Hi guys

I dont know if it is asked or not. Because all game plans are about confidence, talking-skills and peacock-styles.

My question is that: Until now, a lot of girls and also guys told me that i am handsome, cool, charismatic man. I mean people (also me too) find me charming. Girls like my smile and gaze. And i have alpha behaviors. How can i take advantage of my apperence (all thease features)?

I know this question can be weird a litlle but because of my apperence i face more hard bitch-shields. Some girls test me long time about loyalty. I think they think that i can easly find another girl and cheat them. Thats why i cant build enough trust on them.

I know a lot of guys wish to be handsome but i can say that it is not good thing like they think. It is sometimes like wall infront of me.

If anyone know how can i get benefit of myself?

You face more bitch shields than most people because you're supposedly handsome? No...doesn't work that way.

Odds are you rely too much on your looks and therefore have weak game which puts girls on the defensive...hence you running into bitch shields. Girls don't put up extra bitch shields if they find a guy handsome/charming/cool/charismatic as you point out, so you must be doing something else wrong.

Maybe give us an example of one of your approaches where you faced a tough target.

I understand what you mean. And you are right. I havent a weak game because i have no games.

I just try to turn naturel simple meetings into releationship. I mean I rearly effort to meet someone new. And mostly i stuck on one girl for long time without getting any result.

I think i dont have enough confidence and courage to take control of my life.

I am not smug but i need a point to have a self-confidence. I bored to be used by girls that want to get jealous their boyfriend or their target guy. I just want to turn my apperence into my adventage not their.

Do you have any specific game plan for my stuation or i just do it same way just everyone else?

Approaching may be easier for you since your looks work for you. But beware, good looking guys need to have tight game too. Ever heard a girl say "He was great until he opened his mouth"?

Good looks is something that works for you passively, you just need to be good looking and get some bonuspoints from it. Just dont base your game on it.

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I'm not trying to be a dick Ezo, but you're being a Pick Up Snob in my opinion.

bbardot: you just reminded me about porn

It's really whatever style you want to try.

If you're very handsome as you say, I suggest working the physical angle first; lock eyes with the target, give her a nice smile, and when she smiles back, approach and game her.

Alright what hoopz said isn't entirely accurate. It has been proven that men and women generally tend to choose partners with similar levels of appearance to them. I say generally, because obviously PUA (an exception) is partly about getting chicks that are better looking than you are (as well as just getting more women). This is mainly because they are concerned with their partners going out and looking for better.

So yeah, expect to get more shit from women questioning your intentions/loyalty. but... if you can get past that, being good looking makes your job easier.

Example: I used to be skinny. good looking, but skinny. then i bulked up and became more masculine. Life got A LOT easier, especially with girls.

Good looks help, but you do need to put more effort into having her trust you. hard to do, and i realize my post doesnt really provide a solution for you, but... good looks do come with that problem, as stated before

Most women can sniff out a game player, whether he is using learned PUA skills or just taking advantage of natural good looks. This is why you see so many posts by PUA forum members about how they had this great convo with a girl but she flaked afterwards. The guys may have done everything technically correct, but the gals know that not every guy can banter like that, and that the girl is probably just one of many he talked to that day. So they flake because they don't feel good about it after the guy is gone, or they do it to test the guy's determination.

It's the same with guys who are good looking and/or charming to begin with. Sure the girls can be charmed, but something still triggers a red alert warning in their heads, so out come the bitch shield.

You could probably work on building rapport, but you'd be better off working on your inner game.

I would like to say, unless you're in some skinny shirts showing your muscles (or your muscles are big in terms of popping out) your looks will be receptive by only some women.

Other women who have dealt with the 'good looking' guys generally have a lower value of anyone they remind the girl of. For example, if you resembled a guy who raped her in her earlier life, what do you think your chances realistically are?

I myself DO NOT have abs, but i dont have a gut. I am skinny but not overly muscular (though a lot of people say 'hey muscles') - im really not. Looking good, having great fashion, nice teeth, grooming etc HELPS build a RELATIVELY small value

I'm serious. Take a guy who has abs like my friend who looks like Heath Ledger, and you will quickly pale in comparison because he has no real value with cold approaching.

Hence...you see a lot of good looking studs generally not getting the girl contrary to cliche.

How do you USE your looks? Same way you can't exactly change bone structure...you can't unless you're striking poses. And be careful...you can intimidate a lot of girls and this does NOT work in your favor (As a high value sexy athletic male).

They may be extremely put off. Generally, its about how you present your vibe (energetic, playful, and good looking helps) but to be honest its nothing big.

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I want to point out: if you are fat, overweight, balding, etc these work against you (obviously). I hate to say it...but pickup is NOT a game on how to be completely void of fitness and get HB 10s who have a gym lifestyle...it will seriously not happen - but you don't have to be RIPPED ...just average-fit. If you have a stomach its not a deal-breaker.

A lot of members on this forum are 35-45 and picking up girls in their 20s. Obviously their age works against them, but if they handle the girls they go up to in confidence of their age, then their value goes up. Maybe retired rodeo can comment on his age and how it works in relevance to pick up.

I do strongly believe age lowers initial value.

Cap'n, great post.

You brought forth a lot of info. I hope the OP will take note.

