Hey guys, it is time for another important lesson about fundamentals of pick up.

Today we are going to talk about the fearsome friend zone (FZ).

It seems that most of the guys on this forum read about it in some book, thought it was a real thing (like the boogie man) and now you are all running around like headless chickens being really scared of this thing.
The FZ is not real! It is not a threat! It is just like the boogie man, it will only mess with your game if you believe in it!

Haven't you guys ever seen a romantic chick flick? The girl always falls in love with her best friend in the end. Girls in real life and in movies too, always talk about that they want guy to be their best friend and their lover, that is the perfect combination. And you sit and whine that you can't get laid if the girl thinks you are her friend? Come on guys! Man up!

The only reason you think there is a FZ is because some girl(s) rejected you once by saying let's just be friends. This doesn't meant that you are in the friend zone, this means that she doesn't like you, she doesn't want to be your friend, she just doesn't want you to hit on her anymore!
Sorry if I am harsh but someone needs to spill the truth!

If you really do manage to become good friends with a hot girl, then you are in the best position ever! Because now, she trusts you, and that my friend is worth gold!

At that point, all you have to do is be awesome and charming around her, be kinda cuddly in appropriate moments, act a little jealous if she dates someone else. And one day invite her home for a movie, sit in your bed, watch on your lap top and share a bottle of red wine. This has never failed me once!

A friend of mine (who is a girl) recently got engaged to her best friend since 13 years. All of a sudden they just became more than friends, so yeah, this is not a miracle. This is what girls want!

Word of warning though, do not think that you can befriend girls and fuck them once and then leave them. This will seriously break their hearts and damage them for a long time, there might be years before they trust someone again!
Remember to always leave them better than you found them, if you don't want a relationship with her you have to be mature and make that clear in a polite way, basically tell her let's just be friends (oh the irony).
If you swing it right you might end up with a best friend/fuck buddy. Now that's an awesome scenario!

So stop being afraid of junk like the FZ, it is bullshit that people make up to hide the fact that their game sucks!

Improve your game not your excuses!

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Slywalker i am not trying to be a pain in the ass, the reason this is to close to me is because your "romantic movies" references "friend zone" for me is very personal, when i started natural game(there was no community) all i did was to study every romantc movie out there, and try to copy the characters in the movie, i was not a total afc, i had some natural skills and charm, but those movies, now looking back, made more harm than good, it was not till i met a african american natural(he was the bad boy) i was the romantic movie dude in competition, that i realize that shit don't work, so i think your post trying to tell dudes no to be scare of being in a friend zone, and to watch Romantic movies, is a really bad idea...With all due respect...The ghetto dude has it right:

1.- hit on her best friend or friends.
2.- share your successful pick ups, dates, sex, talking as friends( no bragging, no trying to impress)
3.- take a break and come back a different man.
4.- Pick up other girls in her presence.
5.- Escalate on her sexually
6.- if none of that shit works adios, move on, do not waste your time on a freaking girl...ONitis..

now the only romantic movie that is similar to that "the ugly truth"

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I never said not to do any of those things. They are all part of what I mentioned above. Just be smooth about it and don't treat her like one of your guy friends. Basically don't tell her how hard you pounded that pussy last night, but you can tell her that you invited your date home and let her imagination do the rest.

I would even suggest to use her to pick up other girls, let her be your wingman, there is nothing wrong with that!

I have the same background as you do, I started this shit a long time ago before there were best seller books, forums and shit. I figured things out for myself and I think that's a problem now. Guys rely too much on what other people tell them, so when they read about the boogie man friend zone they think it is a real threat and all of a sudden they can't be good friends with a girl they are interested in.

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I agree with OP, female friends can be great.

Reason: Female friends will invite you out to parties and group things in which there are other women. And if you're out with a group of people where there are single women who know your friend, it's so much easier to pickup because you already come packaged with a certain level of trust. Also, it's cool if you're with a group because it can be a really fun night going out with a bunch of people you know you like rather than just having it be you and your target.

These days I only go out to pickup by myself once in a blue moon, most of the time I run with various groups of friends I've established and pickup either in those or at parties or gatherings they go to.

I'd say don't think of EVERY interaction with a woman as a pickup situation. If you're a social person, just seek to make lots of friends among women and crack into new social networks in your locality. Because therein lies a lot fluffy-tailed arses.

Yeah, they treat the stuff like a bunch of Mortal Kombat combos or something that you have to use. I think guys who go out and pickup enough though find out the value in just being intuitive about it. I think most PUAs when the cameras aren't rolling just do whatever comes naturally too, they just exercise their methods in front of the camera in a more robotic way because that's what they need to show for you to buy their shit.

And yeah I agree you can still be friends with a girl for a while and then change that relationship.

You can even be *gasp* friends with a woman and not have sex with her at all. There some chicks that you're just going to be better off friends with or, just not have good chemistry with, or you know she's a fucking nutjob in relationships. And that's okay.

you are confusing the point, the point is not to use a female friend as a pivot, the female friend is the target, and in most cases onitis...

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being in the friendzone with a girl isnt bad at all, infact it creates alot of opportunity for you to network, learn, and meet more people. It is bad if you have a onitis like skills mentioned but if you are truely just ok with being friend , then by all means do it. I've learn that in my younger years its all about trying to get laid on the first or second day( thats what i pressume most of you guys are on here for) and as I have grown and mature that has simmer down a little as i learn and progress throught. Having a truly monogamous relationship with the opposite sex is 99% fail. so saying that she wont have sex with you down the line is not always true.

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i hate the friend zone

I need to interject one important distinction that seems to be being ignored.

Like many things in Gaming what is true for the PUA is not true for the AFC.

The PUA can work the friend zone dynamic and coming from an abundance perspective he is not going to get emotionally out of control when it happens, rather he will take advantage of it. I think you all have covered this half of it.

However

The AFC cant emotionally handle the friend zone well, or leverage it into ancillary pussy. It will end up most likely being an emotional torture chamber and in almost all cases the AFC is better off nexting a girl who throws him in the FZ rather then trying to poorly game his way out of it.

The FZ is usually a result of good rapport/comfort but lack of attraction most likely due to lower perceived social value then the target. Again, the PUA can often dig into his arsenal for the tools needed to raise the attraction and free himself of the FZ, The AFC wont have access to these tools and being "cool" with the FZ becomes a masochistic exercise in futility..

The whole problem with your point, is that is kind of fictional, guys that know what they are doing, do not fall in the friendzone... Unless is their choice, guys that get friendzone are dudes that for the most part do not know what they are doing. For example i am the one to friendzone women(after i do them of course)... All of my answer in the married pua post are based on private pm/chat from newbies, they all have on thing in common ONITIS...

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that's a good point 360 and I wasn't disagreeing with your initial reply. Whenever I answer a friendzone question it usually involved instilling a jealousy plotline with limited engagement, or a nexting if the afc was too attached.