Hey guys. Some of you may know me, I am the 15-year-old guy who probably understands social dynamics better than most of you. I have helped some people and made some (hopefully ) influential posts. I know NLP very well and have used it to develop the character I have always wanted. But I don't want to brag, people here were always my support and have helped me a lot as well.

Anyways, my posts here will be directed on High School gaming; because it is very different from post-HS game. Every time I realize something new I'll post it here (and it happens all the time past year-or-two).

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You don't know the future, you can't change the past. The only thing that matters is THE CURRENT MOMENT.

First of all, some guidelines: WHAT TO TALK ABOUT

I don't know how many of you have read PUA books and which ones; I know I did read a lot. And, while some info was pretty useful, a lot of it just didn't work for me and HS sarging. Books I recommend are Double Your Dating (the DYD and Sexual Language).

Then, although Mystery Method is great thing, it more helps to understand social dynamics than actually giving useful method for HS sarging. That is, you have to open, attract, build rapport and close eventually, but routines (actually bad thing, not including The Cube) listed in the book won't work - girls in HS don't (mostly) have enough practical knowledge and experience to make the routines fully work - a lot of times it is "not interesting" "weird" etc.

Girls in HS prefer to whine and laugh at stupid jokes (I mean really, really stupid - go to comedycentral.com and find yourself some one-star rating jokes) than to involve themselves in something interesting. Why? Because they don't know what to expect, everything is new to them. They haven't heard the same lines all over again (NOTE: that doesn't mean that these cheesy lines will work), they don't have enough experience. This is very painful for me, because I actually have to "lover myself to their level." No matter how stupid it may sound, I am happy when I find out someone who is, "intellectually developed" like myself.

But here is one topic that will always work well; THEY. One thing that never changes with age is human selfishness. Act them how was their day and they will say boring. Ask how is it going on with XXXPERSONXXX or in class, and they will talk for hours.

That gives us another topic to feed of; relationships. In HS, we are in age where feeling like part of something is very important, thus making any relationship gold-important. Girls will talk literally for hours about why someone looked at them bad way (NOTE: the more insecure the girl, the more talking about themselves; for self-secure girls talking about other people will work out just well).

Remember; it is easy to continue the conversation once it was opened. When it closes, simply say something (almost anything) what would you say to a good friend - and conversation (+ rappot!) is there.

And my favorite; every girl will say she is interested in psychology, more or less. Translation: they love to talk about and analyze other ppl. Analyze their (or someone else's) body language, tell them something about people (generalization works well; HS girls sub-consciously want to develop their view of the world) that is true (selfishness and "map is not a territory" works just fine; map is not a territory means that what you see is always different from the way it actually is - google it for more info).

One routine that works always works well is the cube; go to XFMAN's great web-page for more info.


PS: What books are good then? Swinggcat's Real World Seduction and some articles by Gunwitch.

Carpe Diem. See ya in few days. Maybe even tomorrow!

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You don't know the future, you can't change the past. The only thing that matters is THE CURRENT MOMENT.

(this may be a little chaotic)

The most useful belief/frame/way of viewing the world:


YOU DESERVE BETTER GIRL THAN SHE IS.

(but you let anyone try, to find out how good they really are)

Keep this one up and it will do anything. Gives you confidence, relaxed state, playfulness, anything. It means that YOU are the prize. That she is getting the better end of a deal. You will stop viewing women as goddess's.

Don't be afraid to tell her what you like and don't like about her; I know that so many times the person will simply want to hear -honestly!- what they are like. (PPL are selfish)

Also, you don't need anyone's approval. Why? Well, what does make you think that they know things better than you do? Lets face it, how many times you didn't do something you wanted to but was afraid that someone may object? Many times. And how many times you dared to do it - and there was no consequences? Many times, right? So stop worrying about what dad, mom, girl, friends might say; because they won't say anything more times than object. And even if they do, and have some good reason for it, you will apologize and straighten up what you did wrong. And next time you will know. But you can never know for sure what will they say; sometimes people object simply because they are in bad mood.

Everything in life is not against you, but works for you; helps you make a better person (with better life) of yourself.

So fuck it what people think of you. It doesn't matter. After all, what one loves other hates. And vice versa.
But don't be afraid to object when something is hurting you or makes you feel bad; it is (most of the times) NOT an attack on yourself. And normal people won't bite your head off if you complain (if they do, than they are seriously fucked up and should get a shrink, so they are no good for you anyways - you deserve better).


And last thing, for us high-schoolers; meet a lot of people. Particularly those who also like to socialize too. Be a regular in a café (here in Croatia, every coffee bar has its regulars; become one and you will soon know everyone in town). Just don't be afraid of people. They won't bite your head off. And if they do (and from time to time someone will probably try) you know enough people to protect yourself. Meet your friends friends; and their friends, and so on. In school, there is no better feeling than walking into hall at anytime and having to choose who will you talk to this time. Jump from group to group; and girls will notice it.

