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PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2012 10:05 am 
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I was out on Saturday night with my so-called "girlfriend", when I was finally forced to confront how utterly frustrated and bored I am with my relationships with women...And so I signed up to this website, solely in order to ask a question that's been bothering me for a long while...

Im an AFC in every sense of the word...In the past,I made an effort to study the art of pick-up,bought Style's and Mystery's materials,went out,had some success,but nothing to really write home about....and so I fell back into my old habits with women,because it was easy....and hence I find myself in my present predicament...

I'm 32 years old,and speaking frankly,I don't want to live like this anymore...I want to become a PUA ,and the sooner,the better...but when I look at some of the pickup material on sale on the Internet,I find a lot of big claims,but not much substance..And again,speaking frankly ,I have no time for bullshit or complicated pickup mumbo-jumbo..

So my question:what is the best way to become a PUA from where I am right now?i know next to nothing about PUA,but I'm desperate to escape where I am with women,and I'm hungry to learn and change my life for good...that's great,but who do I learn from?im completely lost,and so I'm hoping someone will point me in the right direction in terms of approaches to take,or a course or bootcamp to attend,or whatever...any advice would be sorely appreciated...

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the best way is practise, it is not nessicarily the systems or methods that give you the success, it is simply the confidence

picking up girls is actually fairly simple, just like how losing weight is fairly simple, but just because it is simple does not mean that it is easy on you, or that it does not require discipline and effort to see results from, no matter what method or system you pick, nothing will do anything for you without the effort, it is like buying the best home gym equipment and then using it around one time a month, and expecting that you get ripped, pickup is the same, there is no magic pill, practise and time in the field is key to getting comfortable and confident and confidence is what actually gets you the girls, not the methods

in my opinion, the absolute best method, is the be your best self method, in other words, be yourself, cut the neediness out of your soul, don't seek approval, don't seek reactions, and be confident within yourself and openly emote and express your intentions without shame or appology, in essense be sure of what you want, know how you intend to get it, then go after it

if you can do the above free from neediness you are set to be a pickup artist (if that is even what you would like to call yourself), after that it is just a matter or time, practise, and number of women spoken with, screened out and escalated upon until you have gotten what you want, and become much more efficent at doing so


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All right,let me state my question in another way:I want the knowledge to become a pickup artist....which is the best pua bootcamp/pua course/pua guru to learn from,in order to get game?


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it depends where you live .. It's important that you listen to others too, the bloke above you had good tips for you

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All right,let me state my question in another way:I want the knowledge to become a pickup artist....which is the best pua bootcamp/pua course/pua guru to learn from,in order to get game?
all right, let me state my answer in another way, experience is the best way to ''get game'',

chiefs-guide-to-outer-game-vt75887.html

read ^ this post and you understand all the outer mechanics you could possibly ever need, (maybe read a bit more in depth on asd, it could help you re-frame some entitlement issues in your own head)

be positive when girls are acting how you like and make them feel good, and tease them and be playfully dismissive when they are acting badly,

touch people to stress points and integrate it naturally into your habits while you socialize, touch both guys and girls and practice just doing it until the point where you don't even think about it, and instead of building compliance in a linear order, just touch when it feels normal, but take note in your mind if it is complied with or not without constantly running a check list of something like touched the hand, touched the back, touched the hair, now had a kiss, this means sex is unlocked, doesn't really work like that, just touch and pay attention to what you can get away with (for more detail ^ check the above post)

figure out what you want in a girl personality wise, seriously, if you are wbafc and just starting out, good chance you are needy as fuck and in a terrible situation with women, how their personality is is probably the last thing that is on your mind, but guess what, if you can change your habits and actually put effort into this and improve then when you do start actually meeting some girls you will have no standards for yourself to gauge what you like and end up with some shitty girl that you hate and you will be downright miserable about what you did to yourself, just because you were desperate, think of your ideal personality and look for it, as long as the girl is physically attractive to you and has the personality (doesn't have to be jessica alba, but at least a cute girl) then you will enjoy your time with her more, your game will just naturally be tight with her, without you having to try because you will simply be actually enjoying yourself and you will not want to strangle her 90% of the time that she is not sucking your cock

the thing is man is, look, about 90% of the guys that get into pickup will fail, and why is this?, because they don't want to change their habits, they live in a future lala land, they have a life they are comfortable with and they don't want to change it, it is like they consider picking girls up to be like being a doctor, you study and you study and you study, then one day you get a medical degree and waalaa, you are a doctor, you are just good at it now cause you studied and now you can give medical SPAM to anyone you want, well it doesn't work like that,pickup is simple, it is not easy, but you are making it out to be way more complicated then it actually is, pickup starting out as an afc is more like going to the gym starting out when you are not fit, 90% of the people that go to the gym that are not fit, will not reach their fitness goals for the same reason 90% of all guys that learn about pua will not reach their goals with women, they lack discipline and the will to change their habits, lifting weights and dieting is simple, but just because it is simple does not mean it is easy, it takes effort and discipline to make a habit out of it, pickup is the same way, being good at meeting girls you don't know and talking them into fucking you, is about the same as having big muscles and being ripped, it is just something developed through experience, persistence and discipline, it is not the ''techniques'' that got the muscles, you can learn different fad diets, you can learn new lifting techniques higher rep lower weight, higher weight lower rep, plyometrics, 21s, HIIT, super setting, drop sets, cardio, sprints the list goes on, just because you are extremely knowledgeable on ''how'' to get ripped, does not mean you will be ripped

