not sure if anyone else stumbles on this, but i have no issues approaching a set of just girls, but when you add more then one guy in the middle, i can no longer think of good openers or how to approach.

any tips would be handy

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I'm not good at that either, I'd say open the guy or guys just in a mates kind of way Chat a bit and listen, get a sense for the groups dynamic, then move onto opening the girl you like.

One tip I've read before is that it is natural to meet new people and if he is stonewalling you, unlikely if you are just being friendly, then there is something wrong with him.

Just move onto the girls anyway. If you are non reactive to his attempts to throw you off and are being friendly with someone else and he tries to interrupt you or block you and you don't lose your confidence and he tries harder and harder he is going to end up looking like a dick.

Thats in my own words so I kind of made a crap pie out of it.

Honestly, never done that before BUT I am super eager to try it this weekend with guys in the group. Advice I have read and seen: if the guy doesn't appear to be touching, holding a girl it means he is generally a nice guy they keep around. Befriend the guy. If the girls find you funny then he will look anti-social if he doesn't laugh along. Just use MM to disarm/win over the group slowly.

solid advice cheers guys,
im going to approach mixed sets this weekend and see if i can learn anything further as i have generally avoided them before.

excuse my newness but what is MM?

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MM is just Mystery's Method. His book is very useful especially for club game and relates exactly to what your saying. I recommend looking it up and taking a read through of the chapters that you would find useful, gives some really good advice. For example, it stresses that at first you are not trying to seduce the girl but merely attract (attract in the sense that she finds you interesting). Never let your target know that you are interested, in fact, throw her negs throughout the discussion, face away from her etc. Then once she draws closer to you you begin to build comfort, demonstrate DHV.

Main objective: Win the group over. Then the girl.

Good luck!!

aweome. ill look that up cheers!

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I used to avoid mixed sets, but now they don't really bother me. If you're looking to seduce beautiful women, you better get used to them being around males.

Opinion opener of some sort I find works best. I don't use opinion openers much with girl sets but I do with mixed sets. Or even a non threatening question, I then get the whole group involved and then begin to isolate.

The best way I find to isolate get in to chat with the target is just to make a statement. The safest way, is just butting in when she speaks. "Wait, where are you from?" "You're quite well spoken to say you're from blah" "That accent...what is it?" This will either go two ways.

"Yes I'm from (random city)" which you can then go in to talking about that city, why she's here, what she thinks of it blah blah

"No, I'm actually from here" then you can go how it makes a change, a girl from here who doesn't sound so common and like the rest. Then maybe say, oh maybe you are like the rest? she'll then probably try and qualify her self and sell her self to you.

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I never used the MM but what I do is simple :

I say hello to everyone and then "I came here because I saw your friend and thought she was beautiful"

As everybody recovers from the surprise, ask the boy(s) "Is she your girlfriend ?"

Then turn back to the girl, game her.

Never ignore the guy, befriend him. Say stuff like " You know it's hard for us boys to go talk to a girl we don't know " and turn to the guy saying "You know what I'm talking about, eh ? "
He's a guy so you obviously share stuffs with him.

Then he may even help you get the girl !

I use that in SPU, and guys are rarely cockblocking me.

Narcisse

I guess everyone has their own ways. But in general you would probably be the 8th guy that night to say she was beautiful. Bitch shield would immediately go up. You have presented nothing to make her attracted to you what so ever, just a mere compliment on her looks. What makes you better then the next guy? Also, how do you proceed into a conversation from that point? The group would just be standing their awkwardly thinking "loser".

Never telegraph to much interest in your target. She WILL get bored and think you are just another AFC. Make them want to get to know YOU.

Not saying that direct openers are bad. I'm just saying during nightgame direct openers may work on drunk/desperate 7/8's but on 8/9/10's who are sober, probably not.

I was talking about SPU. But it also works when it comes to NPU (it's just not too original).
For NPU, if you have an EC don't bother yourself with the perfect opener, if she EC you go DG. It will work.
I compliment her on something very specific, for example last night I was in club, I said "You know what's the first thing I noticed about you ? your shoes" I had noticed she had very high heels.
Compliment something you like about her (hair, way of walking...)

Then if it's NPU, I grab her, go dancing, kiss.
If it's SPU. Just keep qualifying her, making comfort. Fluff is enough.


PLUS if you open a mixed set in DG, you will show some HUGE balls to the girl

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Tixx did you mean during SPU or NPU ? That 'd be helpful

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sorry im still wrapping my head around all the terminolgy, NPU and SPU?

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NPU : Night Pick UP (club, bars)
SPU : Street Pick Up (street)

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It's not what you say it's how you say it.

If you walk up to a gorgeous woman and say "You are so beautiful! I just think you are the most attractive woman here." You are putting her above you, not just with your words but likely your body language.

However, if you walk up and just look over and say "Your beautiful, I just wanted to come over and introduce myself." With confident strong body language where you don't put her above you then you are fine. This also means the compliment is no big deal. You do this a lot and she still needs to define herself for you.

If you think 7/8s are that much different then 9/10s you have a lot to learn about game. They aren't that much different, there are some differences but the minute you build a woman up to great or amazing is the moment where you put her above you, this is obviously a huge psychological mistake. If you treat them all the same your game hits a whole new level, this means that you have the mentality that you are an attractive guy that deserves any women you are around but does she deserve you?

This is my problem with all you MM guys you guys keep your blinders on. Indirect is the least effective way to game women, it requires more time, and it really is a sissy way out(requires no confidence, you act like it). Learn to be you, introduce yourself to them, learn to gain true confidence and go after what you want. It's hard work to learn to be you and an always improving you but it is far more worth it than being someone else or using their material. I am always disappointed when I read through people who have this strong a belief about the MM, it's got to be one of the worst things ever brought to the pick up world. Stealing peoples individuality to have sex with women, just saying.

The nice guy with confidence and correct knowledge does better than any MM guy will ever do. Stop protecting yourself build yourself up to the point where protection isn't a necessity, learn to be an attractive confident you, learn to connect, learn to read the signals, learn to respond properly, and learn to escalate properly, that is all you need in courtship.

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NPU is what i was refering to, i was able to field test this last night and found that approaching a mixed set and asking the opinion of the guys was the best tactic, it got the group talking and naturally the HB wanted attention and chimed in...

this is where i became unstuck as i couldnt figure out how to seperate her and went for the number close while she was in the group.

it worked and i got the number, but what are some methords of seperating her?

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