And in HS, everything is about social status.

Just remember; treat anyone as equal; they are people too and deserve respect. But if they aren't good enough for you (in what qualities you are looking for) don't force yourself to hang out with them. They will be your acquaintances, not close friends. But they are people, so treat them alike. No matter of their skin color, language, money-status (rich and mature people don't shun (or pity) poor ones anyway) and/or sex (unless you are picking up a girl, then some making fun of her - in friendly way!!! - will work like a charm).

AND LAST THING; Don't be afraid of talking to strangers. Few times look in an eye, then few "hi" 's will work wonders. Soon you will be taking her for a coffee. And if you meet in town without prior planing; voilá! no problem opening, because the ice has been already broken
Remember, even the "How are you" in passing will do wonders for friendship - and even something more. Talk to people you know, maybe even for few seconds only.


I am empty of ideas (happens rarely). So good night, and remember:

Carpe Diem - Use your day.

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I don't know if you want us to ask questions here but I'll go ahead.

How should I deal with parents always interfering with my dating life and social life. Pretty much any girl I bring home won't be good enough for them(This might not be true I just know because they are constantly judging other people they haven't)... and they are Christian so the idea of me going out and hooking up with chicks and F***ing them will get them pissed off. Also, Parties are out of the question unless I deliberately lie to them and say I'm going somewhere else. Parties are a great way to meet chicks because (now I drop the bomb) I go to an All-Boys High School, one of the worst decisions in my life. Thankfully I'm a senior and only need to go through the rest of the year before I make it to college.

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-The Dude Abides-

Ask questions freely.

To Sgt. Slice:

If there is anything that parents really try to do it is to protect their children. BUT sometimes (and this is your case probably) they are overprotective. I'd go to them (if I was you) and explain them, calmly and in un-needy way that I want to start my social life, dating, etc. Ask them to let you to parties, and if they won't agree, accept it but get kinda depressed behaving. Remember, point here is that they should know that you are mature enough (so you won't do anything stupid, like getting drunk as hell) and that it seriously hurts you if you can't go out.

For parties; in first one, stay out until 22 or 23 hours (even less if your parents have problem with that) and slowly raise up the limit (for the third party say that someone has birthday or something like that and they will probably let you out a little longer). Promise to them that you will not drink alcohol, won't smoke (obviously doesn't work if you are smoker already) and won't do any drugs, won't get raped or whatever it may be that scares them. Be ready for their needy and stupid behavior. It won't hurt.


As for girls, don't bring them home. Especially in a Christian home, because your parents will already see her as a potential bride; so of course that she isn't good enough for them if she gets to take away their young son from them. Go out, say to your folks anything you want, but I recommend being honest, and if they won't let you let them know that it hurts you and it is not OK and normal. I only repeat, don't bring her home.
If you want to fuck, find someplace safe (and indoors ) and slowly escalate.

If you need anything else, just ask. You other guys out there too.

Carpe Diem.

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You don't know the future, you can't change the past. The only thing that matters is THE CURRENT MOMENT.

Wow, fantastic thread man. I have one quick question though, there is this one HB whose relationship with her boyfriend is nearing the end. What would be some BF-Destroyers to help speed this up? I searched the threads for them but I didn't really find much. And yes, I'm also in HS.

Thanks

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If you wait to do everything until you're sure it's right, you'll probably never do much of anything.

Spend time with her. Don't shit about her BF; don't talk bad about him. Instead, use "future projections" - make her think what great times will you two spend together (you know, enjoying a bike ride, playing pool, going to amusement park or whatever you people do in your town to have the best time). And then, to push it out, bust her balls about how it is *not* going to happen, because she is still with that guy. I recommend XFMAN's site, he surely has some badass BF destroyers there.

Also, give her time. If she wants to end with her boyfriend, she will eventually do it. Question is when; if after two-three weeks she is still with him, this was probably just a "phase" and she is not going to really quit. So then start chasing other girls. Which you should do now, actually. Because a HB who is ending a relationship with her BF is pretty unsure thing. Maybe SHE wants to keep her options open, so even if her BF dumps her, she would have someone to come to. So beware, girls can be bitches too.

Hope this helps,

Carpe Diem

PS: Tnx for the praising, I thought that something like this was just what forum needed.

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Just wanted to say- great thread, it is about time we have something solely for High School. I just wanted to add something, let me know what you think.

In high school, everyone knows that social proof is everything. And by social proof, I mean popularity. I just stumbled upon something that may seem obvious to a lot of people, but was a major breakthrough for me (theoretical-wise). I have been doing this for a while, but I never realized the method behind it, and now I am going to share with you guys a method to gain access to more popularity.

