Part 2 – Pre-Seduction

Part 2 – Pre-Seduction
Screening and Being Efficient

Screening and Being Efficient

The biggest way to make your job simple and easy is to screen for receptive women. Sure, its possible to approach a women without first screening for receptiveness and get her aroused and wanting to have sex with you but in a nightgame type venue there will be many women who are receptive towards you so why waste more energy than you have too?

Screening for these women is super easy and once you get good at it you will find yourself doing it naturally, without thinking about it. So, what do you look for when you want an easy lay?

Eye contact. Eye contact is so majorly important that it cant possibly be overstated. Eye contact is the biggest indicator of women who are interested in you. If you meet eyes with a chick, hold it longer than most people would have and look at her in a sexual way. If she holds longer than most women normally would, its extremely safe to assume that she is interested and wants you to go meet her.

Another form of eye contact is when she keeps glancing over at you. Women are submissive by nature and are naturally shy because of it. This makes it likely that she wont hold direct eye contact for very long and sometimes not at all. However, if a woman has noticed you and you spark her interest she will throw glances at you every so often. The tricky part to catching them doing this. Women are sly and are very good at checking us out when we arn't paying attention. Most women are so good at this that most men get a lot more signs of interest from women on a daily basis then they ever realize.

If you believe a women is throwing glances towards you there are a few great ways to catch her.

- Look at her from the corner of your eyes. She will think your looking some place else and will safe to check you out.

- Reflections in a window or other reflective surfaces. A great way to catch a woman checking you out is to pretend to be looking through a window or in a mirror. You can then look at the reflection of her and catch her checking you out.

- Above all else, if you think a chick is cute, approach her. Maybe she was checking you out, maybe she wasn't. Who cares? If you find her attractive, go meet her.

Seducing women who either gave you solid eye contact or women who you have caught glancing towards you will be some of the easiest lays you will ever get.

Another highly important part of screening is to screen for Down To Fuck (DTF) women. DTF women are women who go out to get laid. These women make for very simple seductions and easy lays because they make it easy for you. They are after the same thing you are!

DTF women usually fall into a few basic categories

- Lone Wolfs. If you find a desirable women who is out alone, its extremly safe to assume she is wanting some quick dick.

- Women that show more skin than most of the other women around.

- Women who don't look like they club a lot.

- The older women in the room. This is highly subjective and depends greatly on the venue. In a room full of 21 year olds, a 28+ woman would be considered the older woman.

- Women who's eyes keep wondering around.

- Women who are still in the club at closing time.

- Dancing very sexy like on her own or with a female friend.

- Being loud, taking up space, or anything else that she does that draws attention to herself. A woman who's wanting dick wants men to notice her.

In addition to being on the lookout for women in the above categories its also important to be aware when a woman is giving you an approach invitation. An approach invitation (AI) is when a woman sends of subitle hints that she wants you to approach her.

These hints include

- Women who give you prolonged eye contact.

- Women who keeps glancing at you.

- Women are are giving you proximity. Women who want to meet you will often times come and stand in your general area hoping to catch your attention.

- Open body language. Women who are interested in you will often times display open body language such as her body facing towards you.

- Displaying overexertion's. This is anything a woman does to get you to notice her. Often this means coming into your line of sight multiple times. Fixing her hair and clothing when your looking at her, being loud, ect...

Usually any women who wants to meet you will display a combination of the above hints.

Notice: Don't use this as an excuse to not approach. If you don't find any cute woman giving you any AI's then simply pick a woman who you find desirable and go approach her. Just because a woman hasn't giving you any AI's doesn't mean she wont like you it just means she didn't happen to yet notice you in the sea of men.

Another extremely effective but often sneaky way of spotting woman who are easy lays is to look for a woman who has a high buying temperature (BT). BT is simply a fancy term for hornyness. The higher the BT, the more horny the woman is. Usually when you see a woman whos BT is high she is talking to a guy. She may be surrounded by a group but if you pay close enough attention you will notice she is mostly fixated on one particular guy.

Most newbies just assume that when a woman in a nightime venue is talking with a guy, she must know him. It comes as a shock to them when they learn that usually she doesn't really know him at all. He isn't usually her friend, certainly not her boy friend, but most of the time he is just a random guy she met in the club.

When you spot a woman who has a high BT it can be pretty effective to approach her and blow out the guy. The random guy will loose all hope and walk away leaving you with a horny girl. Whether she was horny before she got to the club or the guy did all the work and turned her on doesn't matter, all that matters is that you now have a horny chick in front of you.

There are a ton of ways to blow a guy out but the simplest and easiest way is as follows:

1) Approach her
2) Ignore the guy
3) Lead the conversation. Whenever the guy starts to talk just redirect the conversation back to where you want it to go
4) Escalate with the girl

Eventually the guy will get bored or loose all hope of getting anywhere with her and he will leave you both alone.

Part 3 is going to be a big one. Its going to cover the actual seduction and show you how to lead a woman back to the bedroom. Look for sometime tomorrow.

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The 'screening' is a bit in-head. By the time you have figured out which girls are 'dtf' you would have had enough time to have done loads of approaches.