don't fall into the pickup trap of living in the future, don't be that guy saying if I just learn x-amount I will be ready, I am not good enough, girls are too good for me right now, I am not worthy

if ^ this is you, you are putting that pussy up on a pedastool, the simple fact that you have a penis, makes it absolute 100% fact, no matter who you are, what you look like, what job you have, how many friends you have, there will always, always...... ALWAYS will be, girls that find way above averagely attractive, girls that find you only averagely attractive, and girls that find you below averagely attractive, it does not matter how you view yourself, it is fact, there just is girls that will like you and dis-like you simply because you are a guy, girls are not all telepathically linked with a you're in, you're out kind of club where every girl in the world psychically votes and decides if guy xyz is in or if guy zyz is out and once you have this holy grail that is ''game'' now all of a sudden you can fuck every girl and never be rejected again, and without this game getting a girl is simply impossible

you will not just one day after reading for 10 years come to the conclusion, AHA I AM READY NOW, then step outside and be a pimp, it won't happen, it happens from going out and meeting girls, a guy that gets laid alot and has alot of casual sex does this because he has already developed alot of options for himself, when he goes to the club or out during the day a few times a week to meet new girls, he does so even though he already has girls going for him, why does he do this?, because it is a habit and he knows some girls will fall off, and some girls will cling on, going out is the most important thing, reading about ''how to'' is secondary, if it is primary for you, you are setting yourself up for failure, it will just turn you into a keyboard jockey, you will be that fat guy telling everyone how to get ripped, instead of that ripped guy

as for bootcamps, you would be just as well off to take a friend out with you and pay him to point girls out to you and yell at you until you approach them, it is about the same, you pay a company 1000-2000$ for a few days of ''training'', they take you out to a club, give you a speech before hand, tell you that you are the man, give you about 5 lines to say, like hey your nose looks cute when it wiggles, then they go out and just ask girls for phone numbers in front of you when they have some compliance, and it BLOWS YOUR FUCKING MIND, cause I mean a girl actually gave her phone number away? what? really? this guy must be a mega star pimp, he must get laid all the time, she gave out her number!!! then for the rest of bootcamp you will just get help from the instructors such as, project your voice better!, stand up straight!, talk to that girl! *push*, touch her more!, relax more!, have more fun and loosen up!, stay in your sets longer until she actually rejects you, if she doesn't ask her home! and sure some of the instructors for some companies are really good at picking up girls but just because you see them in action won't really make you better, it is the same as a personal trainer who is absolutely ripped, sure you can pay him to tell you what he does, but does that mean over night you are ripped?, you could just as easily just go to the gym and figure it out for yourself, the gym is primary and learning about lifting and nutrition is secondary, if you don't go to the gym, you don't get fit

that is basically it, if you want to pay a good 1000-2000$ for that, go for it, it is nothing you couldn't figure out on your own just by going out, talk to lots of girls and improve yourself, the more you hit on them and socialize the better you will get at it, the words in the conversation matter almost seriously 0 FUCKING %, NOT AN OUNCE OF BULLSHIT, 0%, girls communicate almost completely and solely on sub-text, it is the meaning behind what is being said and how that makes them feel that matters, and if you are confident and going for what you want, guaranteed you will set the right frame you need that is conducive to more girls sleeping with you, it is the confidence, not the knowledge, the knowledge can just give you that initial kick in the ass to actually go out and take action and start working on developing a new habit (but for most this won't happen), there is no magic pill, getting good with women means improving yourself and it is that simple, you are already good enough to pick up women you just don't realize, but you can always get better

and as for neediness, you have to realize girls will not make you happy, in the short term having an orgasm will feel good, but 5 minutes later that feeling is gone, if you are hoping finding a girl to be with will fix that empty feeling you have inside, it won't, you think this and use it to motivate you, you will walk down a very dark path, you could end up fucking 100 girls and get to the point of being suicidal when you realize that you are even less happy then when you started, sex and approval will not fill that hole in your life, you will become happy simply when you can realize that happiness is simply a state of mind, and you can be happy right now simply if you allow yourself to feel happy (try it right now, you can be happy right now just because you want to be, all day even, you can be that guy that says he is ''high on life'' and honestly mean it), it will not come as a result of obtaining some sort of possession or status it is all empty nothingness and it will never be enough to fill that hole, just realizing that you are all you need, and there is no fucking hole can go along way, at first this will be impossible to internalize and you might need some outward validation just to light the fire under your ass and raise your self esteem so you can see it, it's just like the clip below, you're so fucking money and you don't even know it

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhmcJ7Zg5ko[/youtube]

just go out and kill the bunny already

GOOD LUCK


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That was epic!


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PostPosted: Thu May 24, 2012 11:49 am 
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Wow pumpington that was really a good post.. It's all in our mind and we don't realize it!

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Wow pumpington that was really a good post.. It's all in our mind and we don't realize it!
Yeah,pumpington, that really was a great post...for a person looking to get into the game,there is so much bullshit out there it's kinda hard to know where to turn...you've answered all of the questions I had...thanks.


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