In all of your classes, there will be most likely a few popular kids (even if you're in the advanced AP and honors classes like me) and to exponentially increase your social circle in HS, just befriend one of them. Only one (although more would be better, obviously), but it is easier to start with one. Eventually you will end up sitting next to one of the cooler kids, or be partnered up or whatever, and just become friends with them. I know, this is easier said than done, and here are some tips to do this.

First, be funny. Make jokes in class, and make sure everyone hears you. It helps if you have some close friends that will laugh at you regardless of how funny it is, because laughter is contagious (sometimes I find myself laughing at the stupidest shit just because other people are laughing too). This way you get noticed.
Second, when you do come across them, they will already know you and you can befriend them. Ask them questions about themselves (people in HS are shallow, like Paetar said. Sad, but true) and they will become more involved in the conversation. Make jokes and references to popular movies that they will probably see (right now, Superbad and Borat are heavily quoted).

After becoming acquaintances, and this is the most important part, talk to them in the halls. Ask them neutral questions like, "Hey what's up, so and so, do you know what the physics homework is?" Approach them when they are in bigger groups, surrounded by cooler kids, and ask him to introduce you. He already thinks you're cool, and can vouch for you. Then you can talk to the people in the halls that he introduced you to.

It worked for me, but then again, every person and situation is different. This is just an idea that you may find obvious, but it was something that hit me this year (took me until senior year) and helped me rebuild my destroyed social circle. Of course, you do have to be somewhat cool. You cannot be a complete nerd, or at least come off as one. Remember, first impressions are crucial in HS. Dress nicely, get a good haircut, get a tan and brush your teeth. Speak up in class if you are shy, answer questions and you will begin to stand out.

Just want to add something quickly about first impressions. There are people I thought were complete social rejects (I know its judgmental, but everyone is guilty of it) that suddenly talked to cooler kids during passing periods, and my perception changed of them. I now saw them as cooler, just for being seen with cooler kids. Why can't this work for you? Give it a try, what's to lose? I bet if you look back on your HS experience like I am right now as a senior, you will wish you made more friends, went to more parties and dances, and took more chances. This is a big motivator for my AA, and you can use it too. When you come across a chance to strike up a conversation with someone popular, no matter how nervous you may be, just do it.

Great post Suma. I think I have did the same thing, actually, now when it comes to think of it. One addition I'd say; People are easier to talk alone.

For instance, when you go on something involving only group of people from school (like some little trip or contest of some way or anything else), it will be much easier to befriend the cool people. Chances are that their usual "cool group" won't be there or only some of them will. That is the great time to move in, befriend them or simply do something for them to notice you and start talking to you. Because this "social barrier" will prevent you from spontaneously talk to them in school.

And here is my tip (or realization or whatever); OLDER GIRLS.

Go for them. Or even better, let them go for you. Thing is, younger girls want AGE and POPULARITY. Older (more experienced maybe) girls want a GOOD PERSONALITY and SKILLS. So, while with shitload of friends and twenty years you can make girls from first or second grade of HS come just by looking at them, at younger age it is much easier to get older girls. Just get some good clothes, cologne, be social and involve in something interesting (school choir is great, girl to guy ratio is 10:1). I recommend learn some instrument (guitar is pure gold), learn it well and then use it to get yourself a good name. And watch girls fall for you.

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You don't know the future, you can't change the past. The only thing that matters is THE CURRENT MOMENT.

I was wondering if you've ever opened sets in the halls and if so, what were the general reactions- in terms of was it easy to open.

so i really haven't posted much on the forums because, like you said, HS gaming is totally different than post-HS gaming. However, I graduate in about a week, which is also why i'm back on the forums, brushing up for college starting January 14 .

My HS game is solid, and I'm also willing to help out with kids who are looking for advice on gaming in HS. I also think that a high school section to the forum would help out a lot.

Anywho, my not so breif as I wish it was analasys on HS game.

HS girls DO want the same thing as older women.

However, for our purpouses, we will say they DO NOT want the same thing.

We will also assume that Underclasswomen and Upperclasswomen do not want the same things, although they actually do.

An Alpha male is what all women want.

However, Alpha has many definitions, 3 of which we are concerned with.

The first definition is for older women. This is the standard definition of an alpha male. We won't go into detail, theres plenty on that.

The second is for Upperclasswomen. This pertains mostly to seniors, and the more mature juniors. These girls are looking for excitement, and for something fun to keep them busy until they graduate. READ AS: THEY DON'T WANT A LTR. This is golden. Many girls don't want to be alone, but they don't want to feel tied down when they go to college. It's great to be a senior An Alpha male to an upperclasswoman is kind of like a scaled down alpha male for an older woman. However, there are 2 key points to this. The first is SCALED DOWN. For example, negs must be completely scarcastic. If they don't think you're joking, they'll think your an ass. HS girls already have a low self esteem, no matter how hott they are. You don't need to help that out. (wow that was long. This is more of my area of expertise, if you couldn't tell :-p)

The third now is Underclasswomen. This is for Freshmen, sophmores, and some juniors. These girls have been filled with stories about love since birth, and they expect to find it in the first guy they date. My advice is stay away for the most part. These girls will not settle for anything except a LTR, or an attempt at one. Drama is their sex. If you insist on being alpha to these girls, you must be popular. Popular is alpha.