You're also limiting yourself to girls, just because a girl isn't dressed a certain way or w/e doesn't mean she isn't looking for a guy.

Remember you only really need one set to go well for the night (not that I'm anywhere this good) but screening is best done AFTER the approach.

Don't say this is for advanced people or w/e because the more advanced people tend to be even quicker at getting the ball rolling rather than all this observation and deduction (switching on your logical brain not emotional one) which we all know is weak.

99/100 you will be wrong on a pre-conception you make about someone.

It takes about one second to look over and notice a chick wearing very little clothing dancing by herself. It also takes like one second to notice a woman giving you strong eye contact. It takes one second to notice that the chick who just walked in front of you stopped for a split second and fixed her hair in front of you. Ect...

Also, most women who are looking for a guy are dressed in a certain way. Sure, there are exceptions but if a person wants success they should focus on the rule and not the exception.


It takes no time at all to notice these things and it doesn't take a whole lot of practice to get good at spotting them. In the beginning a guy may read a lot of signals wrong but it doesn't matter. Even if he thinks a hottie is sending him an approach invite and she snot but he approaches her anyways, its not a big deal. The more he does it the better he will get at reading siganls and the more efficient he will become.

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actually pre-screening helps tons... the 99/100 is totally wrong, the longer you do this the easier it becomes and it may be 90/100 you will be right...Is not really all about dtf, it helps with minimal effort in advances kind of a warm/hot approach...

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Well AI's are different but that doesn't happen much in the club unless you have good looks or height. And is the epitome of reactionary. They are little highlights and gifts during your night.

And I don't know where you get this "Girls who show more skin/wear less clothing thing from", I mean unless you're on about sketty dressed girls its pretty irrelevant to how much a girl is dtf.

It comes down to how the girl perceives herself, what she has to wear that night, what she wore the night before, does she get hot in the club? Is she already meeting a guy that night and dressing sexy for HIM. Does she just like the attention it brings? maybe she thinks she's got a great stomach or w/e and like showing it off.

I'm not saying it can never be a sign; I have a friend who doesn't wear low cut tops because she doesn't like to show herself off and rarely gets with guys (let alone ons or anything) BUT we could contrast this with a girl in my flat who always has her boobs pretty much hanging out, flirts with every guy YET never puts out unless she's in a relationship.

Which again could be contrasted with another girl I know who dresses in the shortest dresses imaginable, boobs out, tight dress. Even when she goes out with her BF, so obviously not LOOKING for someone. She is a really hot girl who is obviously flaunting what she has and is also a giant dick tease too.

Anyway, I could go on for hours about this and point out its floors. Another is what if its freezing outside but really hot in the club, does she dress for the club or for the cold weather this night?

Other than that you've got AI's you've listed? They don't come often enough in the club unless you're already A) tall/good looking B)dressed well C) are social proofed (which i think is gay to use) and therefore have been opening, speaking, interacting with people anyway.

Also the window tactic? Really? All this effort to see if a girl might be looking in your direction?

I wouldn't be so critical if your posts weren't so egocentric

EDIT: aimed at WM

Ok, I get it. I too have had multiple situations where girls have been interested and i know. But my journey, and i guess, the journey of any PUA is to be able to get the girl of his choosing. Anyone.

I believe that knowing who will be receptive is a good idea, I'm definitely going to be using this strategy as I'm now beginning. But eventually, i want to be able to go up to the bitchiest and coldest HB and melt all of that, simply have her in a state where she can enjoy herself with me.

So being efficient is good for the easy work, but to grow there must be challenge. In my opinion also, the truly quality girls don't go around half naked, grinding on everyone and making a show of herself. This strategy seems to be placing too much power on the side of the women, what if no-one watches your way? As PUA's we need to be able to make our own opportunities.

So on one side I agree with you, but on the other hand I agree with Cornishman , it's limiting if you are looking only for certain stuff.

That's playing it safe, PU is all about the risk.

Trust me, I'm working on overcoming the most inundating approach anxiety in the history of Pick up right now. I know all about playing it safe.

Just my 2 cents.

Disclaimer
I am new and in no way seek to bring you down. Just giving my opinion on the matter. If you feel the need to troll me, remember, you're gaming where I'm aspiring to. If i offend, it's not my intention.

Unless your pretty darn ugly then your getting AIs from women your just not noticing all of them. Also, its not hard to improve your looks to the point where you do get a bunch of AIs. Also, be having fun ans you will get them as well. There is no excuse really for not getting them.
I get it from my experiance. If it doesn't jive with your experiance thats fine but it does with mine. Typically, not always, but typically when I approach a woman who is showing more skin than most other women around, she is way more DTF.
Bingo. You just said yourself how you can get more AIs. Dressing better is a easy way to improve your looks dramatically. Dress better, get more AIs, and make life easier on yourself.

