Before anything else, I've tried your what fucks like a tiger and winks in-field one time and it worked. I think my delivery is not yet good enough so I'll try it on more women to bait for that hard laugh and eventually that kino from the girl first.

Now, down to my sticking point. My sticking point right now is on how to isolate the girl to bounce her to my place. I'll start with the routines that work well for me and then list those that do not work for me.

What I hope to gain is to know what I'm doing wrong so I can improve more on the routines that don't work for me or maybe polish some more the routines that work for me. It will also be a plus if I learn more routines that consistently work for you that I can test on field.

Isolation Bounce to F-Place Routines that I Use

• 1. "Let's watch some porn." Other variations: "Let's watch the sex tape of your favorite decent actor in my place" or "I know this Japanese girl Maria Ozawa who got banged by around a dozen men and they all came into her at least 3 times each."
  
  This routine fairly works for me on chicks I had sexual innuendos with before I tried learning about PUA. This is my best routine so far. But it only works after sufficient preparatory sexual innuendos and story telling. I have a very high success rate with this. I seldom get turned down.
  
  2. "Let's go."
  
  After coffee at Starbucks, I would tag the arm of the target chick, wave at a taxi, and say this line. This often works but I have to get the chick at a coffee date first and build some emotional connection of some kind. I would say this works 50-50. I haven't really recorded my encounters with this routine but this has a 50-50 feel into it as far as I can remember.
  
  3. "Let's discuss this somewhere more private."
  
  This is a traditional AFC routine. It works some time and fails most of the time. It makes you surrender all of the power that you have although it still does work. Downside is, it kinda leads you to beg mode.
  
  4. "I want to show you my (magazine, book, music, whatever) collection."
  
  The rejection rate with this routine is quite high. But it still works though. And as long as you haven't offended the chick well enough, you can always try other routines on her some other time.
  
  5. "Wow, so you're a good cook... Do you know how to cook (insert recipe here)?"
  
  This one works 50-50 but I haven't tried it that much because so few girls will admit they know how to cook or brag about their skills in the kitchen.
  
  6. "My big cash is at my place. Come let's get it before we go to (insert place here)." Other variations: "I left my wallet at my pad," or "I forgot something. Let's pick it up first. It's really important."
  
  My rejection rate with this routine is also quite high. But it still works a few times. I just can't remember the last time it worked though.

Sticking Point with HB7 Who Push-Pull

What puzzles me a lot is this HB7 that I can always isolate within her comfort areas but can't bounce to other places that are more than 2 kilometers away for the time bridge or right at my place which just takes a 5-minute walk from her place of work. She would say, "I want to see your place." She'll wait for my reaction and say, "Joke."

We would also kino a lot, talk about sex topics a lot, make out a little (it's a very public place so we really can't make out a lot without creating a scandalous situation in a very conservative community) but when it's time for the f-close, I simply can't get her to my place. I've tried all of the routines that I've listed above on her but they don't work.

I think she wants me to commit as her boyfriend but I don't want to. She also seems to be wanting assurances that I'll take care of her in case I get her pregnant. She asks me about the same scenario half a dozen times. It goes something like this, "If you had a baby with a woman that you barely knew and had sex with her and she got pregnant, will you take care of her and her baby?"

I always answer that I'm well versed in birth control and logically explain all of the birth control techniques that I know. I can see a pattern here though with 3 other HBs. So if you have a solution for this that I can field test, I might be able to f-close the other HBs without too much effort from my end.

Sticking Point with HB9 with Cockblocks

While HB7 does not have cock blocks around her which make it easier for me to isolate her, I see a pattern in this HB9 who has a lot of cock blocks around her. I can talk and listen to HB9 for 4 or 10 minutes but when her friends notice that she's having fun with me and doing kino with me a lot, HB5, HB7 or even HB8 would go near us and say, "Hey, I need to get something. Come with me." They take HB9 away from me and they wouldn't come back after more than an hour.

When I noticed that pattern, I freezed this set out and haven't shown myself to this set for several weeks. Other guys around HB9 are fairly easy to throw out but her friends are really a pain. After the freeze out and I started escalating with HB9 again, I got more free time with her but then the pattern starts all over again. So I have basically limited my interaction with this set for 10 minutes per interaction instance at the most. I have also flaked out on all of their birthday party invitations, outing invitations and other invitations. I still go with this set out to breakfast or dinner but only rarely when I feel like it or when I make them beg for it.