Now, I kinda lost my train of thought (good god thats a long post). Trying to do too many things at once. So I'll end with this one last statement.

HS girls are not going to have sex like older women will. Now I'm not saying that you can't have sex in high school, but you most likely won't be having one night stands.

Anywho, those are my thoughts, and I'm open to insight from others. And I still think a HS forum section would be of great benifit.

Hey i am new to the whole PUA group...i hapened to find out about it when i was with my freinds in a bookstore and say the book The Game. i havent read it yet but i am palnning to.

i am fine talking to girls after you get into the conversation, my problem is starting a conversation. I am a Soph in HS and there is a HB that is a freshman that i see every morning and through out the day, and she always looks at me but i never have anything to say. what should i say to get a conversation going?

I'm a senior this year and I really must say that you still find the "your my first boyfriend." I attract them like a friggin magnet. (advice on this would be nice, but not my topic) and your right, they do want LTR's but when is that really a bad thing?

I guess that really depends on why your in the game. If your in the game to find that LTR that means wedding bells, but you've got standards and get oneitis a lot, LTR practice isn't bad.

I don't think that a LTR is a bad thing, and I'm sorry if I came off that way. However, I personally believe that in HS, especially the last year or two, most kids should start looking for something else. I personally am in the game for a LTR, but I also realized a couple things in the middle of my junior year. First off was that most HS relationships are not going to work out in the long run, and that at the end of high school, the odds of a relationship staying intact through college were very minimal. The second part may not effect others as much as myself.

For example, 70% of graduating kids at my high school go to the local community college. 20% go to University of Illinois. The last 10% go elsewhwere, with 5% going out of state, and only 2-3% going to Tier One or Ivy League colleges. With a graduating class of 200, that means about 5. I realized I was one of those 5, and the other 5 are what you'd classify as one of "Those Kids." So for me, a relationship in college that started in HS was most unlikely. This may not be true for all though.

High School is about having fun, learning, and finding out what you really want. Hormonal levels are at an all time high, so love is easily confused with sex (this is not always true, but exceptions are rare). Once you realize this, then you can begin to take advantage of it, and become a great HS-PUA.


Oh, and about the "You're my first boyfriend" thing. I'm not sure if you find them, or they find you, but here's my opinion from what i gathered.

Girls who don't have a problem finding boyfriends won't approach you. They don't need to, as they don't have a problem with it. So if you're being approached, I'd generally be weary. You need to seek out the girls who you're interested in, because odds are, they will be waiting, not looking.

Lucid, you are so right. Actually, this fits right into my (our?) perspective. Now that I know it consciously, I can take advantage of it .

Anyways, yeah, it is true. Actually, my problem is MY CLASS. They are disrespectful. Here in this town I live, there are mainly two large groups of people; Hillbillies and Rockers. You see, the damn hillbillies are stupid and childish, act very bad (picking fights, everything is as seen on TV to them) They are also poor, with parents who are still fucked up by the war, hillbillies are nationalistic, aggressive and silly. Sadly, most of people here are like this.
Then here are the Rockers, the Intelectuals (I am here of course ). We are mostly from Gymnasium (sth like true/neutral high school, while other schools are focused on one job - you finish it and can go work). We are the upcoming elite of a society (at least those of us who make it big ). And we try to act like it; being normal, sympathetic, but also very strong and confident in ourselves.

Problem is, most of my class are more like hillbillies (mostly from local villages). And we don't get along. Plus, there is this girl in class (only child of her parents) who is still picking word-fights. You know that type, argues with anyone, anything must be her way, etc. And she is CONSTANTLY getting on me; for anything. Simply because I am not asking questions in class and giving my (a lot of time controversial) opinions, she is making fun of me. And sometimes I just break. I mean, I hate bullying (I was bullied in elementary school in my class) and that is precisely what is she trying to do. Anything I say, she knows better. With anyone I speak, she gets into our conversation and starts shitting about how I am not right. No wonder it is getting on my nerves. And usually the class is indifferent about that (except for her two (and only!) friends who then start picking on me too).

So guys, does anyone know some (any) way to stop it? PLEASE?!?!

Carpe Diem and help me plz.


AND: I know all the shitty theory but it isn't helping me. Just post anything that may help.

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You don't know the future, you can't change the past. The only thing that matters is THE CURRENT MOMENT.