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You're falling into the same trap I fell into when i first started... yoou care more about having "game" than you do about fucking hot women.
This is a perfect example of you wanting game more than women. The only reason you want to be able to do this is validation. You want to feel cool, feel like an awesome ladies man. I know, I've been there. The truth is, why waste time with a bitchy chick when on any given night there are many, many women who are just as hot but not bitchy. I don't care about "game" i care about women. I'm not going to spend time on some bitchy chick when right around the corner will be some really cool chick who is just as hot.
Madona/Whore complex ^. Quality women have the right to show off their bodies and feel sexy too... and they do. They especially do when their bodies are screaming at them to reproduce. Every women has a few days out of the month their bodies scream at them to get some dick. If she sexually available during thsi time of the month she will often get dressed all sexy and go to the clubs.
As I've said in the original post, if your not getting AIs then just go approach anyways.
This^ is another example of you wanting "game" and not women. Its not playing "safe" its being efficient. We can both go out, you approach all the super hard chicks in large groups who are closed off from meeting other people, who are in a bitchy mood, ect. You can exercise all your "game skills" on these hard sets and get no where. Meanwhile I'm going to be approaching equally attractive women who are by themselves or dancing in a way to get male attention, who are giving me eye contact, ect...

Which one of is getting laid that night? I made it easy on myself by being efficient. Do the same.

I wish you well my friend. However, make it a goal to get women..... not game.

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Thank you for your response and advice. I appreciate it a lot.

I understand your point. And agree with the efficiency in gaming theory.

Why take the hard route to reach the same place?

But, just one thing is bothering me, I know that in terms of motivation etc. thinking of the girl is superior. But many say that it's the game you must improve with the women as a result of focusing on game. I fear that I'll find a girl, women and feel content with that and not push myself.

I am where I am because of this. I'm recovering from oneitis. If my mental state had been that i need to grow my game all the time, i'd be in a better situation to debate with you, but i'm just a RAFC.

I guess it is about getting to pick the low hanging fruit while still knowing how to climb the tree. But the million dollar question is;

If there are a lot of low hanging fruits, should i learn to climb the tree, and even more puzzling, will i ever need to?

Don't think of it as low hanging fruit, think of it as ripe fruit. If you go to an apple tree to pick some apples, which ones are you going to pick? The ripe ones.

I think what you fear is that by focusing on "the ripe ones" you wont improve your social skills and such. If thats the case then you need not worry because you will. You will still improve your social skills, charm, confidence, and everything else by hitting on women who display interest in you via approach invites and DTF (down to fuck) women.

Focusing on these women exclusively at first is actually the quickest way to learn. Focusing only on these "ripe" women will allow you to rack up more lays faster which will give you more sexual experience faster as well.

Doing so will possibly make you improve a shit ton faster than most new guys who just indiscriminately approach every girl. So yes, if you really want to improve as fast as you can focus on getting as much experience as you can and you can do this by screening for "ripe" women.

Then, once you have some experience under your belt, you can really start pushing the envelope even more by approaching the very hard sets like the one you mentioned before.

Let me know if I need to explain something more clear. I'm not always the best with putting my thoughts into words.

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Great you didn't prove anything you simply reiterated your point.

I'd take your posts seriously if I believed you went out. Hit me up, ill come visit you and we'll go pick up some girls

here dude, very similar, i do agree though that showing a lot of skin is very deceiving, some girls become more shield when exposing too much, also some girls feel more comfortable when the date or bf present...:

how-to-spot-dtf-women-vt133591.html?highlight=dtf

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The 'get women, not game' line really resonated with me.

I have definitely been stuck in this frame e.g. trying loads of crazy things, the hardest sets, breaking social conventions etc. i wanted the experiences of the learning and validation of knowing i could pull off flashy sets. I often find myself leaving good sets after i pulled off some cool stuff so i can 'push it more that night', after im like wtf man, what am i doing!? (also a bit of running away from later rejection here).

More focus on actually having sex with girls rather than building and practicing a cool skill set, is needed.

Yeah I agree with Warped, it's good to screen and his tips are spot on.

I mean why the hell wouldn't you screen? Unless you like extra work.

The only thing I have to add is that if you can do some clever peacocking (dance with a hot girl successfully or something) that gets women to notice you, it's good to re-screen because you may have new warm leads.

I like going to punk & metal shows a lot (because I like punk/metal girls) and I ALWAYS notice that after I jump in a mosh pit and go crazy, I've got new girls doing the things that Warped says.

This is an excellent post W/M.

I'd also like to add a tidbit of info that most of you may not be aware of. Women have a much larger peripheral field of vision then men do. This is a scientific fact. Women have approximately 180 degree's of peripheral vision compared to men's 110 degrees. This means women can observe much more then men without even appearing to be looking. Keep this in mind, once you have become a part of a woman's radar, she can be totally watching you without even appearing to be looking your way at all.

Knowing this, I will often use this tactic:

Once I am aware of being in a woman's radar, I will strategically move ever so slightly out of their radar while observing them. If they gesture towards me or the direction that I have moved to or re-adjust to fit me back within their peripheral, it is usually a great indicator of her interest. Do this a couple of times, if the signs continue. You can move in with confidence.

This is also why it is important to be aware of your surroundings and be careful not to sarge too many woman within the same general vicinity. Women that have interest in you will always be watching. If you have successfully secured digits or set up another encounter with a woman and wish to work on others. It is wise to either move to the other end of a club, or change venues all together.

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