I know HB9 wants the f-close too since she have asked me several times if I'm alone at my place at different time periods or if I have any roommates that are nearby. I have already bounced HB9 to my place the last time but a cockblock, HB7, tagged along with her.

I also have a problem with this fat HB5 cockblock who belongs to another set. HB7s and higher in her set have asked me more than a couple of times that if she's the last girl alive, am I willing to get laid with her. This HB5 grabs my butt, kinos me just above my dick, attempts push-pull routines on me, negs me a lot to the point of downright insulting, spread rumors that I'm gay, and cockblocks me every step of the way with five girls already. She also invites herself in when I'm isolating other HBs or tags along without being invited.

Thanks in advance for your help.

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The problem I suspect is you are focusing on routines instead of the specific target at hand. Routines are too general. Focus more on getting into her head, building a connection. Once you establish a sort of connection all of the routines below, will work, but here's the thing, they no longer seem like routines.

Imagine if you would, the roles were reversed. Women were the aggressors and you were the desired man. You could pick and chose what woman you wanted to give your time to, now imagine that you got approached by quite a few women whenever you were out. You would probably develop some sort of radar to identify what women were being genuine with you and what women were just trying to get laid. If you as the target can basically sleep with any woman you want to, you are going to be very selective, especially if your looking for more then just sex. If you heard anything that seemed rehearsed or not authentic, it would probably set off a defensive posture ( ie: this girls just wants to fuck me)

Although there is always horny women out there and some just want to get fucked, the majority of them are seeking more. It's very rare for a woman to go out with the intentions to have a SNL and if do, they can basically pick and chose any man they want, ( the hotter the woman the more selective they are) If they have the intentions to have a one night stand, they will generally be the ones doing the picking up. You must keep the woman's perspective in mind always.

Isolation Bounce to F-Place Routines that I Use
Ironically, all though this one seems the most brash it is in fact the most genuine of the lot and does not come across as veiled. Also it would seem you have built a connection through your story telling and sexual innuendos. ( connection is key)
This one has also has some sort of connection. I hope you are seeing the trend here. The two most successful ones involve a connection.

But it is not as successful because you have not painted a picture of where you are going, and what will happen. Women love a man to take charge, but they must first feel comfortable and safe. In this situation, it would be wise to build off the emotional connection you created and make the " lets go" more inviting. Ie: lets go to my place and watch a cheesy movie, or lets go, I want to show you some pictures of my blah blah blah ( anything that can relate to the convo you had to build the connection in the first place is best suited here)
This has ill effect because of the way it's worded. I would lose this sentence entirely. I'll break it down for you. Let's discuss this: you are both already talking about it/ somewhere more private: why does it have to be in private?< this is what a woman will think and automatically put up an unconscious guard ( the reason it works sometimes is most likely you have already built a connection of some sort and she wants to spend more time with you.
This will work every time, if you have built a strong enough connection.
Challenging is a good thing, if a woman can cook, she will be more then happy to show you., if you keep challenging her. However! I would flip this one over and do the offer of cooking. ( even if you can't cook, you can either try or make an excuse up not to later once you have her at your place, but still feed her)
This one really sucks balls, it reeks in every way, you could change it around and say, that you have to stop at your place, as you forgot something. "IF" she asks what, then you could say you forgot your wallet or I.D. Mention nothing about big cash, and always make it very specific, if it seems too vague, it will come across as suspicious.

The problem with having a "routine" type mindset is that if your routine fails, then what? I understand that you are scientific minded and obtaining and storing data is fun to you but there is many ways to obtain and store data. I'd suggest, only storing positive data. For example, talking to the target after you have f-closed them. Ask then what they liked about your approach, what they liked about you, what made them decide to come home with you, when did they know they were gonna be intimate with you, what did you say or do specifically that intrigued them...etc etc. ( I have made this habit and usually ask these type of questions while we are laying in bed naked, women tend to be 100% honest when naked or just after sex)

All of the above routines can in fact work, anything that is not vulgar or idiotic can work once a connection is established, but it's important to not see them as routine and make them genuine comments.