You have to know what you're working with inside of yourself people. I was blessed with a sharp mind. I use it. I used to be a poetry and Shakespeare junkie - why? for starters, I've always loved literature, but the real reason - chicks dig poetry! I knew this in HIGH SCHOOL, it wasn't rocket science, and I didn't have any 'PUA' material readily available. My theory is this... I don't have the looks to make your clothes fall off, but I have the ability to TALK them off...

I've never considered myself the greatest looking of guys. I've always been tough on myself in that regards... BUT - I've always had a knack for talking with people. That was apparent in high school, and hasn't changed.

So what do you do? You accentuate what you do have. As for age - I say mentally prepare yourself for your own target demographic.

I don't even give

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Women are like ceramic tile.... if you do the prep work, and lay them properly the first time...you can walk all over them for years to come.

(I wrote much more than is showing up on my screen.... it shows up when I preview, but stops on the post... I don't know what's up with that...)

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Women are like ceramic tile.... if you do the prep work, and lay them properly the first time...you can walk all over them for years to come.

Allow me to finish RR's post that he sent me in PM:

I don't even give anything less than 30 attention whatsoever. There's no need for it. I'll be friendly, engaging, smiling etc.... but I KNOW my chances of bedding a woman under 30 are slim to none - so, I calibrate my brain to ONLY find attractive women around 35 and older. Then, if I notice them, if they spark my interest, I'll look further. I've had my friends, and my brother point out a young (hot) chick and say "what about her"? I'll respond with "yeah, cool - she's hot... Not even on my radar...".

What does that do? It stops wasting time. Get real with yourself, people. If you're 20, for the most part, your target demo will be 18 til 35. You 'may' get lucky and hit something outside that limit, but those conquests will be few and far between. It's a probablilities and statistics issue. Know your own limits and plan accordingly.

As for me - I'm 5'11", 172lbs, greying slightly on the sides. I don't do a lot of traditional workouts... I swim in the ocean 3x/week. That's it. I swim out about 200 yards, and swim along the coast for about a 3/4 to a mile each time. As a result - I'm slender, but not skinny, I'm tanned as fuck, and I'm damned confident when I take my shirt off.

To the OP - when you say you're too good loking.... shut up. There's no such thing. It's all about your inner-game, about your own self-preparation. If you can talk with people, if you can be comfortable in that surrounding, if you can open set-after-set and never have to THINK about what to say, but simply use the energy of the set to move forward... then come talk to me. Until then, you're deluding yourself, and making excuses as to why you're jerking off. Don't blame game, or your perfect complexion - blame your own LACK of game. PUA isn't "flowers and unicorns"... it's in your face and real. I'm not here to sugar coat shit, I'm not here to hold your hand - I'm here to give you the straight answers you want to have deep down. Why? Because it's payback time for me. I've learned much in my years. I've bedded a lot of women. I'm not out to make money, promote some agenda, link you to my website... I'm here to read the information provided and give an answer as to what I'd do in that situation. That's it - this is entertainment for me, but it's also beneficial. To this day, I love to learn - and when someone here throws out concepts that make me think - I dig that shit. So don't take anything personally, a PUA has no time for such stupidity; just fix your shit and move on.

Quick aside:...traveling for 5 years on the pro rodeo circuit - where I made my start in PUA on a conscious level - gave me plenty of time to write rodeo poetry. That shit was cool then - and women now are blown away by it. The expect the stereotypical dumb cowboy. I love to get those women....

Accentuate what you have. For me, I learned that (for some stupid reason) woman LOVE calling a man 'cowboy'. They like it even more when he truly was/is one. I play into that. I'm humble, quiet and very affable when in 'cowboy mode'... but I'm a silent killer then, too. I'll "aww shucks" her panties right off...

To the OP - I'm all over the map with this post (Thanks Cap'n, you got the brain functioning early this morning LOL), but hopefully there are a few things you can pick up out of this.

To summarize, know your limits, know your tgt demo, and most importanly - KNOW YOUR OWN GAME. Saying "I'm too good looking" is fucking humorous, but it's bullshit. Sounds to me like compensation for a lack of inner-game. Think about it...

RR
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I'd like to add ....

while RR is right - I think a lot of people miss factors about the game in terms of tactical advantages (AMOG, Banter, Cocky Funny, Neg, etc) and they don't realize VALUE basing.

We all have stereotypes and it's a complex subject. If a girl is generally never around black people, she is less likely to get with you if you are black and you have amazing game.

HOWEVER, it CAN be done....it just requires a lot of work.

Thank you guys to all of you.
I red all the posts several times. I understood something better. I must work on my inner game first.
I am 27 and attending to university by the way.

When it comes to your looks what is important for any player is to know how he is perceived by others, in particular women. Al though every woman has their own perception, there is some classic generalizations. If you are exceptionally handsome and have the posture/physique and style to go along with your looks, you will be generalized. " cocky" "full of himself" "arrogant" "self absorbed" "player" "womanizer". This is a certainty.

Now of course these are just assumptions, Ideally you want to shatter these assumptions by being humble, polite and a gentleman. It may even be wise to show some vulnerability. If you can show that you are in fact the opposite of these assumptions, you will have the woman eating out of the palm of your hand.

I have a client, that was having a lot of the same problems. He tweaked his game to become much more humble and sweet and it has worked wonders for him.

Being really handsome should not be a burden, but if you don't play the right game it certainly can be.

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Seduce their mind and the rest will follow.

SexAddict911,
Are you sure about that if this game will work for me. Because i used to be polite and gentleman. But i just used by girls and had nothing. They never let me cross the friendship-line, kept me in that position and continued to use.