a freeze out would do nothing.

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stop throwing your ego into it. Girls' moods change, one moment they may be receptive to your advances, another they may not be. She's not invested in you at the moment and she's not obligated to you in any way. Simply keep her on the periphery and hit her up every now and then to get her out. So long as she doesn't avoid u or tell u to fuck off, when u r least expecting it (e.g. she feels lonely one day, or needs validation) the window of opportunity will open.


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stop throwing your ego into it. Girls' moods change, one moment they may be receptive to your advances, another they may not be. She's not invested in you at the moment and she's not obligated to you in any way. Simply keep her on the periphery and hit her up every now and then to get her out. So long as she doesn't avoid u or tell u to fuck off, when u r least expecting it (e.g. she feels lonely one day, or needs validation) the window of opportunity will open.
This ^^^^^ Is very true, don't assume she has no interest just because she hasn't yet replied. She showed enough interest in your initial meeting to stay in touch with you. Women are all over the map with their conscious thoughts. Some women love to be chased, others will convince themselves a million times over that they are too busy or are not in the right state of mind to date. Then the next day they will watch a cheesy movie and be right back into the dating frame of mind. I'd listen to agentprovocateur, he is right. NEVER ASSUME A WOMAN HAS NO INTEREST UNLESS SHE MAKES IT LOUD AND CLEAR. (Verbally or through completely ignoring you)

Just don't be needy, wait a few days and re-engage. Make it light, fun and friendly, don't force a date on her, just re-engage her. Warm her up with your charm and wit, intrigue her. Make her want to see you. Then and only then should you invite her out. When you invite her out, make it very casual, with no expectations, Refrain from the word " date".

Also, don't get all bent up on this girl or any girl EVER. Have an abundance mentality even if you have yet to have women in abundance.

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drop her a text next week very random, funny something to grab her attention c if u can get a good vibe going than ask her out again, who gives a fuck seriously
Excellent! This is so true, persistence coupled with the right frame and confidence can take any man a long way. Until she is metaphorically slapping you in the face, you always have a shot.

I see a lot of quitting on this forum, hardly the right attitude of a truly confident man.

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You just texted too much. Not that it REALLY matters anyway since her mind is made up that she doesn't want to go out for whatever reason. And don't bother trying to freeze her out...that only works if she is attracted and/or emotionally invested in you.
Dude, what happened to you? This advice reeks of a man scorned and little confidence. Are you no longer in your relationship?

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Hey guys, I really appreciate the advice. The people of this forum have helped me out countless times, and I cannot wait until I am able to give back the advice you guys have provided me. I really respect you guys for that.

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stop throwing your ego into it. Girls' moods change, one moment they may be receptive to your advances, another they may not be. She's not invested in you at the moment and she's not obligated to you in any way. .
I've had old habits of beating myself up over things like that, but I am trying my hardest to not let anything get to me like that. It's tough when you are just starting out and keep getting shot down.
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drop her a text next week very random, funny something to grab her attention c if u can get a good vibe going than ask her out again, who gives a fuck seriously
Excellent! This is so true, persistence coupled with the right frame and confidence can take any man a long way. Until she is metaphorically slapping you in the face, you always have a shot.

I see a lot of quitting on this forum, hardly the right attitude of a truly confident man.
I have a question on this. I'm starting to understand the importance of persistence, but I'm sure there is a point when you can take it too far. Last night I met a chick at a party, and had some great conversation/flirting but she seemed to start ignoring me as the night went on. She would still give me eye contact and when she walked past me she would brush up against me, but whenever I tried talking to her, she would say one or two words then walk off. At one point I felt like she wanted me to chase her, but then started feeling like she wasn't interested at all and was just ignoring me. What is the best way to distinguish this and deal with it?


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I'll usually text for a meet-up the next day, usually it'll be "Thanks but blah blah blah blah cat died."

If they offer no alternative meet-up, or at least leave it open-ended such as "maybe another time," etc.. I'll delete the number immediately.

I delete a lot of numbers.


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I have a question on this. I'm starting to understand the importance of persistence, but I'm sure there is a point when you can take it too far. Last night I met a chick at a party, and had some great conversation/flirting but she seemed to start ignoring me as the night went on. She would still give me eye contact and when she walked past me she would brush up against me, but whenever I tried talking to her, she would say one or two words then walk off. At one point I felt like she wanted me to chase her, but then started feeling like she wasn't interested at all and was just ignoring me. What is the best way to distinguish this and deal with it?
Some women do like to be chased, a lot of women like to play games. And some women just like attention and have no interest in you whats so ever. To distinguish between these three, you must make a strong indication of interest. You must get into their minds. Also being able to interpret her body language will help you immensely.

A perfect way for you to have found out would of been to make a strong comment to trigger her physiologically and cognitively. When she walked/brushed by one of those times, you could of ( in a very confident manner) whispered or lightly said something like this:

If I kissed you passionately, you would melt in my arms.
I can make you tremble with my lips alone.
What would you do If I just grabbed you now and kissed you passionately.
I like you, I want to kiss your entire body
If I spent the evening with you, you would never forget me.
etc etc. ( this is the actions of the confident man)

The idea here is to disrupt her reality, to trigger he animal instincts, if she has any physical interest in you it will show based on her reaction. Since you have already built a little bit of rapport with her, these words are really not that strong, she's already had the opportunity to decide whether or not she is attracted to you.

Even if she keeps walking by after the comment ( which may happen more then not) If she is interested in you, her demeanor should change, her body language definitely will. She will become more submissive in nature as well as probably be checking you out a lot more.

If she replies, to your comment instantly, look for open signs, sometimes women will reply very cock and defensively but their body language and tonality of their voice will be a dead giveaway if they are interested.

In short and in this particular case. Make a bold move to disrupt her conscious thoughts, show your interest, look for the signs. Then let the cards fall as they may.

By doing what I said above, you will have engaged her in the dance of seduction, you may still have to work for it, but if she has interest in you, she will make it a lot easier on you once you got into her head.

Either way, you have your answer, if she shows no signs of interest, you can move on to your next target.

Note: bold comments like this can have a long lasting effect, they may not be any signs of interest right away, but as the night progresses and she observes you giving up on her and talking to other girls, she may become interested. This is why it's always important to never take offense to any type of negative response a woman gives you. Don't see any rejection as a rejection, merely her missing out on your awesomeness.

The less you show it has affected you the better, women are incredibly indecisive when it comes to men and dating.

I have had many women begin to show interest after they flat out rejected me, my calm and cool demeanor made them question themselves. My bold comments made me become part of their radar, after they observed me for awhile, they then became interested and made subtle efforts to come back into my world.

Be aware of this always.

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