Here is some examples:

a) Listen, I really enjoy talking with you, I can get a really good sense of your personality. and it's great. I don't want this evening to end. Let's go to my place and have another drink and just relax.

b)Who are you? " target" I am completely intrigued by you. I never thought you'd have such a fascinating personality. I feel completely comfortable with you. Do you feel the same? ( if she reply's yes) Awesome, lets get out of here. Grab her hand and guide her away, if she starts to ask questions or show's a bit of defense, simply re-assure her she is safe. Then keep going.

c) I have an overwhelming desire to kiss and cuddle you.( gauge her reaction, if its positive) say: I am not big on pubic displays of affection, lets go to my place and watch a movie.

d) I've never met a woman like you, you seem to have a very good soul, you are actually becoming more attractive the more I talk to you. That's amazing. I feel completely comfortable with you. ( if she reply's the same) you say: Let's get out of here.

e) Wow! when i first met you, i just saw a pretty face, now I can see you are truly a beautiful person. I am so glad I took the chance to come talk to you. I hear stories from friend about women that are hot on the outside but have no substance. It's refreshing to meet a woman like you. Let's blow this pop stand. We can go somewhere else fun ( as you are taking her out of the current venue, then you could use, the gotta stop at home comment, or just flat out invite her home)

These are just some examples, I hope you get the jist of it. It doesn't really matter what you say to get them to go with you as far as exact invites. As I said before, all those routines can work, but what's important is what you did to build the connection prior to the invites.


Hellhound! I have read lots of your posts, you are a well spoken, funny and witty individual. In all honesty, I see none of it in the routines above. I suggest you lose routines all together and focus on creating a connection with every single target. The deeper the connection the more success you will have. All the rest should fall into place. An invite home should just be an extension of the fun or sexual tension you are already built with her. You want the woman to think " who are you hellhound" as she smiles with intrigue.

In my world, I truly do try to connected to my targets, even if I know in the back of my mind, I am just going to f-close them a couple of times. I still find a way to connect to who they are. If not emotionally, definitely sexually. I may not always be honest in my attempts to connect to them, but you can bet your bottom dollar I will intrigue them enough for them to try to build one with me. It's all about finding out what the woman wants and giving it to her. This may not seem the most virtuous, but who the fuck are we kidding? This is pick up. Not church group.

No truly successful PUA can do it with 100% honesty, and if they say they can, they are full of shit. The fact of the matter is, most women are seeking more then sex. And even the few that are only seeking sex, they still seek a form of connection first. Unless you are clairvoyant or the dali lama, you are never gonna connect 100% percent to every woman. So there is nothing wrong with faking it. The more experience you have in reading women, the easier it becomes to create a perceived connection.




Sticking Point with HB7 Who Push-Pull
Stop the routines, make a genuine comment. like the examples above, but put your own spin on it. Use your wit but make it appear to be a genuine comment from the depths of you.
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Re-assure her, play the game. Give her the impression that she is worth a shot, and that maybe you could be her boyfriend. Then once you f-close a few times, tell her straight up, at first you were into her and thought about dating her but you now realize you are not ready for all of that. Women are classic scatter brains, they change their minds a million times a day. With that in mind, they will understand you changing your mind. Maybe not right away, but they will.
Your reply is too in-sensitive, they are challenging you, to see the type of man you are. By making light of it, or deflecting. It's giving them a specific perception of you. Women are for the most part "right brained" In other words, they lack a certain logic. Cater to their minds, not yours. Give them the re-assurance they seek. Always keep in mind a woman's thought process when replying to any question from them. There is a logical answer and there is the right answer ( the right answer is what they are expecting to hear) Always answer right, pre-sex. After sex, its a whole other ball game.


Sticking Point with HB9 with Cockblocks
When you get the 4-10 minutes with her alone, you must challenge her. Say something like. You know! when your friends are not around, you are somewhat different, you are very intriguing and fun, you show a deeper side of yourself, and I really like it, but then your friends come around and you change. Why is that? It's too bad cuz the person I see in you when we are just talking alone is amazing. You need to spend more alone time with me. Let's set something up, that just you and I. I really want to get into that beautiful mind of yours.

This girl clearly likes you very much, if she is commonly around your social circle, I think it may be in your best interest to confront her. You need to tell her that her interfering is starting to bother you, and that although you are flattered by her, you value her friendship and do not like her in any other way. Be respectable about it, and tell her if she continues to do these things, that you may not be able to see her a friend anymore and you don't want that to happen.

I hope all of this gives you a better insight into what these woman may be thinking. It is very important to understand the frame of mind your target is in. The more you can understand the targets thought process, the better you will be in deciphering the anomaly that is woman.

Interpreting the targets body language is a great way to get into a woman's mind. As I have said many times, the body and unconscious mind never lies.

If you have any more question, or need me to to get more in depth in regards to this response, please feel free to ask. The more specific the better.

Cheers man.

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This is gold sexaddict, ^ those are the right ways to make emotional connections, I saw couple of post in the forum that were talking about this, but they were weak, this is definitely the right way... The one i use when dancing is wowow, you know what i like about you, is that you dance like noone is watching, you are happy, you do not give a fuck what people think,you do not mind sweating, i love your energy, damm, you are too good to be true, stop, playing, is this an act or are you really like this? hb. no this is me...
then i go awesome (and high five them)

dude i am glad you brought this up i definitely add to my post this shit...Sex man i am stealing this...No only do you manage to establish an emotional connection but you do it with an extraction, i have never done it like that(never had the need) but this is good.. this is pure gold dude...

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Need some help in a differant area as well. I was just hanging out with 2 girls. Went on a couple dates with each and then it turns out they know eachother. Well the one girl mad and deleted my #. I live in a smaller city so lots of people know eachother. Just wondering what you do or would do? Should I be honest from the start that I'm hanging out with other girls? Or just hope none of them find out about eachother.

Thanks

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If you really have done all this amazing feats,can you atleast help me and reply to me in PM concerning about my status right now?

Because your experience with women would probe to be of great contribution in regards of my current situation,thanks.

These kinds of insights prove that you're the real deal.

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Hey SexAddict911, i been browsing basically the entire thread and by your knowledge on women,not only do you know how to escalate and win women over, you might also help on something that many guys would want to know on.

Lets say i dont really go out, dont have that many friends, im a college sophomore student with no job but have had GF's in high school. Since HS and real life are different environments, what are your suggestions? theres a girl i like in one of my classes and i over think about it for two reasons:

i feel like i can "win" her over as long as i have verbal game, but i feel concerned that i might lose her interest because of my non-interesting lifestyle? do i need an entertaining lifestyle to keep her entertained or should i focus on verbal game only?

Thanks to anyone who would answer this! its been bugging me for a while now ever since i joined the PUA community...

If you are just hanging out with a girl, there is no need to tell them anything. You don't owe them anything. Women date multiple men all the time, they claim they are just trying to find the right one, well you have that same right. If you get asked by a girl if you are seeing anyone else, then you can tell them, say yes I am talking to a couple of girls, nothing serious ( if you are having sex with that girl, tell her she is the only one you are sleeping with at the moment though) Tell her you are trying to figure out who is right for you. When you find a woman that completely intrigues you and it looks like it can go somewhere then you will make her the only one. Until then, I am gonna keep looking and if i have to talk to a million women at the same time I will. ( everyone is seeking the right one they should understand)

Then flip it on them, say " what! you have never talked to more then one boy at a time? And if not? how has that worked out for you so far?

Don't say anything unless asked about it, then when you are asked about it, admit it but don't make it a big deal, don't make it seem like you are hiding it. Make it as if that is how it should go, even tell them your mother even told you to date multiple women until you find the right one.

Be sure when starting out with any woman to tell them you are not looking for anything serious right now, say " I am open to something happening, but only if it happens naturally" ( if you have given them this type of pre-warning they can't be too upset if they find out you are talking to other girls as you warned them in the beginning)

P.S. If you have to tell the girl, Never tell her the other girls names, especially if you live in a small town. If she presses, just say you are respecting the other girls privacy and if it was the other way around you would do the same for her. Also always try to play it down, make the girl you are talking to about it feel like she is in the lead.

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I never once met someone that could make a woman smile or orgasm with their lifestyle.

Lifestyle is not who you are, it is merely a part of your existence. College students rarely have an exciting lifestyle anyways. ( you're all in the same boat)

It should not be an issue as a student. As far as friends? Again, most college students left their friends back home. It's an entire new beginning for everyone.

You must keep this in mind. Especially when it comes to the " not so social people" A huge majority of college students are very lonely, and are dying to socialize, you would be doing plenty of women a favor by approaching them.

Remember, college is a new beginning, it's not high school anymore, you can re-invent yourself.

If you can have this mindset and actually see yourself as an ambassador for fun, and know that you are doing them a favor by talking to them, things should become a lot easier, and much smoother.

Adapt this mindset, remember that college is very short, this is suppose to be one of the funnest times in your life. MAKE IT FUN!! Be that guy, live it up, no regrets, be bold, be crazy, be fun. Talk to every single girl you find attractive, even talk the ones you don't. Make it fun for everyone, make everyone want to be a part of your world.

Make that one girl, the first one that see's the new you. She may be a very lonely person, Help her out! Don't think of you, think of her, even if she show's no interest, that's fine, you still have so many more woman to help out.

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Thanks SexAddict911 for the tips and sorry for the late reply, but i was wondering if i should take what you said about "many college students are lonely" into consideration. You see, girls are also socially active because its college and sure they seem lonely, but the reputation of the majority of college students is that they party TOO much!!

Also, When a girl says something like "im too busy or i want to finish my career before getting into a relationship". thats BS right there. Women are always looking forward to that romance and naughty stuff, i just need to trigger her emotions. this leads me to what i was asking.

What type of lifestyles do beginners like me who barely leave the house need to develop? let me put it to you like this. Say, i live in a cardboard box and im broke. Is it possible to have an abundance of women in life? banging women is one thing because all you do is meet,raport,fuck, but a relationship requires more effort and dedication to it.
About the girl i talked about in my last post, im physically attracted to her. shes really freaking fine where i say to myself "im not looking for a relationship with her, i just want sex from her". having sex with women requires no intruiging lifestyle, but with relationships, do you need to? i know if i should go out more often, but do what?

Unless you are one sexy mother fucker that reeks of sex appeal, any woman that is having sex with you is most likely interested enough to date you. That being said, it's all the same.

If you want a relationship with a girl, the only thing you need worry about is creating a strong connection to her. Lifestyle has nothing to do with any of that, especially in college.

I suggest, trying for intimacy/sex then working it into a relationship.( not the other way around) Don't be the needy guy, that's the fastest way to turn a woman off.

If you go out more often, just go out and have fun, make friends, flirt with girls, be social. All the rest will fall into place.

I'd personally advise against seeking a relationship in college, most students have the " this is fun time" mentality, You should as well.

Lose the " I want/need a girl friend mentality" if a relationship develops naturally, awesome! If not, that's ok too cuz you are having a blast in the mean time.

Be Bold, have FUN! let the cards fall where they may.

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I don't know if I could deal with 40 women a year. I just don't have the mental bandwith for it considering my professional obligations and travel interests. And I gotta say, sometimes I really prefer NOT to deal with the company of a woman.

So I gotta ask, how do you manage that many in a year? Did it necessitate putting off other things or did it take the place of other things you now wish you'd focused on?

You know 40 women a year is really not that many, once you become efficient with women an seduction it becomes second nature....but it adds up quickly. I often asked myself the questions you are asking. I'd say for the most part it has interfered with my own personal success. I used to try and convince myself otherwise, but looking back now. If I had invested that much time and effort into my personal career I may already be a millionaire. The irony of it all is that a lot of men become success driven just to get women. ( this is what i'd often say to myself when I started doubting my course)

Coming to this forum and helping others has helped me put my years of womanizing into perspective. If I can turn all of my past efforts into some sort of success within this market, then it will not feel like time wasted. In the few months I have been here, I have realized that I can use my many years of experience as a tool to help others. I have been successfully coaching a number of students and am presently developing a web site, to help even more people.

My lifestyle and past careers have had a lot to do with me achieving such a high number, I was a club promoter in my 20's then became a night club owner in my early 30's. But above all of that, I have always been in love with seduction and the art of pick up. I am consumed by it, even to this day.

Most people will go on vacation to get away from their present lifestyle, I enjoy vacations to have fun and seduce exotic women. I guess it all boils down to your personal desires. There has been many times in my life where I have asked myself, was it all worth it. I still have no definitive answer.

Do I have regrets, of course I do, I have no family life, no children, have not found an ultimate connection with my soul mate. It's been almost impossible for me to maintain a monogamous relationship. ( I would lose sexual desire quickly)

The only thing I have been able to remain loyal to is "seduction" herself, she is my soul mate, she is my queen.

All in all, I have still managed to maintain a successful life, I am happy, have a solid career, have lots of friends, and a great out look in life. So with all that being said, I do not regret my course in life. I accept it with open arms.

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